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10 years 2 days ago - 10 years 2 days ago #120139 by angelcake
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Hi there,
I'm looking for some advice please on my IB to ESA transfer.
My deadline is on Thurs, my condition varies anyway through the week bad most of time but since receiving the form I've had a particularly bad month, in particular extreme fatigue.
However, I've started the form over the Easter weekend and realised how much work is needed to give a detailed account as I would like to do this as advised that this could help with not needing a medical.
Obviously, I don't want to miss the deadline and I would like to know if what I'm doing is ok?
So I was going to post it wed (day before deadline and get a proof of postage) on the form it is saying to allow a few days which is just not possible now, so will posting it the day before be ok? as in theory it may take longer than a day and will they class this as me missing the deadline?
I was thinking of calling them to explain. Furthermore, I want to give a detailed account and although I have today and tomorrow I know realistically my additional personal info that I want to write for each descriptor will not be finished.
I was thinking of just getting the form in and writing on each descriptor additional info to follow asap and include a covering letter explaining do you think this will be ok??
I'm concerned also of them looking at the form in say the next week and seeing this and not considering it at all and making a decision on what they have. Do you think this is likely in this time span? I hope to get in my additional info in a weeks time.
On balance I'm thinking this is the best thing to do rather than submitting the form in late? Can you please advise me what you think it best to do under the circumstances? I know that they have reduced the time to 4weeks if you ring up do they give and extension anymore?
The other issues are, I submitted a new claim for PIP in last Sept and I still haven't heard anything I rang up in Jan and they said they were waiting for appointments in my area.
How do you think I will be treated now with the two claims? will they operate on separate timelines or will they wait for my ESA before deciding on my PIP?
Also, I've been looking at the descriptors for the ESA and notice the overlap and the descriptors that apply to me for the ESA are:- awarennes of Hazards.., starting and finishing tasks,coping changes, coping social situations, going out,eating and drinking.
Will I be ok to submit the same additonal info with reagrd to these descriptors that relate to the PIP ones? Is there anything that I need to be aware of to address differently and adapt it in anyway?. I spent masses of time and effort writing a detailed account for the PIP and it took me time to find a system that best described my condition as it is variable I don't feel that much has changed also I am aware now that they will possibly look at my ESA to decide on PIP? So thinking that the info may need to be the same anyway?
Thank you for you time and help
Angelcake
I'm looking for some advice please on my IB to ESA transfer.
My deadline is on Thurs, my condition varies anyway through the week bad most of time but since receiving the form I've had a particularly bad month, in particular extreme fatigue.
However, I've started the form over the Easter weekend and realised how much work is needed to give a detailed account as I would like to do this as advised that this could help with not needing a medical.
Obviously, I don't want to miss the deadline and I would like to know if what I'm doing is ok?
So I was going to post it wed (day before deadline and get a proof of postage) on the form it is saying to allow a few days which is just not possible now, so will posting it the day before be ok? as in theory it may take longer than a day and will they class this as me missing the deadline?
I was thinking of calling them to explain. Furthermore, I want to give a detailed account and although I have today and tomorrow I know realistically my additional personal info that I want to write for each descriptor will not be finished.
I was thinking of just getting the form in and writing on each descriptor additional info to follow asap and include a covering letter explaining do you think this will be ok??
I'm concerned also of them looking at the form in say the next week and seeing this and not considering it at all and making a decision on what they have. Do you think this is likely in this time span? I hope to get in my additional info in a weeks time.
On balance I'm thinking this is the best thing to do rather than submitting the form in late? Can you please advise me what you think it best to do under the circumstances? I know that they have reduced the time to 4weeks if you ring up do they give and extension anymore?
The other issues are, I submitted a new claim for PIP in last Sept and I still haven't heard anything I rang up in Jan and they said they were waiting for appointments in my area.
How do you think I will be treated now with the two claims? will they operate on separate timelines or will they wait for my ESA before deciding on my PIP?
Also, I've been looking at the descriptors for the ESA and notice the overlap and the descriptors that apply to me for the ESA are:- awarennes of Hazards.., starting and finishing tasks,coping changes, coping social situations, going out,eating and drinking.
Will I be ok to submit the same additonal info with reagrd to these descriptors that relate to the PIP ones? Is there anything that I need to be aware of to address differently and adapt it in anyway?. I spent masses of time and effort writing a detailed account for the PIP and it took me time to find a system that best described my condition as it is variable I don't feel that much has changed also I am aware now that they will possibly look at my ESA to decide on PIP? So thinking that the info may need to be the same anyway?
Thank you for you time and help
Angelcake
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angelcake
Can you get away with posting it on Wednesday and it being delivered a day late? Possibly, but if you don't, at the very least you are likely to delay your ESA claim, although, given the delays in the system, that may go un-noticed.
I think I have to advise you to send it Next Day delivery, it will cost more, but you will have confirmation that it was delivered within the timescale, although it is obviously your decision.
You can ring about the form, but nobody that you are likely to speak to, has authority to change the date the form needs to be returned by, so the best they will do is to acknowledge that it will be late.
You can send in further information after you have returned the DWP, sooner is better than later, again, given the delays in the ESA system I think it unlikely that anyone will look at your form for at least two weeks and probably a lot longer. I would recommend that you copy anything that send to the DWP as well and also take a copy with you to any face to face assessment that you are asked to attend.
Whilst there are some similarities between the ESA and PIP Descriptors the two benefits are completely separate and there will be no transfer of information between the two assessment processes, so you need to send copies of anything relevant to both DWP departments.
As always, your first point of reference should be the claim guides in the members area.
Gordon
Can you get away with posting it on Wednesday and it being delivered a day late? Possibly, but if you don't, at the very least you are likely to delay your ESA claim, although, given the delays in the system, that may go un-noticed.
I think I have to advise you to send it Next Day delivery, it will cost more, but you will have confirmation that it was delivered within the timescale, although it is obviously your decision.
You can ring about the form, but nobody that you are likely to speak to, has authority to change the date the form needs to be returned by, so the best they will do is to acknowledge that it will be late.
You can send in further information after you have returned the DWP, sooner is better than later, again, given the delays in the ESA system I think it unlikely that anyone will look at your form for at least two weeks and probably a lot longer. I would recommend that you copy anything that send to the DWP as well and also take a copy with you to any face to face assessment that you are asked to attend.
Whilst there are some similarities between the ESA and PIP Descriptors the two benefits are completely separate and there will be no transfer of information between the two assessment processes, so you need to send copies of anything relevant to both DWP departments.
As always, your first point of reference should be the claim guides in the members area.
Gordon
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Hi ac,
There is no legal provision for an extension to the 4 week deadline to fill in and return the ESA50.
Failure to return the ESA50 by the given deadline may result in your payments ceasing.
Therefore, I would advise that you fill in the ESA50 as best you can and post it ASAP.
(You can post it by guaranteed next next delivery, but I believe this must be done AM the day before delivery)
Sending Documents to the DWP or ATOS
You could include a covering letter stating that you have struggled to fill in the ESA50 as required, and that you will be forwarding additional supporting evidence to ATOS in the coming days.
(Post it to the same ATOS address as the ESA50 with another covering letter stating that you wish the additional evidence to be taken into account along with the ESA50)
It is not a definite that you will have to undergo a face to face, but if you do, you could also take copy of any additional supporting evidence to the F2F, and hand it to the HCP before the assessment.
To be certain, you could also post copy of the supporting evidence : FAO The ESA Decision Maker, at the DWP office that deals with your benefits.
See :
ESA FAQ’s
&
ESA Claims Guides
Once the ESA50 is received, it may be some time before it is looked at and a decision is made on whether or not you require a F2F, so there should be time to submit additional evidence.
You will have up to the time that a decision is made to submit further evidence.
Even if it is decided that you need a F2F, you must be given 7 days clear notice, and you can rearrange once.
www.atoshealthcare.com/claimants
Your PIP claim is a totally separate issue to ESA, and you should contact The PIP Claims Help Line for an update.
You should bare in mind that many, many PIP claimants are suffering huge delays in the assessment process.
You can submit the same or similar evidence for ESA and PIP, as long as it is relevant and supportive of the individual descriptor with respect to your limitations.
It has been stated that non of the evidence, medical reports used by The DWP in coming to an ESA decision, will be used in coming to a PIP decision.
However, that should not stop you submitting "Any" supporting evidence that you think fit.
To be clear, PIP and ESA are two totally separate benefits, and will each be dealt with by The DWP in a stand-alone capacity.
PIP Claims Guide. (2nd Link on page)
Hope this helps.
bro58
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angelcake wrote: Hi there,
I'm looking for some advice please on my IB to ESA transfer.
My deadline is on Thurs, my condition varies anyway through the week bad most of time but since receiving the form I've had a particularly bad month, in particular extreme fatigue.
However, I've started the form over the Easter weekend and realised how much work is needed to give a detailed account as I would like to do this as advised that this could help with not needing a medical.
Obviously, I don't want to miss the deadline and I would like to know if what I'm doing is ok?
So I was going to post it wed (day before deadline and get a proof of postage) on the form it is saying to allow a few days which is just not possible now, so will posting it the day before be ok? as in theory it may take longer than a day and will they class this as me missing the deadline?
I was thinking of calling them to explain. Furthermore, I want to give a detailed account and although I have today and tomorrow I know realistically my additional personal info that I want to write for each descriptor will not be finished.
I was thinking of just getting the form in and writing on each descriptor additional info to follow asap and include a covering letter explaining do you think this will be ok??
I'm concerned also of them looking at the form in say the next week and seeing this and not considering it at all and making a decision on what they have. Do you think this is likely in this time span? I hope to get in my additional info in a weeks time.
On balance I'm thinking this is the best thing to do rather than submitting the form in late? Can you please advise me what you think it best to do under the circumstances? I know that they have reduced the time to 4weeks if you ring up do they give and extension anymore?
The other issues are, I submitted a new claim for PIP in last Sept and I still haven't heard anything I rang up in Jan and they said they were waiting for appointments in my area.
How do you think I will be treated now with the two claims? will they operate on separate timelines or will they wait for my ESA before deciding on my PIP?
Also, I've been looking at the descriptors for the ESA and notice the overlap and the descriptors that apply to me for the ESA are:- awarennes of Hazards.., starting and finishing tasks,coping changes, coping social situations, going out,eating and drinking.
Will I be ok to submit the same additonal info with reagrd to these descriptors that relate to the PIP ones? Is there anything that I need to be aware of to address differently and adapt it in anyway?. I spent masses of time and effort writing a detailed account for the PIP and it took me time to find a system that best described my condition as it is variable I don't feel that much has changed also I am aware now that they will possibly look at my ESA to decide on PIP? So thinking that the info may need to be the same anyway?
Thank you for you time and help
Angelcake
Hi ac,
There is no legal provision for an extension to the 4 week deadline to fill in and return the ESA50.
Failure to return the ESA50 by the given deadline may result in your payments ceasing.
Therefore, I would advise that you fill in the ESA50 as best you can and post it ASAP.
(You can post it by guaranteed next next delivery, but I believe this must be done AM the day before delivery)
Sending Documents to the DWP or ATOS
You could include a covering letter stating that you have struggled to fill in the ESA50 as required, and that you will be forwarding additional supporting evidence to ATOS in the coming days.
(Post it to the same ATOS address as the ESA50 with another covering letter stating that you wish the additional evidence to be taken into account along with the ESA50)
It is not a definite that you will have to undergo a face to face, but if you do, you could also take copy of any additional supporting evidence to the F2F, and hand it to the HCP before the assessment.
To be certain, you could also post copy of the supporting evidence : FAO The ESA Decision Maker, at the DWP office that deals with your benefits.
See :
ESA FAQ’s
&
ESA Claims Guides
Once the ESA50 is received, it may be some time before it is looked at and a decision is made on whether or not you require a F2F, so there should be time to submit additional evidence.
You will have up to the time that a decision is made to submit further evidence.
Even if it is decided that you need a F2F, you must be given 7 days clear notice, and you can rearrange once.
www.atoshealthcare.com/claimants
Your PIP claim is a totally separate issue to ESA, and you should contact The PIP Claims Help Line for an update.
You should bare in mind that many, many PIP claimants are suffering huge delays in the assessment process.
You can submit the same or similar evidence for ESA and PIP, as long as it is relevant and supportive of the individual descriptor with respect to your limitations.
It has been stated that non of the evidence, medical reports used by The DWP in coming to an ESA decision, will be used in coming to a PIP decision.
However, that should not stop you submitting "Any" supporting evidence that you think fit.
To be clear, PIP and ESA are two totally separate benefits, and will each be dealt with by The DWP in a stand-alone capacity.
PIP Claims Guide. (2nd Link on page)
Hope this helps.
bro58
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9 years 11 months ago - 9 years 11 months ago #120547 by angelcake
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Thank you Gordon and Bro!!
I got my form in special delivery so it would've arrived on time for last Thurs24th. I attached a covering letter saying that I struggled with it etc and that I would be forwarding on personal additional info of how my condition effects me and and also medical evidence.
How long do you think I have realistically now from the deadline?? I have made a start with it but it's a lot of work and I'm struggling with extreme fatigue and the anxiety about me running out of time is making me more anxious and I feel really pressured.
Obviously I really want them to consider this evidence I will be sending so then I may not have to go for a medical as this terrifies me to be honest.
Could you let me know how long roughly you think I have. I think I should be able to get it there for a weeks time but do you think this is really pushing it if I want it to be considered??
Also I think the medical evidence would be a bit longer than that but I was going to write another covering letter when I send my additional info explaining that medical evidence is on it's way and perhaps give an estimation of when that would be ready?
thank you
I got my form in special delivery so it would've arrived on time for last Thurs24th. I attached a covering letter saying that I struggled with it etc and that I would be forwarding on personal additional info of how my condition effects me and and also medical evidence.
How long do you think I have realistically now from the deadline?? I have made a start with it but it's a lot of work and I'm struggling with extreme fatigue and the anxiety about me running out of time is making me more anxious and I feel really pressured.
Obviously I really want them to consider this evidence I will be sending so then I may not have to go for a medical as this terrifies me to be honest.
Could you let me know how long roughly you think I have. I think I should be able to get it there for a weeks time but do you think this is really pushing it if I want it to be considered??
Also I think the medical evidence would be a bit longer than that but I was going to write another covering letter when I send my additional info explaining that medical evidence is on it's way and perhaps give an estimation of when that would be ready?
thank you
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angelcake
You have at least a week as this is the minimum period of notification that they can give you for an assessment, although I would expect it to take at least a week to be processed by ATOS before this can happen.
In reality you probably have months before an assessment will be booked and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that you will have to repeat the exercise as we have had members waiting more than 12 months for an appointment.
So I would get it done as quickly as you can but not stress about getting it completed in days but rather aim for weeks.
Gordon
You have at least a week as this is the minimum period of notification that they can give you for an assessment, although I would expect it to take at least a week to be processed by ATOS before this can happen.
In reality you probably have months before an assessment will be booked and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that you will have to repeat the exercise as we have had members waiting more than 12 months for an appointment.
So I would get it done as quickly as you can but not stress about getting it completed in days but rather aim for weeks.
Gordon
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Hi there,
Thanks Gordon for you last reply!
I'm still working through it using the guide however, I'm struggling to understand the 'Coping with changes'
I'm not sure if I have got the right gist, am I right in saying that this section is a lot stricter than the former Unable to cope with daily changes to routine from the IB form?
What I'm basically trying to say is anything out of my ordinary routine is likely to exasperate my condition and I find it very stressful to the point that sometimes I cannot attend for example hospital appointments. Also the anxiety and stress from this can then have a knock on effect on everyday tasks such as getting up, washing, dressing, cooking, going out, household chores, shopping, socialising with other people. making more difficult and impacts on my daily functioning.
I'm struggling to understand the definition in terms of what they mean by change for example in terms of say any appointments or shopping?
Would a change in routine qualify for this like I have mentioned above?
Sorry struggling to understand
thank you
Thanks Gordon for you last reply!
I'm still working through it using the guide however, I'm struggling to understand the 'Coping with changes'
I'm not sure if I have got the right gist, am I right in saying that this section is a lot stricter than the former Unable to cope with daily changes to routine from the IB form?
What I'm basically trying to say is anything out of my ordinary routine is likely to exasperate my condition and I find it very stressful to the point that sometimes I cannot attend for example hospital appointments. Also the anxiety and stress from this can then have a knock on effect on everyday tasks such as getting up, washing, dressing, cooking, going out, household chores, shopping, socialising with other people. making more difficult and impacts on my daily functioning.
I'm struggling to understand the definition in terms of what they mean by change for example in terms of say any appointments or shopping?
Would a change in routine qualify for this like I have mentioned above?
Sorry struggling to understand
thank you
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