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8 years 6 months ago #176387 by Maureen
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Hi there - it's SO good to have you all here to help!!
I have a few Qs re PIP. My son is about to transfer from DLA to PIP (re ADHD) - he was getting middle rate for one and higher for the other. I have just made a claim for myself for PIP (re ADHD & PTSD) but scored zero for every single category(!) - I think this may be because I didn't put a figure on how much of the time I am affected as it varies so much - do you think this could be the reason my claim was unsuccessful??
Also, I didn't actually STATE the words in my claim that you mentioned in the guide - ie 'reliably' to a reasonable standard, that kind of thing - but I thought I made it clear from my explanations (in further info) that this was the case - do I literally need to write those specific words onto the claim questionnaire in order to actually meet the criteria?!
One final Q - I am finding the claim questionnaire to be VERY geared towards PHYSICAL difficulties and not taking into consideration MENTAL HEALTH difficulties and therefore finding it VERY difficult to complete - does anyone have any advice on how to best get around this?
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH for any help you are able to offer - it is SO much appreciated as I am having so much trouble with the questionnaire and not only have to do my son's PIP claim this week, but also have until next week to request a 'Reconsideration' for my own claim, so as you can imagine, I am feeling very overwhelmed with it all!! Thanks again everyone!!
I have a few Qs re PIP. My son is about to transfer from DLA to PIP (re ADHD) - he was getting middle rate for one and higher for the other. I have just made a claim for myself for PIP (re ADHD & PTSD) but scored zero for every single category(!) - I think this may be because I didn't put a figure on how much of the time I am affected as it varies so much - do you think this could be the reason my claim was unsuccessful??
Also, I didn't actually STATE the words in my claim that you mentioned in the guide - ie 'reliably' to a reasonable standard, that kind of thing - but I thought I made it clear from my explanations (in further info) that this was the case - do I literally need to write those specific words onto the claim questionnaire in order to actually meet the criteria?!
One final Q - I am finding the claim questionnaire to be VERY geared towards PHYSICAL difficulties and not taking into consideration MENTAL HEALTH difficulties and therefore finding it VERY difficult to complete - does anyone have any advice on how to best get around this?
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH for any help you are able to offer - it is SO much appreciated as I am having so much trouble with the questionnaire and not only have to do my son's PIP claim this week, but also have until next week to request a 'Reconsideration' for my own claim, so as you can imagine, I am feeling very overwhelmed with it all!! Thanks again everyone!!
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8 years 6 months ago #176433 by Gordon
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Maureen
You must be unable to "reliably" complete an "on the majority of days" to score points, if you did not define the periods that you are restricted then this is most likely the reason for your score.
You need to explain why you cannot perform an activity reliably for every activity that you have problems with. I'm afraid stating this in the Other Information section will not be sufficient.
Mental health problems that would limit your ability to complete an activity would come under the broad heading of reliably, prompting and supervision. As an example; if you have no awareness of danger then you might need supervision to prepare and cook a meal, depression and low self esteem may mean that you need prompting to dress each day and if you have OCD tendencies then the rituals involved in your washing and bathing may mean that you cannot do these reliably.
See the PIP Claim for more detailed explanations.
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You must be unable to "reliably" complete an "on the majority of days" to score points, if you did not define the periods that you are restricted then this is most likely the reason for your score.
You need to explain why you cannot perform an activity reliably for every activity that you have problems with. I'm afraid stating this in the Other Information section will not be sufficient.
Mental health problems that would limit your ability to complete an activity would come under the broad heading of reliably, prompting and supervision. As an example; if you have no awareness of danger then you might need supervision to prepare and cook a meal, depression and low self esteem may mean that you need prompting to dress each day and if you have OCD tendencies then the rituals involved in your washing and bathing may mean that you cannot do these reliably.
See the PIP Claim for more detailed explanations.
Gordon
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8 years 6 months ago #176523 by Maureen
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Hi Gordon
I am new to your site so am trying to 'find my way around it' and reply!
Many thanks for your response to my first post on here - re wording for PIP - it was very helpful!
Can I just clarify one thing please - you said "reliably" and "on the majority of days" - do I need to actually WRITE those words on the form and under each & every category that they apply to?
Is it enough to just make the above statement or do I need to give say a percentage or number of days (a week, month or year?!) that is affected?
Many thanks Gordon - your help is very much appreciated and this site in general!!
With best wishes,
Maureen
I am new to your site so am trying to 'find my way around it' and reply!
Many thanks for your response to my first post on here - re wording for PIP - it was very helpful!
Can I just clarify one thing please - you said "reliably" and "on the majority of days" - do I need to actually WRITE those words on the form and under each & every category that they apply to?
Is it enough to just make the above statement or do I need to give say a percentage or number of days (a week, month or year?!) that is affected?
Many thanks Gordon - your help is very much appreciated and this site in general!!
With best wishes,
Maureen
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8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #176526 by slugsta
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Hi Maureen,
The closer your words match with the descriptors, the better. If you don't say how many days you cannot do x,y,z then DWP/assessor will draw their own conclusions (which is unlikely to be to your advantage!).
I know it is tedious, repetitive and soul destroying to document your problems in detail for every question, but this is what you need to do to give yourself the best chance of getting the result you deserve.
The closer your words match with the descriptors, the better. If you don't say how many days you cannot do x,y,z then DWP/assessor will draw their own conclusions (which is unlikely to be to your advantage!).
I know it is tedious, repetitive and soul destroying to document your problems in detail for every question, but this is what you need to do to give yourself the best chance of getting the result you deserve.
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8 years 6 months ago #176527 by Gordon
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Maureen
Reliably is an easy way to refer to four statements about how a claimant must be able to complete an activity.
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.
You need to include the relevant phrases and explain why this is the case.
In a similar vein, you need to explain what you mean by "on the majority of days", at the least most claimant should explain what they can do when they are their worst, what they can do for the majority of the time and what they can do when they are at their best.
For each of these they need to specific the time they are affect in this way.
So as an example; you may be unable to complete an activity at all when you are at your worst, cannot reliably complete it four days a week and complete it without problem on the remaining two days a week. So you wold be saying that you cannot complete the task on five out of seven days.
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Reliably is an easy way to refer to four statements about how a claimant must be able to complete an activity.
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.
You need to include the relevant phrases and explain why this is the case.
In a similar vein, you need to explain what you mean by "on the majority of days", at the least most claimant should explain what they can do when they are their worst, what they can do for the majority of the time and what they can do when they are at their best.
For each of these they need to specific the time they are affect in this way.
So as an example; you may be unable to complete an activity at all when you are at your worst, cannot reliably complete it four days a week and complete it without problem on the remaining two days a week. So you wold be saying that you cannot complete the task on five out of seven days.
Gordon
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8 years 6 months ago #176535 by Maureen
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Thank you Mrs Hurtyback and Gordon for those more detailed and very helpful explanations!
And indeed Mrs H - "soul destroying" is spot on, but I will continue to do what's necessary, especially now I know how best to do it thanks to your sage advice!!
And indeed Mrs H - "soul destroying" is spot on, but I will continue to do what's necessary, especially now I know how best to do it thanks to your sage advice!!
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