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DLA to PIP 3 months 4 weeks ago #235577

Hi everyone, this is my first post here. I received a letter yesterday telling me my DLA is stopping and to claim PIP. Like most people this fills me with horror and I've been dreading that letter since they announced the change years ago! I've been on an indefinite award of care and mobility since 2006. I have complex conditions and have had 14 operations since 2001. I have bi polar and chronic anxiety, which is now threatening to completely engulf me, also polyarthritis. It was simple before the change, if you needed crutches to walk you were eligible but now it seems that you are not. My conditions vary greatly day by day. The question I am concerned with now is that I moved last year and my new GP does not know much about me.
When I fill in the forms, is it acceptable to print some of my medical record that I can access online? I have the letters from some of my consultations at hospital, should I send those? Last time I was assessed for DLA I sent all my appointment cards for the various clinics I attended, they gave me the award within 2 weeks without even getting a gp report. I doubt that will happen now! I am so nervous I have palpitations already. :(

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DLA to PIP 3 months 4 weeks ago #235580

Hi supergreatgran

Welcome to the forum, you might want to have a look at the following FAQ which explains where everything is

Welcome to Benefits and Work

You are right that PIP is substantially different from DLA and the criteria are stricter. PIP was engineered to be a more difficult to award than DLA.

DLA looks at generic care needs in regard to bodily functions, PIP looks at the claimants' specific ability to carry out an activity such as eating. DLA was awarded because the claimant needed an amount of care (in time) during the day, the night of both, to help them with that bodily function. PIP looks at the claimant's ability to complete specific tasks within the activity and is points-based, these are clearly defined and it is easy not to score points because the claimant has not shown that they meet those specific criteria.

DLA treated the use of aids as reason to reduce the amount of care needed, PIP treats aids as an indication of disability and in general they score extra points.

DLA's care need was reasonably generic, PIP treats prompting, assistance and supervision as different activities and as a result they can score different points.

DLA required that the care was required for the majority of the time, for PIP it is the majority of days.

For PIP activities must be completed reliably, this means

• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.

Although DLA considers these terms, they are poorly defined as they are implemented through Case Law rather than being defined in the legislation as they are for PIP.

So DLA referred to Cutting up food, eating or drinking, PIP looks at

a. Can take nutrition unaided. 0 points.
b. Needs –
(i) to use an aid or appliance to be able to take nutrition; or
(ii) supervision to be able to take nutrition; or
(iii) assistance to be able to cut up food. 2 points.
c. Needs a therapeutic source to be able to take nutrition. 2 points.
d. Needs prompting to be able to take nutrition. 4 points.
e. Needs assistance to be able to manage a therapeutic source to take nutrition. 6 points.
f. Cannot convey food and drink to their mouth and needs another person to do so. 10 points.

The best thing you can do is to have a look at the PIP guide because although it is large it will help you answer each one of the questions. It will also help you to answer when you have a condition that may vary from day to day.

Sending medical evidence you have is always useful - just try to make sure that it is relevant. Do not send any appointment letters - the DWP actually say they do not want these.


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DLA to PIP 3 months 3 weeks ago #235604

Thank you BIS, that is very helpful. I have downloaded the files and my daughter is going to help me with it all. It is so scary, especially when things can vary so much that one day I can get out and another can barely move. There are so many horror stories I feel like it will be thrown out instantly, but my family laughed and said there's no chance it will be thrown out. Apparently I need to get a cctv installed so I can see myself as they see me. I think I'll pass on that one :laugh:

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DLA to PIP 3 months 3 weeks ago #235625

Keep a diary for the next few weeks, this can not only help you see how your daily life is affected, thus helping when completing your form, but also provide extra anecdotal evidence to send in.

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DLA to PIP 3 months 3 weeks ago #235650

Thank you Karen's, I was thinking it is too late to start a diary but if it is going to take a while it will be worth it. How long do we have the forms before they have to be back? I am going away next week for 3 weeks with family. I have to call before 2nd September to start a claim.

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