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4 years 3 days ago #258924 by MissVeeBee
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Hello,
My son received a letter to say he has been award the £59.60 pip from the 4th January daily living needs.
But then underneath under payments it says as you live in sheltered/supported accommodation we cannot pay you daily living part fom the 4th January.
It's not making any sense. It says he has the award till October 2023. But what can't they pay from the 4th Jan...
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My son received a letter to say he has been award the £59.60 pip from the 4th January daily living needs.
But then underneath under payments it says as you live in sheltered/supported accommodation we cannot pay you daily living part fom the 4th January.
It's not making any sense. It says he has the award till October 2023. But what can't they pay from the 4th Jan...
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4 years 3 days ago #258925 by LL26
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Hi MissVeeBee,
I wonder if the letter actually means that your son is entitled to standard rate if daily living but because he lives in supported accommodation then his PIP will be paid directly to his accommodation provider. I know this does happen in respect of care homes which are paid fir by the Local Authority. If you are self funding then this rule should not apply.
However some DWP letters are totally contradictory and its really hard to decipher them at times.
I would phone DWP and ask them. Also ask the finance officer where your son lives.
I hope that you can resolve this
problem. Good luck.
LL26
I wonder if the letter actually means that your son is entitled to standard rate if daily living but because he lives in supported accommodation then his PIP will be paid directly to his accommodation provider. I know this does happen in respect of care homes which are paid fir by the Local Authority. If you are self funding then this rule should not apply.
However some DWP letters are totally contradictory and its really hard to decipher them at times.
I would phone DWP and ask them. Also ask the finance officer where your son lives.
I hope that you can resolve this
problem. Good luck.
LL26
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4 years 2 days ago #258936 by MissVeeBee
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It's really confusing yes..
Not sure what self funding is..
I'm hoping it's wrong as he lives in supported accommodation but has his own tenancy agreement and has letters in his name in housing and council tax benefit and lives in a studio flat on his own...
I had no idea there was a potential issue with receiving pip while living in supported accommodation
Hopefully can sort out on Tuesday when they open again
Not sure what self funding is..
I'm hoping it's wrong as he lives in supported accommodation but has his own tenancy agreement and has letters in his name in housing and council tax benefit and lives in a studio flat on his own...
I had no idea there was a potential issue with receiving pip while living in supported accommodation
Hopefully can sort out on Tuesday when they open again
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4 years 2 days ago #258937 by Rosemary Clayson
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Hi, Miss VeeBee
My son lives in supported living accommodation. He is entitled to, and receives, PIP and ESA.
However, if, like my son, yours is in receipt of services from the local authority, then they will take his PIP and other benefit income into account to assess how much of it he has to contribute to his care, which he will be invoiced for each month. (They have to leave him with at least the minimum income guarantee according to the law)
To the best of my knowledge, the DWP don't pay benefit money direct to providers. They may pay it to a third party if they are his appointee, but not to a provider directly.
I have a friend who has young people living with her in a Shared Lives Scheme (like adult fostering). Again, they all get their PIP paid to them, and then have to pay their assessed contribution.
As LL26 says, if he lives in a care home, then he ceases to be entitled to receive the care component of PIP after a certain number of days. But you've had an entitlement letter, so it doesn't sound like that.
Who has written the letter? Is it his local authority? Is it the DWP?
You might need to ask for clarification.
My son lives in supported living accommodation. He is entitled to, and receives, PIP and ESA.
However, if, like my son, yours is in receipt of services from the local authority, then they will take his PIP and other benefit income into account to assess how much of it he has to contribute to his care, which he will be invoiced for each month. (They have to leave him with at least the minimum income guarantee according to the law)
To the best of my knowledge, the DWP don't pay benefit money direct to providers. They may pay it to a third party if they are his appointee, but not to a provider directly.
I have a friend who has young people living with her in a Shared Lives Scheme (like adult fostering). Again, they all get their PIP paid to them, and then have to pay their assessed contribution.
As LL26 says, if he lives in a care home, then he ceases to be entitled to receive the care component of PIP after a certain number of days. But you've had an entitlement letter, so it doesn't sound like that.
Who has written the letter? Is it his local authority? Is it the DWP?
You might need to ask for clarification.
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4 years 2 days ago #258944 by MissVeeBee
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Does anyone know what self funding is...
Still trying to find out exactly what the rules are around this issue rather than rely on what they say on the phone on Tuesday...
He lives I suppose in temporary housing, there is a keyworker there but they help them to move on and out and not with any daily living tasks. He has just one session a week with them..
He has a tenancy agreement, council tax bill and received housing benefit paid directly to them for the studio flat he lives in. The building has 17 studio flats. He is only allowed to stay for 12 months and has applied for council housing...
I also saw self funded somewhere and wondering if this counts
Still trying to find out exactly what the rules are around this issue rather than rely on what they say on the phone on Tuesday...
He lives I suppose in temporary housing, there is a keyworker there but they help them to move on and out and not with any daily living tasks. He has just one session a week with them..
He has a tenancy agreement, council tax bill and received housing benefit paid directly to them for the studio flat he lives in. The building has 17 studio flats. He is only allowed to stay for 12 months and has applied for council housing...
I also saw self funded somewhere and wondering if this counts
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4 years 1 day ago #258954 by Catherine
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Hello MissVeeBee,
If some of the cost of your son’s accommodation and support is met by public funds then they may well look take his PIP payment to help cover that cost. The argument is that his Daily Living PIP is to help him pay for support with Daily Living, but if the supported housing is giving that to him, then they should be getting that money. And rather than him receiving it and then giving it to them, the DWP does not pay it to him in the first place. This also applies if someone goes into hospital.
If however all the cost of your son’s accommodation and support is being covered by other monies, his PIP money is his to spend as he wishes. This is known as ‘self-funding’, so if you did indeed see that somewhere it is good sign.
I would suggest that you start by contacting the agency which is providing his supported housing, who will probably be able to give you the most helpful answer.
Catherine
If some of the cost of your son’s accommodation and support is met by public funds then they may well look take his PIP payment to help cover that cost. The argument is that his Daily Living PIP is to help him pay for support with Daily Living, but if the supported housing is giving that to him, then they should be getting that money. And rather than him receiving it and then giving it to them, the DWP does not pay it to him in the first place. This also applies if someone goes into hospital.
If however all the cost of your son’s accommodation and support is being covered by other monies, his PIP money is his to spend as he wishes. This is known as ‘self-funding’, so if you did indeed see that somewhere it is good sign.
I would suggest that you start by contacting the agency which is providing his supported housing, who will probably be able to give you the most helpful answer.
Catherine
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