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8 years 10 months ago #135287 by Chlorinated
Replied by Chlorinated on topic Feeling uneasy about support with pip application
oh and regarding this form, my social worker knows that I have cfs and limited walking ability but as its been 4 years since I left the cfs clinic I have no recent documentation on the matter.

whatever she writes now will be my main evidence to show my 'current' problems with walking. note that I have sent my old cfs letters with my pip form. If I tell my social worker my range is 50-200 meters she might just write it and sign it off but it feels a bit awkward because she is just taking my word for it. well not really because she knows I have cfs but it feels awkward since my psychiatrist never talked about cfs.

my social worker said she wants to write something in support, can you suggest something I should suggest to her? I don't know how shell respond if I tell her to write the range and just sign it off.

thanks

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8 years 10 months ago #135295 by Gordon
Amonia

This is always a bit of a Catch 22, using a prepared form means that the comments are likely to be more focussed on the relevant Descriptors, but this can be offset by your being seen as leading the person into making their comments which may devalue the report for the Decision Maker.

With regard to the walking distance, the question to ask is whether your social worker would reasonably be in a position to make comments about this, they are not a doctor so cannot offer a medical opinion on the matter, but could make comment based on regular observation.

You may well find that they will have their own opinion as to whether this is something they can comment on.

Gordon

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8 years 10 months ago #135326 by Chlorinated
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Regarding the pre made form, would you advise for or against it?

I could just get a letter, it wont talk about all specific descriptors but I suppose it would imply that have specific problems with some of the descriptors and have care needs. I suppose I will rely on my detailed answers to truly represent my case.

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8 years 10 months ago #135332 by Gordon

Amonia wrote: Regarding the pre made form, would you advise for or against it?

I could just get a letter, it wont talk about all specific descriptors but I suppose it would imply that have specific problems with some of the descriptors and have care needs. I suppose I will rely on my detailed answers to truly represent my case.

thanks


I'm not saying that you cannot use the form just that there can be issues with doing so, one DM may see a problem and another not.

Without sight of the form is difficult to comment, but if you were going to prepare one then I would suggest including for each question a list of the Descriptors without the points and a comments area.

If you go for a letter, then you should still ask your GP to comment in each of the activity areas (not the Descriptors), if they feel it reasonable to do so.

Whether you go for the form or the letter, make sure you read and understand what your GP has written and only include the document if you believe that it is of help to your claim.

Finally, your GP is not required to provide you with either and may only do so by charging you for doing so, I would recommend that you see them and explain, in broad terms, what you are asking them to do and why, you don't want to pay for something that actually does not serve your interests.

Gordon

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8 years 10 months ago #135413 by Chlorinated
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Hi Gordon. I went for the letter since the form was too descriptor specific.

However my social worker then provided me with a letter which what was almost a complete copy of a letter that my psychiatrist had written. My psychiatrist previously wrote me a letter saying that I was unable to do x, y and z and I submitted that with my pip form. I thought my social worker would give a similar thing but in her own words but it appears that she has copied the psychiatrist letter 80% word for word. I think she may not have realised that I already submitted the psychiatrists letter from months ago which is why she copied it and just added a few more examples.

she also threw in lists which were too descriptor specific. for example her letter say he has problems 'taking nutrition, and personal care such as washing/bathing'. words which seem too pip descriptor specific.

Based on what I have told u, do u think its wise to send my social workers letter which is evidently 80% plagiarised and essentially states what my psychiatrist letter already has. Or should the clear plagiarism not be a problem?

Is the use of descriptor specific words in the letter maybe a mistake? might it look like I lead her to put those things in as you said with the form.

My face to face assessment is tomorrow :ohmy: , she might be able to reword everything but In case she cannot I suppose I am asking, as the letter stands now, do u think I should submit it or not?

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8 years 10 months ago #135437 by Gordon
Amonia

Only you can decide whether to include the letter or not.

As the letter was produced independently of you by your Social Worker I do not think that you should worry about any references to the PIP Descriptors, this is an entirely different situation from you giving them a form to complete with the Descriptors listed.

With regard the plagiarism. I think the question you need to ask yourself is whether this content is something that it would be reasonable for your Social Worker to comment on? As an example; it would be reasonable for a nurse to talk about the on-going treatment for a condition, but probably not for them to comment about diagnosis, this would be something that you might expect a doctor to refer to. So, the fact that they may have used the same words is not in itself a problem, providing it is reasonable for them to have made the comments in the first place.

Gordon

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