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8 years 11 months ago - 8 years 11 months ago #133735 by Bene
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Hi

It has come to my attention that my command of the English language isn't real good, please bear with me on this one.

I have begun the process of an Unplanned Intervention for PIP, and I wonder can you guide me through what I can expect especially in timescale? I spoke to the DWP PIP team on Wednesday, they said they were getting things started, and I eagerly wait; I mean its all I think about.

Ive asked for an unplanned intervention on the basis that my condition has got worse, in so far as Ive got a lot more than I bargained for when I applied for PIP! I must have had trouble understanding the atos worker and/or the first application form I completed.

I am considering adding the following points to the unplanned intervention:
1 b) Needs to use an aid or appliance to be able to either prepare or cook a simple meal. 2 points
4 b) Needs to use an aid or appliance to be able to wash or bathe. 2 points.
5 b) Needs to use an aid or appliance to be able to manage toilet needs or incontinence. 2 points.

Infact I would like to rely on the above points for any future claim. Can you advise me whether 'aid or appliance' above could indeed refer to everyday household items such as a cooker, a toilet, and a shower unit?

I could write all day about how uncomfortable I am with my current PIP grant I look forward to your response! Regards,
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8 years 11 months ago #133748 by Gordon
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Bene

Welcome to the forum, you might want to have a look at the following FAQ which explain where everything is

Welcome to Benefits and Work

If we have misunderstood anything, then please reply to this post with updated information.

It's not entirely clear from your post whether you have requested a re-assessment of your claim because your conditions have worsened since you were originally awarded PIP or whether you think that the original award was insufficient given your problems?

I'll try and deal briefly with both scenarios.

If your conditions have worsened then you will need to provide medical evidence showing the decline and that it has occurred since your PIP award was made and then how you are affected by that change.

I would expect you to receive a new PIP2 form to complete and you will probably have to have a face to face assessment, the DWP will then decide whether a higher award is warranted.

You need to be aware that this will be a full re-assessment of your claim, if you were awarded both components (Daily Living and Mobility), then it may be possible to limit the review to just the one, assuming that this is the case, but the DWP can extend it to both if they feel justified and can make any Decision on your claim that they feel is appropriate, this include leaving it as it is or even removing one or both components, although this is rare, it does happen.

If you are saying that the original award is incorrect then you may have misinformed the DWP as to what you were hoping for. To challenge an existing award you need to request a Mandatory Reconsideration. A DWP Decision Maker will look again at your form, any evidence you supplied, the assessment report and any new evidence you supply to see whether they can change the Decision.

Again, this can result in your whole award being looked at and also runs the risk of your existing award being reduced or removed. Again the risk is small but it does happen. A challenge to the current award can only look at your conditions as they were at the time of the Decision and cannot take of any change since then.

Have a look at our PIP MR and Appeal for further details and our PIP Claim guide for a better understanding of the PIP Descriptors that claimants are assessed against. See the following link

www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip

With regard your question about aids and appliances, none of the devices you mention would be considered as an aid or appliance.

For cooking, aids might include tools that allow to peel and prepare vegetable, a stool that allows you to remain in the kitchen without standing, or aids that allow you to more easily deal with hot pans or liquids.

For washing they might include grab rails to help you get in and out of a bath or shower, a stool for you to sit on whilst showering or long handled "brushes" to allow you to wash areas that you cannot easily reach.

For the toilet it might be grab rails to help you rise from the toilet or a booster seat to make it easier for you to sit on it.

There are more complete lists in the Claim guide in context to each Descriptor.

If you need more assistance then please reply to this post and we will do our best to help.

Gordon

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8 years 11 months ago #133760 by Bene
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Thanks for the detailed and timely reply Gordon. You're right on that its not clear whether my condition has worsened or whether the award was wrong in the first place; infact that is the crux of the issue. For at the point of application I didn't fully understand why I was sick nor what was wrong with me, and I hazard a guess that the PIP people didn't either. Therein we were agreed I needed an award, and while I didn't agree with the wording of the award letter I was so relieved to receive the money I just took it without much thought to the consequences of such an award - I figured if there were consequences people would tell me right?

Now that I have gained some financial stability from the award and greater insight to my condition Im both in a better position to explain my condition and in a better position to know what kind of treatment is available that I do not want. Youre right I want a complete reconsideration of the award. The reason I applied for PIP in the first place has not changed, I need the financial support to get better, and the financial support has made me feel slightly better, however theres a lot more to PIP than simply applying for money and getting the paycheck that is not transparent so its challenging to comment on. Infact learning about the intransparancy of the system has been eye opening in itself, but at the same time extremely uncomfortable to deal with. The whole system of supervision, assistance, treatment or prompting I find to be awfully inappropriate in my case, and the only direct route I have to deal with it is through this PIP Monday - Friday hotline where again they seem to be under a lot of pressure at times.

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8 years 11 months ago #133761 by Bene
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Sorry I was constructing a reply and it submitted without warning... please overlook the above

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8 years 11 months ago #133762 by Bene
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Thanks for the response Gordon. I have a much greater understanding of whats going on now, and I shall discuss it with the PIP team on Monday.

I understand you don't necessarily deal with individual cases so I appreciate the detail you've given me. I certainly could use further guidance with my scenario because Im fairly sure Im under 24 hr observation as per the standard rate/terms of dla, however now that Im aware of it its both unnecessary and quite distressing. Ive no reason to believe the PIP team should delay any adjustment to the terms of my award, however I suppose I'll still have to wait all weekend with some stranger watching over me for virtually no reason... Are you in a position to describe how supervision and prompting are implemented in sensetive cases or can you direct me to such a resource? I mean youve been fantastic help already but it doesn't hurt to ask right. Have a nice weekend. Regards,

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8 years 11 months ago #133829 by Gordon
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Bene

I think you may have mis-interpreted what is meant by supervision and prompting in regard to PIP :)

You don't actually have to be receiving either in order to qualify for PIP, you just need to show that you need them to overcome the limitations you have with your daily living.

So as an example, a claimant might need Supervision in order for you to prepare and cook and meal, this could be because they do not understand the danger of hot pots and pans, or they may forget to light a gas or to turn it off after use.

They may need to be prompted to prepare a meal because they are so distracted by all of their day to day activities or they may feel that they don't need to eat on a regular basis and can support themselves just by eating snacks through out the day, perhaps they do not associate the need to shop for food in order to cook.

I hope this explains it better.

Gordon

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