Labour is prepared to risk a backbench revolt by allowing a vote on cuts to Personal Independence Payment (PIP), in order to be sure it can breach claimants’ human rights without worrying about legal repercussions, Benefits and Work believes. 

When the Pathways to Work Green paper was published, it contained the surprising information that the changes to PIP scores and the cuts to universal credit (UC) payments would be introduced by primary legislation – an Act of Parliament.

Surprising, because these changes would normally be done using Statutory Instruments (SIs).  This is delegated legislation that does not require a vote in Parliament, just a signature from the secretary of state.

A vote carries real risks.

Given that the Tories will undoubtedly be in favour of the cuts, the risk is not that Labour might lose the vote.

But if a sizeable number of backbenchers revolt, real damage may be done to the Labour leadership and to party cohesion. A large enough uprising might even threaten the careers of Reeves or Kendall – perhaps even be the beginning of the end for Starmer himself .

In the face of overwhelming discontent, it seems likely Labour would abandon the whole plan rather than risk a showdown.

SIs, on the other hand, are extremely difficult to get a ballot on in Parliament.  There is a process whereby MPs can “pray against” an SI and potentially vote on it.  But it is a complex and seldom successful process.  The last time an SI was overturned in this way in the Commons was almost half a century ago.

So, why give MPs and Lords a vote on a highly controversial issue when it isn’t at all necessary?

The argument that it is being done in the interests of democracy is not one that can be taken seriously.  Not when Labour have refused to consult with the public, and particularly disabled claimants, over these changes which will have such a dramatic effect on their lives.

But there is a more obvious reason.

SIs can be challenged in court, usually by judicial review, and have some of their provisions removed or the entire instrument quashed.  The Human Rights Act is often the basis of such challenges.

In truth, successful challenges are very rare.

One study found that between 2014 and 2020 there were just 14 successful challenges of delegated legislation using the Human Rights Act, in spite of thousands of SIs being enacted every year.

It’s worth noting, though, that four of those cases were in connection with regulations made under the Welfare Reform Act 2012.

The situation is very different where an Act of Parliament, rather than an SI, is involved.

In the UK, parliament is sovereign. Because an act has gone through the whole extensive democratic process of scrutiny and debate by both the Commons and the Lords, courts cannot overturn the provisions of an Act of Parliament.

The most they can do is inform the government that particular provisions of an act are in breach of, for example, the Human Rights Act or the Equality Act.

But the government does not have to do anything about the court’s findings.  It can simply shrug its shoulders and carry on regardless.

Benefits and Work suspects that the DWP have very strong grounds to fear that both the changes to the PIP points system and the cuts to the LCWRA element of UC are in breach of the Human Rights Act and/or the Equality Act.

And that, we believe, is why they are to be made law via a single Act of Parliament that the courts can’t touch.

Once again, we remind readers that In the Green paper, the DWP claim that “We are committed to putting the views and voices of disabled people and people with health conditions at the heart of everything we do.”

Disabled people’s human rights, on the other hand, can be safely ignored.

Visit our What you can do page for at least eight actions you can take right now to challenge the Green Paper.  

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    · 1 months ago
    Hi I work part time and get pip I suffer from autism my question is will autism be removed from the eligibility for pip please can someone answer this please as I’m worried I lose my pip
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      · 20 days ago
      @John Pip does not qualify from the condition itself but how it effects you. Some people with autism won't qualify and some will. 
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      · 22 days ago
      @John Hi John, why not ask your MP? No, one seems to have any ideas on what is happening. It is a very stupid thought out plan by a government who don't  seem to know what they are doing. I read in the newspaper there is going to be several court actions when people suddenly end up losing their PIP + their conditions have not improved. This government should be utterly ashamed of themselves. They talk of wanting to lower the benefits bill, but you don't  hear Stammer or Rachel Reeves talk of wanting to save money on MPs expenses or MPs over generous salaries. My partner was saying the only people who are cheating the taxpayer is the MPs who are claiming all sorts of things on expenses. 
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      · 23 days ago
      @Holly Aren't they: We read an article that said if these changes go ahead, even people with dementia could end up on the streets because they will no longer qualify for PIP. Well, if an old person with dementia is not safe, then no one is. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @James Even if you don't get someone helping you like a carer or relative it doesn't matter there are lots of disabled people under this category so they couldn't use that against you it would be discrimination
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      · 1 months ago
      @John Pip is based on how your disability effects you I don't think they are going to take it of autistic people
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    · 1 months ago
    hello everyone. Please see the lengthy response I received yesterday evening from my local MP in response to my letter regarding PIP (please see the thread under Liz Kendall's speech).


    Dear Matthew,

    Thank you for your email regarding the Government’s announcement on disability benefits.

    Firstly, I want to acknowledge that any change to the welfare system brings with it very strong feelings, and I understand why that it is. My sister was born with severe disabilities, and I know that people instinctively and rightly want to protect those who need the most protection. That is my instinct too.

    I have spoken to ministers in advance of these announcements to make clear my position that there will always be people with severe health conditions or disabilities meaning that they cannot work – and that they should continue to be supported. I also don’t support any language that will stigmatise people with long-term conditions. I am pleased that Ministers have reflected these conversations in the new policy proposals; people with severe lifelong conditions who will never work will now receive an additional premium to give them financial security, which did not exist before.

    In addition, a lot of people have been in contact with me to object to the Tory proposals to pay disability benefits in vouchers – the Labour Government is committed to not bringing in proposals for vouchers. Speaking in the House of Commons, the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, Liz Kendall, also announced that there will be:
    •    Permanent above-inflation rises to universal credit – for the first time ever.
    •    No benefits reassessments for those who have a severe, lifelong disability.
    •    Stronger income protection for those who have paid in as they get back on track.
    •    No freeze on Personal Independence Payments (PIP).
    •    No means testing of PIP.
    •    No change to the mobility component of PIP.

    However, there should be nuance within this discussion. While there are not going to be cuts to the welfare system – it will continue to rise substantially – these changes aim will lower the steep rate of increase. After 14 years of failure the Conservative government left our welfare system in a woeful state – especially for those who are disabled or have a long-term illness, and especially for people who want to work but who feel locked out of it.

    People with long-term conditions and disabled people who can and want to work should have the same right to work and the same right to choices and opportunities as everyone else. From colleagues in Parliament with a range of disabilities, to the young man with Down Syndrome I met who was working in a restaurant in Exeter, many people living with disabilities already work, and want to work with the right support and adaptations.

    Indeed, here in Exeter we also have a fantastic team at PLUSS whom I have visited on several occasions. Their disability employment specialists work closely with people with disabilities to help them find employment that works for them. The "Ability not Disability" (AnD) programme, led by Learn Devon, has also helped over 200 people with disabilities into education, employment, or training. The scheme includes a "Job Guarantee" initiative, matching disabled individuals with employers for three months of paid work and training. This has led to many participants securing full-time positions, significantly boosting their independence and confidence.

    These are the sort of programmes we need to see more of, to help people to come off benefits and live their lives with dignity and purpose – and I’m very pleased that £1 billion of new funding will go into these services as part of these changes.

    The system built up by the Tories over 14 years has had the effect of writing off hundreds of thousands of people’s life chances, trapping them in a life of inactivity then blaming them for a rising benefits bill. This is not right, and this government aims to fix it.

    At present, the Work Capability Assessment asks people to demonstrate their incapacity to work to determine their access to financial support, based on an outdated and binary concept of ‘fit for work’ or ‘not fit for work’ – this does not reflect the complex reality and fluctuating nature of modern health, the range of jobs and adaptations available in the labour market, and the individuals who are actually affected by the system. We will therefore abolish the WCA and merge payments with PIP, to take out the unnecessary stress and time of undergoing two separate processes.

    The UK system is an international outlier – while many countries have seen a decrease in people claiming working-age sickness and disability benefits between 2019-2023, the UK has seen an over 30% increase in people claiming disability benefits and an over 20% rise in people claiming incapacity benefits.

    Research clearly shows that many economically inactive people want to work, if given the right support. Indeed, the welfare charity Z2K notes that 90% of claimants they have dealt with are afraid of looking for work due to the risk of losing their health-related benefits. This is clearly a system that isn’t working for anyone. So, the government will reduce the perceived risk of working, introducing a ‘right to try’ by legislating to guarantee that work in and of itself will never lead to someone being called for a reassessment. This is in addition to rules in place which allow people to try work and return to their old benefit without the need for reassessment if it doesn’t work out.

    In addition, when people are found to have ‘limited capability’ they often have no further engagement with the Jobcentre and therefore receive no routine support to develop and achieve their goals or overcome their challenges to move towards meaningful activity and work. Once people enter the Limited Capability Work Related Activity group less than 1% of people move into work each month. It is a national scandal that the Tories – and the Liberal Democrats who supported them for five of the last 14 years - have let people with long term conditions and disabilities in our communities down in this way.

    The Labour Government has the incredibly difficult task of fixing the huge economic and human cost of the Tories’ system. Since the pandemic, total spending on incapacity and disability benefits for working-age adults has soared from around £30 billion to around £50 billion, an increase of almost two-thirds, with the final bill by the end of this Parliament set to hit over £70 billion, a rise of a further £18 billion. £70 billion is more than a third of our current NHS budget and more than three times what we currently spend on policing and keeping our communities safe.

    There are also 5.2 million people with a long-term health condition who are out of work and economically inactive - of which, 2.8 million give long-term sickness as the main reason for being inactive. 1.8 million of our young people between 16-25 are not in education, employment or training. This is a monumental waste of potential for those individuals.

    The Conservative ideology underpinning our current welfare system for fourteen years has been characterised by the sheer scale of human potential it has squandered.

    This is why Labour’s approach to any reforms will be guided by 5 key principles:
    •    Protecting disabled people who are unable to work and support them to live with dignity.
    •    Stopping people from falling into long-term economic inactivity through early intervention and prevention.
    •    Restoring trust and fairness in the system by fixing the broken assessment process that drives people into dependency on welfare.
    •    Delivering better and more tailored employment support to get more people off welfare and into work - alongside a higher expectation to engage with that support.
    •    Ensuring the system is financially sustainable to keep providing for those who need it most.

    I understand how disconcerting it can be to those who claim these forms of benefits when there are going to be changes, and if this is your situation, please see the FAQs I have added to the end of this email.

    But without reform the welfare system will leave more and more people trapped in a life of unemployment and inactivity. I am committed to action that will fix our broken social security system, guided by the principles set out above, so that it supports those who can work to do so and protects those who cannot, whilst also putting welfare spending on a more sustainable path to unlock economic growth as part of our mandate for change.

    The Government is also taking decisive action to improve the lives of disabled people immediately. I welcome the £800 million investment in disability employment support announced in the Autumn Budget, as well as the redeployment of 1,000 work coaches to provide tailored help to sick and disabled people. It is also important that businesses are encouraged to create inclusive environments for disabled employees – so we can promote their recruitment and retention.

    Labour values are built on a simple but powerful idea: that every individual, regardless of background or circumstance, should have the support they need to make the most of their lives. Everyone who is capable of working deserves the security, dignity and autonomy that employment offers. There are some people who are not able to work, and it is vital that they are treated with compassion and respect. For those that can, it is equally critical that we restore the pathways to opportunity which are currently lacking for millions of people.

    On a last point, it is important to recognise that the welfare and benefits system must also be fair to taxpayers - it is unsustainable to allow a system to continue that traps people who can and want to work into unemployment and a life on benefits, while leaving people who work and pay tax to pick up an ever-larger bill.

    Please be assured I am committed to supporting people with long-term conditions and people with disabilities in our community. I will continue to monitor the Government’s plans and ensure the voices of disabled people are central to - and heard throughout - this process. I will also continue to support Exeter residents to access their correct benefits – if you or anyone you know in the Exeter constituency needs support, please do use this email to be in touch.

    With best wishes,



    Steve Race MP


    FAQs

    1. Will I still get my payments as normal?

    Yes, please be assured there will be no immediate changes to your health and disability related benefit payment. For more information about the proposed changes to health and disability benefits please visit https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper

    2. Will my claim be affected?

    No, there will be no immediate changes to your health and disability-related claim. If you have made a claim or are getting a health and disability-related benefit you should continue to contact us as usual and provide any information or changes to your circumstances and current needs.

    For more information about the proposed changes to health and disability benefits please visit https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper

    3. When will the changes to health and disability benefits be made?

    We are consulting on our proposed changes to health and disability benefits. The consultation will be open for at least 12 weeks and no changes will be made until we have reviewed all the responses, please see https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper

    4. Will my benefits change immediately?

    No, please be assured there will be no immediate changes to your health and disability related benefit payment. For more information about the proposed changes to health and disability benefits please see https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper

    5. I’ve submitted a claim but haven’t heard the outcome, will my claim be affected?

    No, there will be no immediate changes to your health and disability related claim. If you have made a claim or are getting a health and disability related benefit you should continue to contact us as usual and provide any information or changes to your circumstances and current needs.

    For more information about the proposed changes to health and disability benefits please see https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper




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      · 29 days ago
      @Matt
      LOTS of lies hiding in that MP's response. Why not stop money being stolen from the taxpayer via private profit? Why can other nations afford a higher tax rate and better social welfare system? The examples of working disabled vs severely disabled given are cheesy stereotypes. Everyone can see Downs Syndrome and most people don't justify abuse or negative discrimination. Autism on the other hand, and trauma, people hate you for it. My own family stigmatise it and abuse me for it. What hope the low-paid jobsworths at the Jobcentre are going to be kind enough? The work advisors I have had in the past said: "I hate people like you". Always nice to hear. I wasn't chipper and motivated enough apparently. Perhaps I just needed a bit of LOVE for once! Not hate. I ended up getting a totally inappropriate job, stuck it out for the max 12 months whilst being constantly bullied. The stress of doing that for the Government turned me into an alcoholic, losing me more money than the £20 I got to keep on top of my benefit (about £75 total at the time). All this and I had undiagnosed cPTSD and possible PD, severe depression, anxiety, sleep disorder, ADHD and Autism with a background of sometimes-severe childhood abuse, ongoing as an undiagnosed Autistic adult, very vulnerable. Lots of untreated physical ailments, too. GPs useless. Not ONCE have I met a competent professional working for the Government in mental health or Autism. All selfish blaggers and chancers. Which humiliates and re-humiliates you, over and over. I put myself through that crap tens of times. I cannot do it any more! Feels like it is designed to make you die. Them lying **** first!
      This is WHY "when people are found to have ‘limited capability’ they often have no further engagement with the Jobcentre and therefore receive no routine support to develop and achieve their goals or overcome their challenges to move towards meaningful activity and work." WHY WOULD WE PUT OURSELVES THROUGH THAT NEGLIGENCE AND ABUSE BY SELFISH TARGET-CHASING BOX-TICKERS?

      "Once people enter the Limited Capability Work Related Activity group less than 1% of people move into work each month." ER THAT IS BY DESIGN, YOU LYING ****! If they were fit for "Work Related Activity", then they'd BE engaging with the JC, that is literally the distinction's PURPOSE, to not hassle people who will be harmed by it. Like me. Zero-empathy sociopaths. Shame on Steve Race - this Tory Green Paper treats people as objects and 'useless eaters'.
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    · 1 months ago
    These cuts seem far worse than 2010 austerity measures on benefits yet apparently we are not returning to austerity. Well it doesn't feel like it from what Reeves and Toolmaker are doing to us and others in society.
    There has to be some cuts but this is going to far
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      · 29 days ago
      @M No, there DON'T have to be some cuts, stop falling for that brainwashing! The rich are constantly squeezing trapped markets in corrupt 'rent seeking' behaviour, avoiding tax and Austerity is a LIE. That hasn't changed. The rich are getting richer faster than before. The money is simply being diverted from tax and social spending, which isn't a worse use of it than it being greedily hoarded by the rich. The (super-) rich don't inherently create wealth, but they do inherently hoard it!
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    · 1 months ago
    They've said that the WCA will be scrapped in 2028. They've also said that the new single assessment will come into effect from Nov. 2026.

    If someone currently on LCWRA is called for a reassessment, say sometime in 2027, will they be reassessed with the WCA, which will be still in place, or with the new terrifying single assessment?

    Thanks.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Scorpion lwca and wca are for universal credit claim it's just all stupid im refused pip for myself because I get carers allowance for my daughter and yet it's ok to be working full time on pip 
      yet lwca on universal credit is about the fact that your not even able to do anything jobcentre meeting and they are then able to keep their 420 for the fact even if they are in work now it's just all about joke
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      · 1 months ago
      @Scorpion The PIP 4 point change is from Nov 2026, its still only a PIP assessment.
      So if you get called in for a LCW assessment, it will be a WCA.
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    · 1 months ago
    My understanding is that the PIP changes would need to be done via an affirmative SI, which is rarer than the usual procedure and would need a full vote in both Commons and Lords to proceed. Given there would need to be a vote regardless, it’s less surprising they’d go the primary legislation option 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Katie Yes Katie, ordinarily it would have needed to have been done via affirmative SI, as the High Court ruled on this due to the attempt by the Tories to have scrapped LWCA. A very brave lady took this on and won. Setting precedent. SI and delegated legislation much quicker too.

      This is WHY Starmer and co., knew (Starmer being a former Human Rights Lawyer and head of prosecutions) that the only way that he could do this was to go down the route that they have taken to make it Law because Sovereign Law is supreme and as such the High Court is UNABLE to overrule. 

      However, I wonder if you may be onto something here. While it is still at the green
      paper stage!

      Under the Salisbury convention if the white paper proceeds to  The House of Lords is unable to challenge bills that were included in an election Party Bill.

      So, for example, welfare reform was a promise that Labour elected on a promise to deliver. The Lords therefore when the white paper to them the Lords cannot legislate against this. As NO party holds a majority seat in the House of Lords.

      Under the 1911-1949 Parliament Act Lords can delay legislation by up to one year. However, if a Bill were to remain in The Lords for up to a year it will still pass without approval.


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    · 1 months ago
    I originally got this from The Big Issue


    https://www.bigissue.com/opinion/benefits-cuts-disabled-people-poverty-z2k/


    Labour's rushed cuts to benefits will see severely disabled people plunged into deep poverty
    Anela Anwar, chief executive at anti-poverty charity Z2K, writes about her concerns for disabled people ahead of Labour's benefits cuts
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      · 1 months ago
      @Harry We all agree with Anela's opinion but I doubt it will stop the Government. Just like warnings from charities didn't stop them cutting the fuel allowance for pensioners.
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    · 1 months ago
    This is a good email template which I got from Z2K 
    Just Copy and Paste or edit accordingly, hope it helps 




    As a resident of ( your constituency) I am asking you to speak out against the devastating cuts to support for disabled people that the government has announced. 

    Estimates suggest that planned restrictions to the eligibility criteria for Personal Independence Payment (PIP) could see at least 800,000 disabled people lose out on support of at least £4,200 per year. 

    Evidence from Z2K’s advice services suggests that the plans are poorly targeted and will see people who are severely disabled being denied vital support. Those who will lose out as a result of the plans include double amputees, people with psychosis and stroke survivors. People who are deemed to have the most severe conditions, those receiving the ‘enhanced’ rate, will be among those affected by the planned measures.  

    What’s more, the cuts to PIP are accompanied by a nearly 50% cut to support for seriously ill and disabled people who can’t work because of their health. At a time when 77% of those receiving universal credit and disability benefits are already struggling to cover the essentials, this will lead to increasing numbers of disabled people having to choose between eating and heating.

    It’s clear that our health and disability benefits system needs reform, but these rushed, poorly thought-out cuts are not the answer. We can’t return to the same old failed approach of prioritising short-term savings over meaningful reform – an approach which has been shown to fail to generate any savings for government in the long run.  

    Will you speak out against these dangerous plans, by tabling a question to the department or writing privately to ministers asking them to reconsider? You can reach out to Z2K for further information and support, at policycampaigns@z2k.org.  

    I urge you to defend vital benefits and make sure our social security system is something we can all be proud of.  

    I look forward to hearing from you.
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    · 1 months ago
    Can I ask if it’s also true that the government is also looking  to make disabled people with certain disability’s no longer to be eligible to be on pip 
    As I read on line that 

    That the government as well as tightening the criteria is also looking to exclude several conditions previously deemed eligible

    While the DWP has not yet published the full list, reports indicate that the 87 conditions being reconsidered primarily fall under musculoskeletal disorders. These may include:

    Osteoarthritis
    Rheumatoid arthritis
    Chronic pain syndrome
    Fibromyalgia
    Inflammatory arthritis
    Spinal disorders (e.g., degenerative disc disease, scoliosis)
    Hip and knee replacements
    Neuropathic pain conditions
    Tendonitis and bursitis

    Is this true is the government also looking to exclude disability’s such as the above from being on pip 

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      · 1 months ago
      @Mr Fibro I do NOT know what we are accepted to take it as anything or nothing anymore However, PIP and formerly DLA was NEVER to have been a working benefit this is why I do NOT understand how any of this is being allowed by the current Government on the green paper proposals. It certainly was NEVER have intended to have been a means tested benefit.

      That is WHY it does NOT matter how wealthy you are or are NOT a person if DISABLED for life was entitled to it. Whether you worked or NOT.

      However, if UNABLE to work because of it PIP has NOW dictated how much ESA, UC that you receive. Therefore, making it means tested
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      · 1 months ago
      @Jonny I agree Jonny there is a lot of this going on at present. In particular over musculoskeletal conditions.

      Whether there is an element of truth behind it or NOT who knows the area where I live there certainly has been a shift in the attitude of the NHS regarding musculoskeletal conditions to include if you are over 50 even if you have always lived with bone disease and disabling conditions that your GP is unable to refer you straight to scan even when FULLY aware, when you are in a totally incapacitated state. As do your consultants. That an MSK clinician has been given the power to deny or allow the scans that you desperately need. My GP practice referred to it as a business decision! Business decisions overriding clinical decisions. 

      At present circulation of opinions by a NON reputable source is adding to the fear and distress that the Government has caused.

      Therefore. perhaps this has led to some generating reports. In their opinion either way it is just adding to the distress we are ALL facing!

      Take Care

      DJ 
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      · 1 months ago
      @j PIP isn't primarily about the condition.
      I'd imagine if the claiment meets the points requirements with evidence then there will be no barrier to the actual illness.
      Where did you obtain this list  ?
      If it hasn't been sanctioned from a reputable source I'd disregard it
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      · 1 months ago
      @Michael So are we to take it, that PIP has become or will become a working benefit, just like ESA.
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      · 1 months ago
      @j Could I possibly ask where you saw this? Thankyou. I have several of these disorders.
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    · 1 months ago
    I emailed my Labour MP with my concerns about PIP changes and he replied. He basically said that he had raised his concerns over the past few weeks to the government. He was going to read the impact assessments very carefully when they’re published this week and get back to me with a more substantive reply. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Shopdoll @Shopdoll, there's maybe hope then.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Shopdoll I wrote to my mp and she wholeheartedly backs the change in pip rules !
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      · 1 months ago
      @rtbcpart2 He’s our first Labour MP. It’s always been a Tory sheep MP. He also has a severely disabled child and does a lot of work with disabled groups in the area. He must be squirming right now. Will be gobsmacked if he gets back to me. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Shopdoll Bet you can't wait.
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    · 1 months ago
    I agree that welfare reforms are needed but there has to be a line in the sand, I was reading on another forum that assessors aren't even medically trained, that is ludicrous, again another thing I've noticed is that people are saying that Britain is the only country in Western Europe to treat disabled people like an economical burden. That is a stain on this country and I'm sorry to say that.

    If you read or hear anyone try to justify cutting disability benefits as some "labor of love" realise that it's gaslighting and it's dangerous, people are going to be on skidrow, people will be destitute, people will resort to desperate measures and forcing people into such a rut isn't love, it's pure hatred.


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      · 1 months ago
      @Dave Dee Nit medically trained doesn't surprise me one bit, a lot of the time physiotherapy is about as far as it gets.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dave Dee I firmly believe every measure possible should be devised to encourage and rehabilitate people with impairments into the workplace and wider society wherever possible and to support them as necessary. But I also think equal commitment should be a societal shared objective not to make worse the difficulties of disability and the disadvantage that it confers in opportunities both vocational and otherwise.  Money should absolutely not be cut.  
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    · 1 months ago
    If emailing your MP via their parlimentary email address you must confirm your address otherwise your MP cannot respond
    For example in the email put : I confirm I reside at (your full address).

    I got this from my MP (please see below)
    Due to strict Parliamentary protocol, please could you confirm your full address so that I am able to respond to your email in full
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      · 1 months ago
      @Harry Thank you for this info, i've resent the email I sent last week, this time with my address. Not holding my breath for a response but it's still worth us flooding our MPs' inboxes to show the strength of opinion on this. 
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    · 1 months ago
    This "those with most severe conditions will not face reassessments" is a swindle - what do they mean by most severe confditions? it could mean those who don't have the necessary 4 points for one activity in daily living, despite experiencing conditions serious enough to accrue sufficient points for an award, might at some point have to instigate their own review or renewal to fight for a 4 points. Or does it mean those already on a light touch award will keep it, regardless of the configuration of points?

    Also, these measures are supposed to save a pathetic £5bn by 2030. They do know there will have to be an election by then, right?
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      · 1 months ago
      @robbie As far as I know no numbers have been released for size of impact, Labour are trying to avoid it.

      My expectation for 10 year light touch, is that some of these will revert to 10 years standard review, because if the DWP know that some light touch awards have no 4 point descriptors, they will want to do a full review to get the claim closed.
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      · 1 months ago
      @robbie I'm new to all of this but I suspect the VAST majority of people will be effected by this 4point rule! I suspect that's why they choose the 4 point question snd have delayed publishing the impact assessment.  Clearly waiting for a big news day to bury it the outcomes. 
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    · 1 months ago
    For those of us claiming LCWRA/Support Group only, is it worth trying to claim pip now if the only way you are going to be eligible in the future is through the new health element?  Although I understand the majority of individuals are now unlikely to score 4 points in one section with the revised pip form.  Looking to the future, the alternative is being in receipt of no health benefits at all then and just the basic universal credit allowance.
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      · 1 months ago
      @sara Thanks Sara.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon Thanks for your help, I do appreciate it.

      By the way, as you know it, the WCA is to be scrapped in 2028, and the new 4 point based criteria in PIP will come into effect in Nov. 2026. If someone who's currently on LCWRA, which is my case, is called for a reassessment, say sometime in 2027, will they be reassessed on the new PIP or the WCA which will be still in place?

      What do you think?
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      · 1 months ago
      @Scorpion LCWRA should not be affected, as PIP is a different benefit with different criteria.

      Assessments are really stressful, especially if you're doing everything without support.

      Ask for a paper based assessment as a reasonable adjustment if you're unable to do a phone or face-to-face one because of your health or disability.

      If they deliberately mark you down where you should be getting 4 points or more (which they often do), then do a mandatory reconsideration.

      Keep challenging and go all the way to appeal if you have to (and are able to, with support of course). Citizens Advice can help with every stage and any issues you run into with the DWP.

      It's really important you follow the Benefits and Work guide to fill the form, as Citizens Advice aren't that great with this if the adviser isn't experienced.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon From Google, it seems it's 50 pages long!

      Wow.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon I'm having a look at the guide of B&W per your advice.

      Does the whole claim form for PIP sent out by the DWP only contain those tick boxes, or does it also have, like the WCA form, sections where you'll have to explain, elaborate, and even demonstrate verbally situations and problems?

      Cheers.
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    · 1 months ago
    It's the 4 points in one category or you will lose out bit that gets me. Disabilities affect people in different ways. The way the system is now already, fails to reflect that. However, at the moment you've got many, many claimants with life long conditions that affect them in many different ways, both mental and physical, who maybe get 2 points here and there, being honest on their form and scoring the points needed across the 12 questions to make a successful claim with the necessary documents to back that up from their health clinic, will now, it seems with this new mandatory 4 points on one question proposal, lose their benefit entirely. People are now terrified. All I see online and from talking to people are severe anxiety and backlash from this particular proposal. Surely they'll have to ditch it. They cannot pass this as legislation. Peoples lives will be ruined. Also, I think they just make their financial figures up as they go along in parliament. They WASTE billions every year on various rackets and then have the cheek to cripple both pensioners and now disabled people with bogus figures and ignorance. It's exhausting. I voted for labour specifically to protect the disability benefits. I feel like they've stuck a knife in each and every one of us. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Steve Could have been a case of better the devil you know.
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      · 1 months ago
      @bert Exactly, it’s what they didn’t say that made me suspicious!
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      · 1 months ago
      @bert They've lied and misled their way into government, Starmer is a disgrace 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Mickey Labour never mentioned benefits in their election campaign that was a big sign.
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    · 1 months ago
    How can you say they have refused to consult with the public? The consultation paper and questionnaire is available right now for the public to provide consultation on. 

    Please stop spreading misinformation.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon
      Because they have refused, the green paper states some parts will not have consultation.

      The consultation they have released has succeeded in fooling some people thinking everything is getting consulted on.

      As an example there is no consultation on whether to introduce the 4 point rule, instead the 4 point questions are whether or not they should do anything to help the victims of the rule change. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon The consultation they've published is just lip service for formality. They're not consulting on any of the following:

      Scrapping the WCA
      Creating a single assessment for PIP and the UC health element
      Freezing the health element of UC until 2029/30
      Only awarding PIP daily living if you get at least one descriptor scoring 4 or more points
      Restarting WCA reassessments until the WCA is scrapped

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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon Stopping being so facile and misinformed yourself. Take a look at this. This explains the consultation paper is highly flawed and even bogus. It is a disingenuous consultation, you have fallen for the sham. 

      https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/dwp-launches-entirely-bogus-green-paper-consultation
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon @Anon, the point about the consultation' is it's bogus because it doesn't fully consult on the damaging cuts to be made. Have a look at the B&W article. We need to express our views on the whole package, not fall for the sleight of hand in the limited questions on the survey. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Vile proposals 
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    · 1 months ago
    Quick question: has anyone received a positive response from their MP regarding proposed cuts? My MP has not responded, so far, and as he is new I'm far from hopeful.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anniesmum Good to hear about the good 'uns. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Matt I haven't had anything but an automated 'thanks for your email, we'll get back to you when we can' kinda thing but my local MP (Richard Burgon) was speaking about cuts when the rumours started, and has raised issues afterwards. He is questioning why we can't put a wealth tax in place instead. I know he lost the whip over the two child benefit cap because he rebelled over it.

      So, whilst it isn't a positive response, I feel certain he is against these cuts. Whether that transforms into anything meaningful remains to be seen.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Matt My MP hasn’t replied but I did email a labour MP I heard on radio 4. She sent a really good email back and she is not going to vote for the new measures. She is doing a lot to speak out against the new proposals.
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    · 1 months ago
    So will pip still be how your conditions affect you and not based on diagnosis? Cos reading some newspapers they list some conditions that won’t be accepted, which is adding to all the stress.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Andrew Pip has always been based on how your conditions affect you.
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    · 1 months ago
    Hello, does anyone know when we’ll know if these proposed changes to benefits will go ahead?  As it stands right now they’re just proposals but when will they actually tell us what’s happening?
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      · 1 months ago
      @Ask77 Allegedly it's from November 2026
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    · 1 months ago
    If emailing your MP via their parlimentary email address you must confirm your address otherwise your MP cannot respond
    For example in the email put : I confirm I reside at (your full address).

    I got this from my MP (please see below)
    Due to strict Parliamentary protocol, please could you confirm your full address so that I am able to respond to your email in full