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5 years 1 month ago #228195 by buzzer
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Hi Gordon and all

I hope it okay to share the information I wrote in the CQ together with the assessment responses. I would have thought preparing food and taking nutrition would all out go hand in hand but apparently not. I was awarded 2 points for preparing food but 0 points for nutrition. Any guidance on how to best argue my case please.
PREPARING FOOD –(Claimant Questionnaire)
Q3a Yes
Q3b Yes
Q3c ; because of my Crohn’s disease polycythaemia vera and leg pains, I require the use of a stool to rest because of fatigue and leg pains and cramps on my feet. I rely on my partner to encourage me and to remind me to prepare meals because the mentioned health conditions which cause me to have a low desire to prepare meals myself. My migraines also cause barriers to preparing a meal in addition to my other health conditions as I end up needing to lie down in bed in a blacked out room.

Supporting evidence from my partner;
“he does not need much, lives on pot noodles, toast and Weetabix and I have to cook him a meal so that he can have some cooked food and even then, I still have to encourage him to eat half a plate. He has certainly lost weight for example at our daughter’s wedding, we went to buy him a suit and he had dropped from a chest size 42 to chest size 40. He now wears belts with his trousers whereas before he didn’t.”
“Every day I have to remind and encourage him to change clothes, to eat……..”

Assessment Report summary;
Reports that he is able to make toast and pot noodles as he doesn’t feel like eating and lacks the energy to stand for a long time in the kitchen. His wife reports that he will forget that he has left things on in the past and she doesn’t like in cooking due to His memory or having to go to the toilet.

Assessment Report Professional opinion;
Description- b. FH reports that he able to make toast and pot noodles as he doesn’t like feel eating and lacks the energy to stand for a long time in the kitchen. His wife reports that he will forget that he has left things on in the past that she doesn’t like cooking due to his memory or having to go to the toilet. He has low iron due to his bowel resection. He’s unable to take iron supplements he indicates he has cramps and he is taking medication.

2 points.

TAKING NUTRITION – (Claimant Qustionaire)
Q4a No
Q4b No
Q4d;

Because of my Crohn’s disease I have a poor motivation to eat a plate of food. I always receive encouragement from by partner to finish the plate of food. It is very difficult for her, she can go through a lot of effort and I end up not eating what she prepares. I don’t feel as hungry throughout the day or feel motivated to eat I am more likely to eat food which is prepared and put in front of me due to the lack of desire in preparing my own. When I have my migraines the last thing on my mind is eating. My migraines can last a whole day, and often my partner will then bring food to the bedroom and encouragement to eat there.

Supporting evidence from my partner;
“he does not eat much, lives on pot noodles, toast and Weetabix and I have to cook him a meal so that he can have some cooked food and even then, I still have to encourage him to eat half a plate. He has certainly lost weight for example at our daughter’s wedding, we went to buy him a suit and he had dropped from a chest size 42 to chest size 40. He now wears belts with his trousers whereas before he didn’t.”
“Every day I have to remind and encourage him to change clothes, to eat……..”

Assessment Report summary;
He eats regularly, can grip normal cutlery, cut their food and feed themselves without difficulty. He will eat snack food through the day as he has a poor appetite.

Assessment Report Professional opinion;
Description- a. CQ indicates a restriction in motivation due to his Crohn’s. FH eats regularly, can grip normal cutlery, cut their food and feed themselves without difficulty. He will eat snack food through the day as he has a poor appetite. Although HOC indicates conditions likely to cause a functional restriction he isn’t receiving dietician input. CMT indicates no dietary supplements. IO indicates he was up of average build.Therefore, it is likely that he can take nutrition are needed, safely, repeatedly, in a timely manner, too unacceptable standard, for the majority of days.

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5 years 1 month ago #228208 by Gordon
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Buzzer

Your post suggests that you have created an overlap between the activities where there is none. Preparing Food is about your ability to prepare and cook a simple meal, Taking Nutrition is about your ability to eat, it looks at your motivation to eat and your physical ability to do so.

To score higher you need to review the Descriptors for each activity.

So for Preparing Food you mention needing to use and aid and possibly prompting to actually do it. These are both covered by two point Descriptors, to score higher you will need to show a specific need for assistance or supervision on the majority of days.

Be careful of what your partner does for you, it would be easy to assume that they cook for you because it is easier that way rather than because you cannot do it for your self.

For Taking Nutrition the Descriptor that covers prompting is quite high scoring and therefore requires a similar level of limitation to score.

This is what assessors are told

Applies to claimants who need to be reminded to eat (for example, due to a cognitive impairment or severe depression), or who need prompting about portion size. Prompting regarding portion size should be directly linked to a diagnosed condition such as Prader Willi Syndrome or Anorexia. In cases where obesity is a factor and where there is no impaired cognition which would suggest a lack of choice or control then this descriptor would not apply.


You mention weight loss, can you qualify this; do you know what you used to weight and what you do now? Does your GP have concerns over the amount of food your are eating? Is the loss more than would be reasonable for someone trying to lose weight?

Gordon

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5 years 1 month ago #228219 by buzzer
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Okay thanks Gordon. I have given me 2 points for preparing food as they have accepted that due to my health conditions I would require a stool/aid.

For nutrition, you gave some guidance on what the assessors should look for when qualifying for Nutrition descriptors particularly in relation to two key words "reminding" and "portion' size.You will see from the assessors opinion that "HOC indicates conditions likely to cause a functional restriction" but I am not receiving specialist input from a dietician.

I came across this statement from the mentalhealthmoneyadvice.org website
"You do not have to get treatment or support to meet the criteria for PIP. If you don’t get all the support you need, think about how your life could be improved if someone could encourage, help or prompt you with the activity."

So my question is if the health conditions seem to qualify for meeting the descriptors, can DWP still refuse point son the basis that I am not receiving bespoke input i.e dietician but to also bear in mind that I am receiving Consultant level input. e.g. I am under the gastroenterologist for Crohns and haematologist for PV and GP for migraines.

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5 years 1 month ago #228221 by buzzer
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In relation to the weight loss I am awaiting on the gastro team to have a look at the history of the weight recordings and to provide me written feedback. And I wonder if

Prompting regarding portion size should be directly linked to a diagnosed condition such as Prder syndrome or Anorexia do you know if Crohn's disease is a valid enough condition too? or how can I find out?

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5 years 1 month ago #228240 by Gordon
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buzzer

The statement you mention is really about your receiving or not being able to receive prompting, assistance or supervision, it's not really about medical treatment.

There may be reasons you are not receiving treatment, maybe there is no specialist treatment in your area, perhaps you received it but your condition is now stable and you have been discharged. If there is a reason then you should explain it although you do mention that you are waiting for an appointment with the gastro team.

There's no list of "qualifying" conditions the two that are mentioned are just relevant examples so it is down to you to argue that Crohn's is. The NHS page on the illness mentions weight loss as one of the symptoms but not why this happens, so if it is a direct effect of the condition then you may struggle to score but if you can show that it reduces your appetite or there are effects from your eating that make you reluctant to eat then you might.

Gordon

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