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TOPIC: ESA56 and FRR4

ESA56 and FRR4 1 week 3 days ago #212412

I have received my SAR from DWP today. In it the ESA85A contains reference to an FRR4. What is an FRR4?

Also, the ESA56 states that the decision is "superseded". What does this mean? It is a new claim not a re-referral.

Furthermore, I used your template letter and specifically asked for the ESA113 which I know was requested and received as part of my WCA. Yet they have not included the ESA113 in the documents they have sent me. They also haven't included the FRR4. whatever it is.

I don't think I'm going to bother requesting these again as I always fear contacting DWP. However, I'd still like to know what these documents are and why they have not been included in the masses of documents sent to me.

I think, probably, the documents have not been sent because they contain "harmful information", whatever the definition of that is. I suspect they fear due to my mental health it may upset me? At then end of the ESA85A it says "I can confirm that there is no harmful information in the report other than indicated". Is that a standard line or does it mean there definitely was information that is harmful?

Really interested to know about these documents. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

ka

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ESA56 and FRR4 1 week 2 days ago #212422

ka

An FFR4 is completed after the HCP has had a telephone conversation with either the claimant or one of their medical contacts.

The DWP make lots of Decisions, for example there was a Decision to give you the ESA Assessment rate, Decisions are usually superseded by a new one, so the Decision to award the SG superseded the Assessment rate one.

If there was an ESA113 then there should be a copy on your medical records at your GP Surgery.

Gordon

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ESA56 and FRR4 1 week 2 days ago #212441

Gordon wrote: ka

An FFR4 is completed after the HCP has had a telephone conversation with either the claimant or one of their medical contacts.

The DWP make lots of Decisions, for example there was a Decision to give you the ESA Assessment rate, Decisions are usually superseded by a new one, so the Decision to award the SG superseded the Assessment rate one.

If there was an ESA113 then there should be a copy on your medical records at your GP Surgery.

Gordon


Hi Gordon,

Thanks very much for this. My only remaining query is about the harmful information, how does one know if they withheld some documents because they believe them to be harmful? What is the criteria for harmful information?

So I can ask the GP surgery for the ESA113, but it’s unlikely I can get the FRR4? From the ESS85A, it looks like the FRR4 heavily influenced their decision.

Cheers,

Ka

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ESA56 and FRR4 1 week 2 days ago #212453

ka

What did you specify on the SAR? Did you ask for specific documents or everything used in the Decision, if the latter then I would have expected the FFR4 to have been supplied and you would have reason to go back to the DWP for the missing form.

I'm not sure about the harmful information, it seems to me that being told that there is harmful information in existence would itself potentially cause harm so I'm not sure whether they will say or not, however, you have nothing to lose by asking.

Yes I would expect the ESA113 to be available from your GP surgery.

Gordon

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ESA56 and FRR4 1 week 2 days ago #212464

Hi Gordon,

I used your standard template letter for asking for information from DWP for the SAR (from your guide for ESA appeals), so it was pretty comprehensive and specifically mentions telephone calls made by the HCP to people that deal with my care. So yeah not sure why it’s not there.

I’ll try and get the ESA113 by asking the surgery. I might do without the FRR4 as I hate contacting DWP, even if it is an innocent request for information.

Thanks for your help,

Ka
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