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Re:Coming Off ESA for foreseeable future & NI ?

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10 years 6 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #112028 by James
In the post of some days ago NI contributions were mentioned:can I just clarify the following questions sort of yes or no?
1)You cant be called for a medical within 6 months of one?
2)When your years' ESA (CB) ends your State paid NI contributions cease until such time as you find work or start to receive benefit once again?
3)That a person who say at 50 becomes no longer entitled to Benefits for whatever reason has to wait until they are 66 before they get benefit again.(In the form of a pension)
4)I suppose I am confirming that the Govt will not pay NI contributions for people who are not in the benefits receipt system though UK nationals etc.
This will result in the example above of a 16 year shortfall in their eventually credit total resulting in a reduced pension by the amount of shortfall eg paid up contributions =30 years unpaid 16 years=
a weekly pension amount of c.one third less than the standard rate every week after 66?
A frightening prospect but things might change like Pensions might become means tested.
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10 years 6 months ago #112030 by Gordon
James

To try and answer your questions.

1. The minimum period is three months from the date of the previous Decision.

2. Assuming there is no on-going payment of ESA(IR)

- If your ESA(CB) is time limited by the 365 day rule then you will continue to receive NI Credits, which count towards a full State Pension providing you continue to maintain your Limited Capability for Work, this will require regular re-assessment.

- If your ESA(CB) ends for another reason, for example you close the claim, then no NI Credits are payable.

3. There is no restriction on a person of 50+ applying for other benefits providing they meet the eligibility criteria for the benefit.

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10 years 6 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #112033 by James
That helps.But its not good news.The ESA (CB)is expected to run out after a year,if its possible to make to the end of a year.It doesnt look like its going to be possible to either maintain a limited capabilityy for work position for more than ayear nor apply for ESA IR.Its all the work placements and interviews and continuous re assements and pressure.
Its all too much.
Thanks anyway
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10 years 6 months ago #112034 by slugsta

James wrote: It doesnt look like its going to be possible to either maintain a limited capabilityy for work position for more than a year


Why do you assume that? You would not be obliged to attend WFIs etc once payment had finished.

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10 years 6 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #112057 by James
How Do You mean Mrs.Hurtyback?."You wouldnt have WFIs once payment had finished".Can you please clarify I dont understand?
You mean if you "survive" a year of WFIs and possible job placements plus a possible second Medical during that time (confirming membership of WRAG)
and your ESA CB is exhausted after that 365 days then where do you stand.
Options:
1)get a job
2)become unavailable for work ie off benefits completly but not in work.
3)apply for IR ESA if you qualify or JSA.
if you get IR ESA then are you saying there are no more WFIs or medicals?
That you are not in the WRAG any more if youve been in a year?
THat WRAG placement only lasts one year and if you havent got a job at the end of that year still you can go onto ESA IR but no longer need to attend anymore WFIs or anything?
ie you are on indefintely assuming you can pass 6 monthly medicals.?
So what happens at medical after a year in WRAG?they just place you as "unfit for work"as in the old days?I dont know but would be interested to know.
I think this is what the Govt meant slipping through the net?
But tougher new redoubled efforts might be applied then to suich "escapees"?
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10 years 6 months ago #112060 by Gordon
James

If you are eligible for ESA(IR) and remain in the WRAG then you are still required to participate in Work Related Activity. In addition to WFIs you can also be forwarded to the Work Programme.

If you are not eligible for ESA(IR) and you continue to have Limited Capability for Work i.e. you do ot claim another benefit or start work. You will continue to receive NI Credits subject to your being re-assessed at intervals. You will not be required to participate in WRA. If at any time your condition deteriorates or you have a new condition which would qualify you for the Support Group, then you can ask to be re-assessed and if successful, your ESA(CB) will be re-instated.

If you claim JSA or start work or cancel your LCW by any other means, not participating in an assessment for example, you lose the ability to report a changed condition, you can make a new claim for ESA but you will need to meet the ESA(CB) or ESA(IR) eligibility criteria from scratch, for ESA(CB) this will mean re-establishing your NI Contribution history.

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