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1 day 14 hours ago #304588 by Onyx123
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After the mandatory consideration was refused and now my next option is to put in an appeal. I did put I could walk 20 to 50 meters but I did not understand what walking up to 20 meters meany and 20 to 50 meters when it comes to speed of pace, pain, having to stop because of pain, my muscles literally freezing up. Would I have a chance with an appeal that DWP should have taken my pain into account, freezing muscles, shortness of breath, and risks of falls that are always there, not to mention the falls I have already had.
Or would be easier to do a change in my condition and fill in the PIP form again.
I am not sure what to do. I know the mods can't tell me what to do, but do I have a valid reason to go to appeal.
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Or would be easier to do a change in my condition and fill in the PIP form again.
I am not sure what to do. I know the mods can't tell me what to do, but do I have a valid reason to go to appeal.
Onyx123
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1 day 13 hours ago #304589 by BIS
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Hi Onyx123
I understand your question, but it's not one I can give a satisfactory answer to. I assume you are trying to challenge your mobility award and you told them about the difficulties you've mentioned in your post. You ask if they should have taken those things into account - yes they should, but if you told them you can walk 20 to 50 metres most assessors won't the judgement given by the claimant. The Tribunal panel have to judge whether the assessor made the right judgment with the information they had. If you can show that they ignored, or misunderstood information then you have a chance of winning.
You can also say that you misunderstood the system and didn't realise that because of the falls you have, the fact that you have to stop quickly because of pain - all things you mentioned in your assessment - that you can't walk the distance the assessor thinks you can.
Will you have a strong case? I honestly have no idea - because I don't have any of the details (and I'm not an assessor).
Is it easier to do a 'change of circumstances? It will probably be quicker, but there's no guarantee of success especially if you have recently been assessed. YOu will need to show that the changes have been ongoing for at least three months before you informed them and will continue for the nine months afterwards. From what you have said - that doesn't seem to be an issue - but you will have to argue that your situation has deteriorated.
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I understand your question, but it's not one I can give a satisfactory answer to. I assume you are trying to challenge your mobility award and you told them about the difficulties you've mentioned in your post. You ask if they should have taken those things into account - yes they should, but if you told them you can walk 20 to 50 metres most assessors won't the judgement given by the claimant. The Tribunal panel have to judge whether the assessor made the right judgment with the information they had. If you can show that they ignored, or misunderstood information then you have a chance of winning.
You can also say that you misunderstood the system and didn't realise that because of the falls you have, the fact that you have to stop quickly because of pain - all things you mentioned in your assessment - that you can't walk the distance the assessor thinks you can.
Will you have a strong case? I honestly have no idea - because I don't have any of the details (and I'm not an assessor).
Is it easier to do a 'change of circumstances? It will probably be quicker, but there's no guarantee of success especially if you have recently been assessed. YOu will need to show that the changes have been ongoing for at least three months before you informed them and will continue for the nine months afterwards. From what you have said - that doesn't seem to be an issue - but you will have to argue that your situation has deteriorated.
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1 day 8 hours ago #304594 by Onyx123
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Hi Bis,
It was a review that took 10months for it to be completed on paper. From the time I submitted the review the arthritis and stenosis in my lower spine the pain has got worse. The back pain and stenosis, along with the parkinson's affect the muscles all round my hips and the pain is so severe I can't walk a meter when it comes on.
I have Parkinson's, COPD, and Diabetic neuropathy in both legs and feet. I said walking causes me severe pain and the pain can stop me from walking. I said about the risk of falls and that I have had falls. I also said I walk very slowly. I think they look at 20 to 50 meters and award that amount. It should be 21 meters to to 50 meters. Also because I am dyslexic when wring things like can't I will off the bits that change a word from can to can't. I meant to say on a bad day I can't walk 20 meters. It came out as on a bad day I can walk 20 meters.I know I should have said I can only walk 5 meters on a bad day. It was a few days after I sent the review form back that I joined B&W.
It was only when I read case law on on B&W I understood speed of walking, and pain and how they should be taken into account. Also if I over do it, then I am left in chronic pain for days from my head to my toes unable to do very much or move around.
With the review starting over a year ago, how can they say I have only recently been assessed.
I don't know if a tribunal or a change in condition. I have already sent them a letter when I finally got a diagnoses on my back. If I did a change of circumstances would it be like filling out the pip form as if it was like filling out the form again how everything affects you or only the change. I have no experience of doing a change of circumstances.
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It was a review that took 10months for it to be completed on paper. From the time I submitted the review the arthritis and stenosis in my lower spine the pain has got worse. The back pain and stenosis, along with the parkinson's affect the muscles all round my hips and the pain is so severe I can't walk a meter when it comes on.
I have Parkinson's, COPD, and Diabetic neuropathy in both legs and feet. I said walking causes me severe pain and the pain can stop me from walking. I said about the risk of falls and that I have had falls. I also said I walk very slowly. I think they look at 20 to 50 meters and award that amount. It should be 21 meters to to 50 meters. Also because I am dyslexic when wring things like can't I will off the bits that change a word from can to can't. I meant to say on a bad day I can't walk 20 meters. It came out as on a bad day I can walk 20 meters.I know I should have said I can only walk 5 meters on a bad day. It was a few days after I sent the review form back that I joined B&W.
It was only when I read case law on on B&W I understood speed of walking, and pain and how they should be taken into account. Also if I over do it, then I am left in chronic pain for days from my head to my toes unable to do very much or move around.
With the review starting over a year ago, how can they say I have only recently been assessed.
I don't know if a tribunal or a change in condition. I have already sent them a letter when I finally got a diagnoses on my back. If I did a change of circumstances would it be like filling out the pip form as if it was like filling out the form again how everything affects you or only the change. I have no experience of doing a change of circumstances.
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1 day 7 hours ago #304597 by BIS
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Hi Onyx123
Abut 68% of claimants win their PIP appeals, but you could be waiting up to a year for it to take place. If you win, then the award would be backdated.
If you are happy with your daily living award, you could apply for a change of circumstances and ask them to look at your mobility only. You've already laid the groundwork by writing to them and telling them about your diagnosis. You need to have a good look at our guides and what it says about mobility and see the examples of how to describe your mobility issues and the pitfalls you can easily fall into. I think you may have unwittingly given them the wrong impression of your capabilities.
It honestly doesn't matter if you meant to say that on a bad day you can't walk 20 metres - unless the majority of your days are bad - it didn't make any difference to the end result, because the DWP score you on what you can do the majority of the time. Personally, I'm not particularly in favour of talking about good days and bad days because an assessor will always latch onto the 'good days'. It doesn't sound as if you get any pain-free days!
Now, obviously, you have to be honest, and your condition may fluctuate, but it's easy to overcomplicate things. Have a look at the guide to Pip Claims and Reviews again and make sure you understand how you have to fight this before you put your change of circumstances in.
There's a red flag for me in what you say - in that walking causes you severe pain. You have balance and pain issues. - all of which you have the evidence for. I would have ticked that you "stand and then move more than 1 metre but no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided." The reason why I probably would have chosen this is because you have your pain, and balance issues from the moment you stand up (perhaps before you stand) and that as soon as you move, you are going to be slower than someone without your conditions, you are going to stop or pause fairly quickly, you are going to be breathless, possibly dizzy and in pain that increases your risk of falling. You have already said there is a risk of falling. Indeed, you have the evidence of falls and they are supposed to take note of the risk (see page 86 onwards.) There is also the reliability and safety issues - ie could you repeat the walk - no - are you safe - no - because you fall. (see page 17)
I still can't tell you what to do. You actually could put in for an appeal and a change of circumstances at the same time. The change of circumstances should trigger them to send you out a new review form, though occasionally they make a decision on a claimant's letter. Change of circumstances can take a long time, but if you win it will be backdated to the date you inform them of the change.
Hope that helps a little
BIS
Abut 68% of claimants win their PIP appeals, but you could be waiting up to a year for it to take place. If you win, then the award would be backdated.
If you are happy with your daily living award, you could apply for a change of circumstances and ask them to look at your mobility only. You've already laid the groundwork by writing to them and telling them about your diagnosis. You need to have a good look at our guides and what it says about mobility and see the examples of how to describe your mobility issues and the pitfalls you can easily fall into. I think you may have unwittingly given them the wrong impression of your capabilities.
It honestly doesn't matter if you meant to say that on a bad day you can't walk 20 metres - unless the majority of your days are bad - it didn't make any difference to the end result, because the DWP score you on what you can do the majority of the time. Personally, I'm not particularly in favour of talking about good days and bad days because an assessor will always latch onto the 'good days'. It doesn't sound as if you get any pain-free days!
Now, obviously, you have to be honest, and your condition may fluctuate, but it's easy to overcomplicate things. Have a look at the guide to Pip Claims and Reviews again and make sure you understand how you have to fight this before you put your change of circumstances in.
There's a red flag for me in what you say - in that walking causes you severe pain. You have balance and pain issues. - all of which you have the evidence for. I would have ticked that you "stand and then move more than 1 metre but no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided." The reason why I probably would have chosen this is because you have your pain, and balance issues from the moment you stand up (perhaps before you stand) and that as soon as you move, you are going to be slower than someone without your conditions, you are going to stop or pause fairly quickly, you are going to be breathless, possibly dizzy and in pain that increases your risk of falling. You have already said there is a risk of falling. Indeed, you have the evidence of falls and they are supposed to take note of the risk (see page 86 onwards.) There is also the reliability and safety issues - ie could you repeat the walk - no - are you safe - no - because you fall. (see page 17)
I still can't tell you what to do. You actually could put in for an appeal and a change of circumstances at the same time. The change of circumstances should trigger them to send you out a new review form, though occasionally they make a decision on a claimant's letter. Change of circumstances can take a long time, but if you win it will be backdated to the date you inform them of the change.
Hope that helps a little
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1 day 10 minutes ago #304620 by Onyx123
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Hi Bis thank you for your replies. I have put in an appeal but it is late because I didn't receive the MC letter until a week after the letter was dated and I explained this. Now it is studying the guides, and preparing my case for appeal. It will take time to sort out the evidence. I am waiting for evidence from my consultant on my mobility.
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10 hours 27 minutes ago #304632 by Onyx123
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Hi Bis,
My appeal has been accepted and I have to wait until 22nd June for the DWP to respond. I have been given a reference number. I have to gather my evidence now. I can I send in a state how my connections affect me to be more detailed. Can I send everything I sent the DWP previously.
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My appeal has been accepted and I have to wait until 22nd June for the DWP to respond. I have been given a reference number. I have to gather my evidence now. I can I send in a state how my connections affect me to be more detailed. Can I send everything I sent the DWP previously.
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