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WCA and CFS/ME

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10 years 9 months ago - 10 years 9 months ago #108495 by Alexine
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Hello,

Following the changes to the WCA which took effect in January this year, does anyone know whether ME/CFS sufferers are being assessed under the Physical Assessment or the Mental/Cognitive Assessment?
Thanks,

Alexine
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10 years 9 months ago #108498 by Gordon
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Alexine wrote: Hello,

Following the changes to the WCA which took effect in January this year, does anyone know whether ME/CFS sufferers are being assessed under the Physical Assessment or the Mental/Cognitive Assessment?
Thanks,

Alexine


I am afraid not, as far as we are aware there is still no definitive DWP document that states whether any illness or disability is physical, a mental health issue, or a combination of the two, our best advice is to complete the ESA50 as it fits your limitations and see what happens.

What I would say is that many sufferers of chronic conditions such as ME/CFS also suffer from depression and it may be difficult to distinguish the effects of one from the other.

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  • bro58
10 years 9 months ago - 10 years 9 months ago #108499 by bro58
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Hi A,

As Gordon says, fill in the physical and mental health sections as applicable to your own limitations.

Let ATOS and The DWP DM decide which is applicable.

This document :

www.actionforme.org.uk/Resources/Action%...n-form-facstheet.pdf

From this page : www.actionforme.org.uk/get-informed/publications/

May be helpful if used in conjunction with our guides.

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10 years 9 months ago - 10 years 9 months ago #108516 by Alexine
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Ok, many thanks for your help. The reason I asked was that at my Atos assessment last year, the problems I have with fatigue only scored points under the mental/cognitive test, and I was put in the WRAG. Following a Reconsideration, I was placed in the SG on the grounds of limited mobility which had not been acknowleged by the Atos assessor. I also have problems with sitting and standing. If I am only assessed on the mental/cognitive test this time, I am likely to be put back in the WRAG or even found fit for work, which is very worrying, but I will just have to see how things pan out.

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10 years 9 months ago #108521 by Gordon
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Alexine wrote: Ok, many thanks for your help. The reason I asked was that at my Atos assessment last year, the problems I have with fatigue only scored points under the mental/cognitive test, and I was put in the WRAG. Following a Reconsideration, I was placed in the SG on the grounds of limited mobility which had not been acknowleged by the Atos assessor. I also have problems with sitting and standing. If I am only assessed on the mental/cognitive test this time, I am likely to be put back in the WRAG or even found fit for work, which is very worrying, but I will just have to see how things pan out.

Alexine


I wish that we could give a more definitive answer to you and others in the same boat, if it helps ME/CFS is most likely to be defined as a physical condition rather than a Mental Health one, as this is the DLA definition of it to allow claims for DLA Mobility, see the following for more details

www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-g...ic-fatigue-syndrome/

The guidance to DWP Decision Makers is limited on this subject but there are some examplea which illustrates their thought process.

Example 1
Brian suffers from rheumatoid arthritis in his hands and knees, and claims ESA. In the questionnaire Brian states that due to cognitive and mental impairment he has difficulty with learning tasks, awareness of hazards and completing personal actions. At the medical examination, Brian explains that the high level of painkillers he takes for his arthritis makes him too tired to concentrate. The HCP advises that Brian is mentally disabled by the medication, but not sufficiently to satisfy any mental health descriptors. Brian scores 6 points for mobility problems.

Example 2
Rita is injured in an accident which leaves her with significant mobility problems and facial scarring. Rita also suffers from depression and social anxiety disorder as a result of the accident. Meeting people outside her immediate family brings on a panic attack, so she avoids this. She scores 6 points for mobility problems arising from her physical health condition, and 9 points for coping with social engagement arising from her mental health condition.

Example 3
Ailsa suffers from mechanical back pain. She states that she has difficulties with mobilising as well as getting about unless she has someone with her. The HCP advises that Ailsa’s need for assistance with getting about is only due to her physical problems. The DM determines that Ailsa does not score any points for mental health descriptors.

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  • del
10 years 9 months ago #108537 by del
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Gordon wrote:

Alexine wrote: Ok, many thanks for your help. The reason I asked was that at my Atos assessment last year, the problems I have with fatigue only scored points under the mental/cognitive test, and I was put in the WRAG. Following a Reconsideration, I was placed in the SG on the grounds of limited mobility which had not been acknowleged by the Atos assessor. I also have problems with sitting and standing. If I am only assessed on the mental/cognitive test this time, I am likely to be put back in the WRAG or even found fit for work, which is very worrying, but I will just have to see how things pan out.

Alexine


I wish that we could give a more definitive answer to you and others in the same boat, if it helps ME/CFS is most likely to be defined as a physical condition rather than a Mental Health one, as this is the DLA definition of it to allow claims for DLA Mobility, see the following for more details

www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/specialist-g...ic-fatigue-syndrome/

The guidance to DWP Decision Makers is limited on this subject but there are some examplea which illustrates their thought process.

Example 1
Brian suffers from rheumatoid arthritis in his hands and knees, and claims ESA. In the questionnaire Brian states that due to cognitive and mental impairment he has difficulty with learning tasks, awareness of hazards and completing personal actions. At the medical examination, Brian explains that the high level of painkillers he takes for his arthritis makes him too tired to concentrate. The HCP advises that Brian is mentally disabled by the medication, but not sufficiently to satisfy any mental health descriptors. Brian scores 6 points for mobility problems.

Example 2
Rita is injured in an accident which leaves her with significant mobility problems and facial scarring. Rita also suffers from depression and social anxiety disorder as a result of the accident. Meeting people outside her immediate family brings on a panic attack, so she avoids this. She scores 6 points for mobility problems arising from her physical health condition, and 9 points for coping with social engagement arising from her mental health condition.

Example 3
Ailsa suffers from mechanical back pain. She states that she has difficulties with mobilising as well as getting about unless she has someone with her. The HCP advises that Ailsa’s need for assistance with getting about is only due to her physical problems. The DM determines that Ailsa does not score any points for mental health descriptors.

Gordon


From my past experiences I am beginning to think it is treated as physical and the cognitive issues treated as stemming from physical symptoms :evil:

I do not know if it will make any difference but I would suggest if you suffer from both make that extremely clear. For instance if you suffer from physical exhaustion and mental exhaustion list both individually and explain fully how each of them affect you.

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