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17 hours 49 minutes ago #314231 by SMEG
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Jan 2025 I did a managed migration from income related ESA to UC. I'm on a mixed awsrd of UC and contributions based ESA.
UC Standard allowance Transitional Protection LCWRA.
All along ESA has been deducted from UC.
The uplift or increase in the UC standard allowance and LCWRA has reduced the TP.
My question is should the annual ESA increase also erode my TP because it hasn't done. Yes the overall ESA average amount, irrespective of whether it was £598.87 or £609.05 or now £623.23 has definitely been deducted from my UC but TP didn't reduce.
But at no point either a year ago or this month has my TP been reduced. TP was only reduced by the UC standard and LCWRA elements increases.
Google AI results say TP should be reduced as ESA increases but I couldn't find this info on the Government website or B&W guides.
I also lost out for the first assessment period where they underpaid me. B&W has since included this in a guide. I gained it back after a mandatory reconsideration.
I've also been overpaid twice. They only gave me 3 correct payments without a deduction and then overpaid me the second time. All this makes a farce of the managed migrarion and over complicates things. I find it difficult to trust whether they're ever getting things right.
So please get back to me and advise if contributions based ESA increases should be reducing TP as well as the average amount being deducted from UC. Please help me with a source so I can read the right documents. Many thanks
UC Standard allowance Transitional Protection LCWRA.
All along ESA has been deducted from UC.
The uplift or increase in the UC standard allowance and LCWRA has reduced the TP.
My question is should the annual ESA increase also erode my TP because it hasn't done. Yes the overall ESA average amount, irrespective of whether it was £598.87 or £609.05 or now £623.23 has definitely been deducted from my UC but TP didn't reduce.
But at no point either a year ago or this month has my TP been reduced. TP was only reduced by the UC standard and LCWRA elements increases.
Google AI results say TP should be reduced as ESA increases but I couldn't find this info on the Government website or B&W guides.
I also lost out for the first assessment period where they underpaid me. B&W has since included this in a guide. I gained it back after a mandatory reconsideration.
I've also been overpaid twice. They only gave me 3 correct payments without a deduction and then overpaid me the second time. All this makes a farce of the managed migrarion and over complicates things. I find it difficult to trust whether they're ever getting things right.
So please get back to me and advise if contributions based ESA increases should be reducing TP as well as the average amount being deducted from UC. Please help me with a source so I can read the right documents. Many thanks
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3 hours 45 minutes ago #314239 by David
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Hi SMEG
The way AI large language models work is they extract the relevant text from throughout the internet at a specific time and make an overall assessment from the various texts using prediction algorithms. So if for instance when the data was extracted about UC a lot of people on Reddit were making false claims and assumptions then that may be accepted by the AI platform. It won't make an effort to understand the UC Regs 2013 as a trainee human lawyer would do. What you have is an AI hallucination.
So as far as New Style ESA is concerned it is deducted £ for £ from the UC award and not the TP. It is the increase in the UC award ,such as when rent is increased or when the annual uprating occurs, that occasions a reduction in the TP.
There is a comprehensive guide on the subject from Housing Systems here :-
www.rightsnet.org.uk/pdfs/02-TE-all-lega...nefits-June-2024.pdf
David
The way AI large language models work is they extract the relevant text from throughout the internet at a specific time and make an overall assessment from the various texts using prediction algorithms. So if for instance when the data was extracted about UC a lot of people on Reddit were making false claims and assumptions then that may be accepted by the AI platform. It won't make an effort to understand the UC Regs 2013 as a trainee human lawyer would do. What you have is an AI hallucination.
So as far as New Style ESA is concerned it is deducted £ for £ from the UC award and not the TP. It is the increase in the UC award ,such as when rent is increased or when the annual uprating occurs, that occasions a reduction in the TP.
There is a comprehensive guide on the subject from Housing Systems here :-
www.rightsnet.org.uk/pdfs/02-TE-all-lega...nefits-June-2024.pdf
David
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