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7 hours 12 minutes ago #313976 by Katiee
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Continuing on from my assessment, I've received the decision letter today, dated 30th April.
As I expected , zero because my history shows no issues at all,and there's no evidence to prove my struggles.
I was diagnosed ADHD in 2024, and with fibromyalgia last year. I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety around 2000.
The decision letter states there is no 'evidence' to back up my 'claims' because I have no referrals, no falls, no hospital admissions etc. I was in intensive counselling for 4 or 5 months last year because of my depression, and I've had regular contact with the doctor prior to that for my mental health. I take medication for ADHD and fibromyalgia, which, funnily enough, I forget on a regular basis, but that wasn't mentioned in the assessors report
Despite being ADHD and autistic, there is 'no evidence of cognitive impairment'.
It's all much like this. I can drive so clearly don't have pain and I can understand signs & symbols, I haven't fallen and injured myself, I haven't got any referrals for (what they expect, I don't know)...
I'm truly baffled as to what evidence they actually expect to see. They took into consideration all evidence from my previous application, but that was prior to being diagnosed ADHD & with fibromyalgia, so I would consider that irrelevant, And I only sent in recent documents.
And now I think I'm rambling.
Basically, my questions are -
1. Can I get an extension on the 1 month mandatory reconsideration so I can respond properly?
2. What evidence do they expect to see? I told the assessor everything that I use to help around the house etc, but the decision letter states 'no prescribed aids' and the assessor didn't mention ANY of the things I said I use on a daily basis. I also have had grant awarded through Access to Work, but none of that was mentioned, and the report stated 'no adjustments or sick leave as claimant is self employed'. My doctors letter stated a period of sickness last year. This wS all supplied as evidence, but seems to have been ignored.
I don't know any more. Maybe it is all in my head and there's nothing wrong with me, I just love raging against the machine!
As I expected , zero because my history shows no issues at all,and there's no evidence to prove my struggles.
I was diagnosed ADHD in 2024, and with fibromyalgia last year. I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety around 2000.
The decision letter states there is no 'evidence' to back up my 'claims' because I have no referrals, no falls, no hospital admissions etc. I was in intensive counselling for 4 or 5 months last year because of my depression, and I've had regular contact with the doctor prior to that for my mental health. I take medication for ADHD and fibromyalgia, which, funnily enough, I forget on a regular basis, but that wasn't mentioned in the assessors report
Despite being ADHD and autistic, there is 'no evidence of cognitive impairment'.
It's all much like this. I can drive so clearly don't have pain and I can understand signs & symbols, I haven't fallen and injured myself, I haven't got any referrals for (what they expect, I don't know)...
I'm truly baffled as to what evidence they actually expect to see. They took into consideration all evidence from my previous application, but that was prior to being diagnosed ADHD & with fibromyalgia, so I would consider that irrelevant, And I only sent in recent documents.
And now I think I'm rambling.
Basically, my questions are -
1. Can I get an extension on the 1 month mandatory reconsideration so I can respond properly?
2. What evidence do they expect to see? I told the assessor everything that I use to help around the house etc, but the decision letter states 'no prescribed aids' and the assessor didn't mention ANY of the things I said I use on a daily basis. I also have had grant awarded through Access to Work, but none of that was mentioned, and the report stated 'no adjustments or sick leave as claimant is self employed'. My doctors letter stated a period of sickness last year. This wS all supplied as evidence, but seems to have been ignored.
I don't know any more. Maybe it is all in my head and there's nothing wrong with me, I just love raging against the machine!
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1 hour 17 minutes ago #313987 by LL26
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Replied by LL26 on topic Clarification on PIP report
Hi Katiee,
I just feel sometimes I need to Screammmm! Now breathe...
I really despair with DWP at times. The real answer to your question is you already have evidence but no one's interested. Just to put this all into context I know if someone who was sectioned twice within a year for 2 reasonably long periods each time. When released there was a lot of help provided and a care plan. Zero points were awarded because there was no evidence of ongoing mental health crisis. (Well no, because all of the intensive help provided helps to avoid this, but it's a knife edge and trigger activities have to be avoided.) These sort of examples happen all the time. Trouble is it's really annoying for claimants (and their advisors!)
Don't worry about the 1 month time limit. Any MR/or subsequent appeal must be considered if lodges within the first month. However a late MR or appeal can be sent in up to 13 months after the decision date if you can show good reason. Ill health, bereavement or other family crisis, late receipt of medical reports or DWP papers could all comprise a reasonable excuse.
Writing an MR letter
Fist state This Mandatory Reconsideration is late because....
Then a couple or so paragraphs about your health issues, explain the intensive counselling, what happened, did it work etc. Explain when and how you were diagnosed. Eg was there some sort of eureka moment when you realised that you couldn't do what friends were doing etc, explain any deteriorations, medications if any. Etc etc.
Mentions the aids, access to work
Then you could say (yes I have actually written this before on MR)
I enclose the following medical reports
1. X report dated...
2. Y report dated...
....
10. Z report....
Then say These are copies of the reports submitted again. These are resent as they appear to have been ignored previously.
Next, using a spare piece of paper initially, work out 4 or 5 bullet point criticisms of the assessment report. Give examples. You can use this to group ideas together. Using focused bullet points is much better than an essay! Once formulated, write the bullet points and examples into the actual MR letter.
Finally explain each relevant descriptor activity and say how you can't do this and what has gone wrong in the past etc. Then you can indicate the correct score. You can give a more in depth criticism of assessment or decision at this point. (But try to be brief, just a few sentences basically expanding on the bullet points perhaps .)
Remember to consider the 4 criteria -
Safety
Reasonable time
Repetition
Acceptable standard
Remember to put name and NI number on all pages.
Now, whether an MR will work is debatable. It can work, but often DWP just maintain their initial stance. That said occasionally they change their mind. But if not remember it is just part of the process, and success at tribunal is very achievable.
Let us know how you get on.
I hope this helps.
LL26
I just feel sometimes I need to Screammmm! Now breathe...
I really despair with DWP at times. The real answer to your question is you already have evidence but no one's interested. Just to put this all into context I know if someone who was sectioned twice within a year for 2 reasonably long periods each time. When released there was a lot of help provided and a care plan. Zero points were awarded because there was no evidence of ongoing mental health crisis. (Well no, because all of the intensive help provided helps to avoid this, but it's a knife edge and trigger activities have to be avoided.) These sort of examples happen all the time. Trouble is it's really annoying for claimants (and their advisors!)
Don't worry about the 1 month time limit. Any MR/or subsequent appeal must be considered if lodges within the first month. However a late MR or appeal can be sent in up to 13 months after the decision date if you can show good reason. Ill health, bereavement or other family crisis, late receipt of medical reports or DWP papers could all comprise a reasonable excuse.
Writing an MR letter
Fist state This Mandatory Reconsideration is late because....
Then a couple or so paragraphs about your health issues, explain the intensive counselling, what happened, did it work etc. Explain when and how you were diagnosed. Eg was there some sort of eureka moment when you realised that you couldn't do what friends were doing etc, explain any deteriorations, medications if any. Etc etc.
Mentions the aids, access to work
Then you could say (yes I have actually written this before on MR)
I enclose the following medical reports
1. X report dated...
2. Y report dated...
....
10. Z report....
Then say These are copies of the reports submitted again. These are resent as they appear to have been ignored previously.
Next, using a spare piece of paper initially, work out 4 or 5 bullet point criticisms of the assessment report. Give examples. You can use this to group ideas together. Using focused bullet points is much better than an essay! Once formulated, write the bullet points and examples into the actual MR letter.
Finally explain each relevant descriptor activity and say how you can't do this and what has gone wrong in the past etc. Then you can indicate the correct score. You can give a more in depth criticism of assessment or decision at this point. (But try to be brief, just a few sentences basically expanding on the bullet points perhaps .)
Remember to consider the 4 criteria -
Safety
Reasonable time
Repetition
Acceptable standard
Remember to put name and NI number on all pages.
Now, whether an MR will work is debatable. It can work, but often DWP just maintain their initial stance. That said occasionally they change their mind. But if not remember it is just part of the process, and success at tribunal is very achievable.
Let us know how you get on.
I hope this helps.
LL26
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