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 		 			 	 						9 years 4 months ago				#161532 		by alison 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
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  			 				hi was  wondering if  anyone could advise me on  when  going to appeal for  pip.. is it advisable to make notes of  things that were written in assesment  as for example ,,, for quite a few  daily activities the assesor reported  that  the medication  history shows her to be taking a low level of pain relief and  a lower level  of antidepressant medication ,and also that there is no current mental health inviolvment ...   i dont believe  it should make a difference  to what strength  painkillers you take ,,  i suffer oestio athritus and cannot take naproxen due to  other medical reason so the only other alternative the doctor will give me is  co codomol. 30/500 mg,,, i take  8-10  throughout the day  and it doesnt help  with pain but  they wont give you anything strongr  ime already  dependant on them  and was taking  fa more than the prescribed amount you should take ,, and also  the  2 antidepressants i take  which is venlofaxine  150mg  in the morning slow release,and mirtrazapine  15mg  in the night to help me sleep not that they work,,. surely  what amount of medication you take  and strength shouldnt justify  the amount of pain you must be in or the severity of your mental health ,everyone  reacts differently to certain medication ,, this is the 6th antidepressant i have  tried  and  ime to  scared to keep trying different ones as  through the  weaning off one and taking another i get  very depressed and suisidal,,ive been on the waiting list for 9 nths  to be referd to psycotherapy had a assesment with them and now on waiting list,.  have had mental health refer me to them ,but  doesnt mean cause ime not having any involvment  at present doesnt mean ime not in need of it ,,, just feel  the assesor has basicaly said  there nothing wrong with me as my medication isnt  apaprantly strong enough ,.  not sure if i should  mention this in with my appeal ,or is that just a case for  making a complaint to the  capita  .. any advise would be  appreaciated , sorry if ive  babbled on  too much ,just find it so frustrating,.!!			
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 			 	 						9 years 4 months ago				#161543 		by shelam 	  	 		 			 	    	 			 		 													
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  			 				Hello Alison
 
You don't say whether or not you have applied for Mandatory Reconsideration? I think you've implied that you have a copy of the assessor's report, which is how you know about the references to your levels of pain relief etc. but you can't request an appeal unless you have had mandatory reconsideration.
 
If you have had your MR, and your award hasn't changed, then you have a month to put in your request for appeal.
 
If you go here
 
How to submit an appeal
 
you will get the information you need to put together your appeal.
 
If you need to access your medical records, to provide supportive evidence for your appeal, go here
 
Requesting Your Medical Records
 
You should make a note of all the discrepancies between how the assessor has described your needs and how ill you actually feel you are; Make a note of the side effects you have experienced with your previous medications, and explain how this has made you frightened of trying out different ones.
 
You must also make mention of the fact that you have been referred to mental health agencies in the past and are presently waiting an appointment with psychotherapy after being assessed by them.
 
The guides will help you put your form together and help you present your information in the best possible way. Hopefully other member will be able to offer advice and support if they have been through the same system.
 
Good luck with your Appeal.
			
  					You don't say whether or not you have applied for Mandatory Reconsideration? I think you've implied that you have a copy of the assessor's report, which is how you know about the references to your levels of pain relief etc. but you can't request an appeal unless you have had mandatory reconsideration.
If you have had your MR, and your award hasn't changed, then you have a month to put in your request for appeal.
If you go here
How to submit an appeal
you will get the information you need to put together your appeal.
If you need to access your medical records, to provide supportive evidence for your appeal, go here
Requesting Your Medical Records
You should make a note of all the discrepancies between how the assessor has described your needs and how ill you actually feel you are; Make a note of the side effects you have experienced with your previous medications, and explain how this has made you frightened of trying out different ones.
You must also make mention of the fact that you have been referred to mental health agencies in the past and are presently waiting an appointment with psychotherapy after being assessed by them.
The guides will help you put your form together and help you present your information in the best possible way. Hopefully other member will be able to offer advice and support if they have been through the same system.
Good luck with your Appeal.
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 			 	 						9 years 4 months ago				#161546 		by alison 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
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  			 				thankyou for your reply ,, yes ive already submitted a MR  about 3 weeks ago ,i know it can take some time to have a decision but imr trying to prepare myself ready  for a appeal  as i doubt very much   it will change ,, when  applying for pip origanly  i didnt have supporting evidence at the time to send with the form ,as i had sent origanal copies from mental health and psycotherapy to eas  MR , and didnt recieve them bk ,i since have been able to get copies of the letters i recieved and forwarded them with my MR  for pip,,. just needed to know realy wether mentioning this  in my submissions  maybe would help about the  constant statement made in the assesors report stating  ime not on strong painkillers and  antidepressants,, she was  a registerd nurse  and dont think  her opinion on what  medication she  thinks i should or shouldnt be taking as in strength ,,also she put down i have  aids in my bathroom and toilet as they are seperate  and on my sink ,which i dont and she never even asked me if i did in  assesment ,seems they put down what they want, everything i wrote in my claim form how disability affects me  and what i told her on assesment  she has ignored and made her own assumtions, told her i can walk between 50 mtrs  but  no more than 100metres without having to stop n rest ,,and even after that it exshauts me for rest of day and ime in excrutiating pain . but apparantly i managed to do the  lift  your arm  stand on one foot  etc ..... which i did but lost balance and  nearly fell , ,seems these assesor  by reading  other forums on here ust basicaly make there own opinion  regardless,.			
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 			 	 						9 years 4 months ago				#161554 		by Gordon 	  	 		 			 					
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  			 				Alison
 
A Tribunal will be looking at all of the evidence from scratch so won't specifically be bothered about whether the reports were available to the original Decision Maker, however, it won't hurt to include a short statement about what happened.
 
The Assessor is arguing that low doses of pain and antidepressant medication suggests that your conditions are not severe enough to meet the criteria to score points, you need to explain why this is incorrect. So you need to go back to basics with your PIP2 form, the assessment report and the PIP Claim guide to show that you meet the criteria, remember that activities must be done "reliably" and "on the majority of days" not to score points.
 
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  							A Tribunal will be looking at all of the evidence from scratch so won't specifically be bothered about whether the reports were available to the original Decision Maker, however, it won't hurt to include a short statement about what happened.
The Assessor is arguing that low doses of pain and antidepressant medication suggests that your conditions are not severe enough to meet the criteria to score points, you need to explain why this is incorrect. So you need to go back to basics with your PIP2 form, the assessment report and the PIP Claim guide to show that you meet the criteria, remember that activities must be done "reliably" and "on the majority of days" not to score points.
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 			 	 						9 years 4 months ago				#161561 		by Somerset21 	  	 		 			 	    	 			 		 													
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  			 				Hi alison. I know how you feel as I was given points on physical because I am on ''moderate'' pain relief. I was not given points because I am on ''first line treatment'' and am not under a mental health team. Well I am middle dose Prozac and have been under mental health teams in the past. The problem they do not understand that there is not enough help under the NHS to have continued support so I am just under my doctor. Apparently that is not enough.			
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 			 	 						9 years 4 months ago				#161566 		by alison 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
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  			 				thankyou gordon,,.
yes i think i will write a short statement about the assesors comments on my medication because i do. believe regardless of what strength medication ime on doesnt determine how my ability to be able to do certain descriptors should realy matter ,,, its actualy the fact ime unable to do things reliably on most days due to mental health plus fatique and pain,, and if honest ive had higher doses of antidepressants and they made me worse ,this is the only one in 4 yrs that i feel helps a little bit better than any other ive taken in past,, and ime afraid to go on a higher dose as past experience doing so made me even worse ,,and with the medication plus the 30/500 mg ii take make me very tired ,.forgetfull,.,confused ..and with lack of no sleep ime actually thinking ide make a great part as an extra in the walking dead series,.
  
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  					yes i think i will write a short statement about the assesors comments on my medication because i do. believe regardless of what strength medication ime on doesnt determine how my ability to be able to do certain descriptors should realy matter ,,, its actualy the fact ime unable to do things reliably on most days due to mental health plus fatique and pain,, and if honest ive had higher doses of antidepressants and they made me worse ,this is the only one in 4 yrs that i feel helps a little bit better than any other ive taken in past,, and ime afraid to go on a higher dose as past experience doing so made me even worse ,,and with the medication plus the 30/500 mg ii take make me very tired ,.forgetfull,.,confused ..and with lack of no sleep ime actually thinking ide make a great part as an extra in the walking dead series,.
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