Many commentors on the Benefits and Work website have expressed confusion about where a series of government concessions since Friday, culminating in yesterdays final hour climbdown, leave them.  We’re not surprised.  As one Labour MP said in the debate “I popped out for a banana earlier on and, when I came back in, things had changed again. “

We’ve done our best to explain how matters currently stand with Labour’s welfare reform shambles.

Pip 4-point rule

Last week the government announced that current claimants would be protected from the PIP 4-point rule in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.  Instead, it would only affect new claimants from November 2026.

But in virtually the final hour of the debate last night, Timms told the Commons:

"I can announce that we are going to remove the clause five from the bill at committee, that we will move straight to the wider review, sometimes referred to as the Timms review, and only make changes to PIP eligibility, activities and descriptors following that review."

Clause 5 is the 4-point rule.

What this means is that the 4-point rule is being removed entirely from the bill.  It will not apply to any claimants at all, at any time.  There is no PIP 4-point rule for anyone.  

Instead, any changes to PIP will be decided by the Timms review. 

 Universal credit

New universal credit (UC) health element claimants from April 2026 will still see their UC health element almost halved and frozen.

Existing UC LCWRA claimants were already protected in the bill  from the cut to the UC health element and in a further concession they are to be protected from the freeze.

Severe conditions criteria

There have been no changes to the extremely hard to meet severe conditions criteria as a result of last night’s debate.

Everything else

The bill only covers those three issues.  Every other proposal, such as the abolition of the WCA, the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit  and not paying 18-21 year old PIP recipients the health element of UC is not affected by last night’s vote.  They will all require separate legislation of their own.

Timms review

The Timms review was not due to report until after the 4-point rule had already started.  Now, any changes to PIP will have to wait until after the Timms review makes its recommendations.

In theory, the review could recommend bringing in the 4-point rule.  In practice that would be extraordinarily politically damaging and also unnecessary.  There are many more ways that Labour can cut eligibility to PIP without using that particular device, which was adopted mainly because it was quick and easy to implement.

The review is very wide ranging and is likely to make considerable changes to the PIP assessment, not least as the new single assessment is intended to be the gateway to the UC health element, if the WCA is scrapped. So the points system may look very different by the time Timms reports.

The review is supposed to be coproduced with disabled people.  But what that means in practice we have yet to see.  Green Paper consultations have been an insulting farce and we know the government is keen to halt the rising cost of PIP. 

We also know that Timms is a zealot when it comes to the idea that cutting people’s benefits will make them more likely to find work.

Plus, the secretary of state, currently Liz Kendall, gets to make the final decision on what changes are brought before parliament after the review reports.

So there are still difficult times ahead.

Was there anything positive about last night’s result?

This depends on your point of view. 

The government got their bill through its first vote and that is undoubtedly a bad thing. 

New disabled claimants of UC from April 2026 will be hit very hard by the cut and freeze to the health element.

And the Timms review could still attempt to impose severe cuts on PIP.

But, disabled people and disability groups took on a government with a majority of 165 and an utter contempt for disabled claimants.  They were forced to fight against a bill that was only published on 18 June and is being rushed through parliament at breakneck speed to try to prevent opposition.

And yet, with everything in their favour, the government have been forced into a series of humiliating concessions.  The centrepiece of the bill, the PIP 4-point rule is gone and with it, almost all the £5 billion in savings that Labour planned to make on the backs of disabled claimants.

In fact, there have been so many changes to the bill that even the name is wrong now – it has nothing to do with personal independence payment anymore.  

So yes, in our view there are some very positive things about last night.  But, unfortunately, that doesn’t mean the fight doesn’t go on and on . . . starting with the third reading of the bill on 9 July.

Correction:  we referred to a government amendment in a previous update, this was in fact an amendment from Steve Darling, Liberal Democrat MP.  Thanks to John for pointing this out. 

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    · 1 months ago
    Two tier Keir and fake tears Reeve's. Get them out. In the bin!
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      · 1 months ago
      @Ilo I wouldn’t-she LIED about the real economic cost of Welfare in relation to expenditure and she should RESIGN.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anna C Like the tears of the weasel conservative one who've send people to their covid deaths...  
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      · 1 months ago
      @Cuckoo21 She's only crying for herself. Her constituents will never vote her in again.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Cuckoo21 Seeing those crocodile tears was disgusting, I have cried every single night and fearing the worst since these cuts were announced! To her it's her job, to us it's literally our lives.
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    · 1 months ago
    Whatever Rachel thieves was crying about, I couldn't give less of a poo. She has caused so many people suffering, stress and sleepless nights. What about our tears? I didn't actually see any tears come out of her eyes, did I miss it? Yeah she looked upset and rough, that's how I  look most days, so what. Boo hoo. No sympathy from me, nice try it doesn't wash with me luv.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Cuckoo21 I’m not sympathetic either.

      Her lies have the capacity to kill people so why should I feel her pain when people will DIE because of her.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Cuckoo21 They said on gb news that a senior Labour party person had had words with her then linsey coils had had a go at her with she got to the house of commons and she bust out crying they said when the speaker asked why she was crying like that someone had had a go at her in downing street. But hey in the long run she needs to stop the Croc tears kendal and reeves have caused people to consider ending their lives so what goes round comes round 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Cuckoo21 Oh and then I heard it was a row with the speaker who set her off.

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      · 1 months ago
      @Cuckoo21 Wasn't crying about us that's for sure. I've heard several rumours as to why she was crying. Not less she's days left before she's binned. But I cant see that happening,also her and Starmer had "words" earlier in the day. All Hearsay i  guess.
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    · 1 months ago
    There used to be 3 levels on the old DLA  payment system, low, medium and high for the daily living component. Then that all got changed to low and high, no middle payment so I suspect those that may have been on the middle but couldn't qualify for the high rate were downgraded to the low rate...SO....I'm wondering if they wont try that trick with the PIP ...in that if you don't meet a certain criteria on the low level of daily living, will they try and get people off pip low level thereby saving their millions in the process?
    Let's face it, they won't make savings any other way..

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      · 1 months ago
      @Shazza The low disappeared, technically the middle (which now became low/standard) and high remained in place. With this 4 points rule they were trying to remove the middle.
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    · 1 months ago
    Too late and not enough. Labours welfare bill is still a threat to us all. Starmer and his cronies have been severely embarrassed by their forced climb down.
    The threat of labour Mps not backing the Bill has been to St extremely damaging to Starmers authority. Reeves obvious upset is only because she will probably be moved from her job and good riddance to her. She will still however keep her massive wage and expenses she will have income for food,bills and a home to live in. Yet she cries after pushing welfare changes to save money off people who have very little except a daily struggle with chronic ill health,social bias viewing us as scroungers and fraudsters and a constant struggle to keep our homes and basics like food and heat. She chose to attack the very weakest in society to save money so they could claim to be harder than the Tories on the poor. But no mention of chasing Billions hoarded by the super rich and cooperations.
    Personally my Mp has shown her stripes by voting for the bill. I thought she would but I will be letting her know she will never get my vote or recommendation. 
    Everyone needs to find out how their Mp voted and if they voted for tell them you will remember and never vote for them again. Only the pressure of public opinion and terror of losing their massive wage and lucrative job has pushed the changes back.
    They have not changed their minds because they care about our welfare our us. 
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    · 1 months ago
    My MP Ed Milliband couldn't be bothered to reply to my letter in which I told him a very vulnerable friend of mine was so terrified they were thinking about the other Bill his Party voted for recently. That meant they wouldn't be here. He still voted for this travesty. I don't trust Timms or anything he's involved in. The fight is not over. Thank you to everyone for standing up to this dreadful Government.
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      · 1 months ago
      @John
      The difference is that the Tories have never claimed to be anything else than what they are.
      Labour were elected on the promise that they were for the working people. For the disabled. For the elderly.
      Yet they screwed everyone over systematically; stuck the knife between our shoulder blades as they smiled to our faces. 
      Wolves in sheep's clothing. They fooled many.

      Labour cannot be ever be forgiven for this betrayal, regardless of the concessions that were only made to appease the backbenchers from rebellion. We have not yet seen what Timms will recommend. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Yorkshire Lady I think it’s terrifying that we live in a country that rushes through a mess of an “assisted dying” bill while also rushing through benefit cuts for disabled people.  
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      · 1 months ago
      @axab43 I take it your Tory MP slept through the numerous cuts since 2010 and failed to read the Tory manifesto he stood for election on. As the cuts were awful and the Tory manifesto on disability reform was far worse than what Labour is trying to do. And your Tory MP failed to notice Kendall offered to support Labour's disability benefit cuts if they made them deeper and faster. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Yorkshire Lady You should write again and demand an answer. I wrote to my MP, who is a Tory and I have always hated the Tory party.  He answered and said they may have done reform but would have taken a lot longer to do it, giving people time to adjust and for it to be properly debated! Amazing when you get more compassion from a Tory than the Labour leadership.
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    · 1 months ago
    Timms and Kendal are just like Burke and Hare, except they're trying to put vulnerable people in their graves. Timms is a bigot an HATES disabled people. My MP, Ian Byrne, voted against it all and has kept constituents up to date all during the process.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anne M Thankfull that Mr Byrne, Kim Johnson & Paula Barker stood up against this and had the moral decency to do so. Not same can be said for my MP Maria Eagle or of  Dan Carden. At least we have 3 decent MPs in Liverpool
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    · 1 months ago
    I would like to see some of the many disabled organisations also involved in the Timms Review.

     I’m very glad that disabled people will be included but many will not be simply because they are not well enough. We’ve already been ignore and/or shut out of so called involvement with the Green Paper.

    I would like charities like Scope, Carers UK, MS Society and so many others to have a say in this and be very involved.

    I would like the Timms Review to be open and transparent, especially to everyone who cannot be at the table.

    Timms is doubtless getting paid big bucks to do a job that has become a poisoned chalice. 

    He should earn it.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Moose MIND in particular and the various ASD/ADHD groups should all be involved, given that all the right-wing parties (which includes 'Labour') have now openly stated their cynical bias against mental illness and neurodivergence.

      But I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
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    · 1 months ago
    For the first time in 35 years I have had to apply for PIP after a recent diagnosis from the hospital, it was rejected and zero points, I did a mandatory reconsideration and included unarguable medical evidence, I have carers coming in to my house 7 days a week and can barely walk more than a few steps, I’m on oxygen, steroid inhaler and anti depressants, I feel like a burden. I still got zero points after the MR 😤 
    It’s now going to tribunal. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Cuckoo21 Have you noticed it's never mentioned how much is spent on Capita or Atos etc?
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      · 1 months ago
      @RB
      You have to have had the condition for over 6 months to qualify for PIP, in case you weren't aware.
      That may be why you weren't successful.
      Or, they are just useless as is the case so much of the time.
      Hope it gets overturned at tribunal.
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      · 1 months ago
      @RB I hope for your sake, that justice is seen to be done
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      · 1 months ago
      @RB My uncle in his 60s who has had severe epilepsy since age 16 when a bus conductor pushed him down the bus stairs was refused PIP. He also has a broken neck from a later accident ffs!  At tribunal.the judge said he was a classic example of people being failed by a broken farcical system and should never have had to get this far recommended the highest rate. 
      The very best of luck to.you!
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      · 1 months ago
      @RB Hang in there and stay strong.  I’ve been to tribunal twice in recent years on behalf of my daughter. Last time we went in with 2 points and came out with 23!
      🤞all goes well for you. 
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    · 1 months ago
    A Conservative MP and an other panellist were attacking PIP claimants on Politics Live today (2 July). The panellist said that some people get PIP for acne and some families get £40k a year in disability and other benefits. They both referred to the growing number of people claiming PIP on mental health grounds. They also dismissed mental health as if these conditions 

    The BBC programme then showed a radio 5 clip, in which a caller said his son has a deformed hand but doesn't want or need PIP. He claimed his son is an accountant, with a son used PIP on shares and stocks! 
    This is why people need to keep fighting and contacting their MPs. 
    We need to stay strong and fight any future unfair and ideological cuts. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @tintack We learn that whoever is getting got at in the media expect to be targeted next. Your example appears to advocate means testing. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Antony Mental ill health can kill and does. They dismiss young people with mental ill health but the suicide rate among young men is massively high, and mental illness is one of the leading causes. Mental ill health also can mean you can't lead a normal life as your mind paralyses you from moving from your bed sometimes.  ANd it can be therapy resistant, meaning counselling etc doesn't work.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Antony
      "The BBC programme then showed a radio 5 clip, in which a caller said his son has a deformed hand but doesn't want or need PIP. He claimed his son is an accountant, with a son used PIP on shares and stocks!"

      That could have come straight from the Daily Mail. Even by the BBC's miserably degraded standards it was truly awful stuff. Highlighting something so exceptional and unrepresentative while ignoring the far larger number of people who are wrongly turned down and have to go to tribunal to get the support they need is pathetic and a sad indictment of how low journalistic standards have now fallen at the BBC. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Timms is a disgrace,  He is supposed to be on our side. Instead he is spiteful individual.  My mp voted for the cuts,  he's labour as well. Only cares about his career. Kendell ,reeves and Timms should go. All the front bench really. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Tuxcat
      My Labour MP also voted for the cuts. He sent me an email yesterday to update me on the vote. 
      It was a gloating, boastful ramble about how wonderful Labour are and how they alone were going to get those poor disabled people back into work.
      He then detailed the UC Health changes, and he sounded so proud of them it made me feel sick.
      I had written to this man to tell him how I would be affected by these cuts. How hundreds of thousands of disabled people across the country would be affected. Yet he gloats over the UC cuts.
      I'd paste his email here but it's quite long.
      I'm still working out what to say in my reply as I try to never reply to anyone in anger, and I'm still way too angry...
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    · 1 months ago
    At this stage in their lives, government ministers should know the difference between correlation and causation (Timms). Geez! And these people are entrusted with running a country 🙄
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    · 1 months ago
    I have written to my MP who is  Mr Bayo Alaba Who completely ignored my email. There was not even an acknowledgement of receipt. So what do you do when your MP does not respond to his constituents. He did of course, it now transpires, vote for this appalling bill. No surprise there. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Alison Gray My MP sent a reply stating he was against the changes to pip yet after the vote it showed a list of who said yes who said no and as for my MP being against it he voted for it to go ahead. 
      That is absolutely disgusting and just shows how corrupt the government is.
      I will wait to see the response I get after telling him he’s as bad as the rest of them, blatantly stating he didn’t agree with any of the planned changes to voting for them, I’m disgusted. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Liz Kendall got heckled by my MP mid interview while walking past. Shame the mic didn't hear it better. 

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      · 1 months ago
      @Dee @Dee Good for Sorcha Eastwood. 👍
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    · 1 months ago
    Protecting existing claimants while cutting benefits for new claimants is exactly the opposite of encouraging disabled people into work, which they claim is the purpose of the cuts.

    Many future claimants are still children or don't yet know they will become disabled. If you can fight the cuts, don't be placated by protections for existing claimants.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Sarah As is anyone on CB ESA. When the new benefit /temporary insurance runs out we will have to claim the scraps of Health Element AND lose our TP. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Sarah Quite so. Anyone is potentially a future claimant.
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    · 1 months ago
    Thanks B&W team.
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    · 1 months ago
    It is clear that we do not have a cohesive labour party who are able to find a solution out of this mess. I am scared that we have completely lost control of our borders, we have a labour government who unable to function and a prime minister planning for war. I have mental and physical disabilities but do my very best to live as independantly as i can. I am scared because this government fought each other over a bill that should never have been brought to the house. Without those brave voices standing up for us, where would we be now. I know i would have lost my independance and would have been looking at an assisted living accomodation. I could not have coped with that and my alternative would have been suicide, thats how scared i was before the vote.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Steffi Though it seems that Labour leadership has lurched to the right, it should be noted that under a Conservatives or Reform government  were in power, a Disability Bill such as this one or worse would have passed without concessions.   Restrictions on PIP eligibility seem inevitable a few years in future but hopefully the severity of the cuts will be lessened yet again by opposition from Labour MPs upholding the traditional values of the party.
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    · 1 months ago
    From the article "the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit"

    What this!!!??? Oh my goodness I didnt know about that. Does anyone know where I can find more details on this pls?

    I been on CB ESA since 2013 in SG, no IR element. Wondering what the proposed plans are for me? Terrified
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    · 1 months ago
    As usual with governments/ministers/MPs if in doubt kick the can down the road and then worry what to do later Or maybe it just might be someone else's problem by then Always ready to use their back window escape Even after such a bad showing As Scarlet Ohara said Tomorrow is another day I do not trust that the government will do the best for those of us who need to claim disability benefits 
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    · 1 months ago
    I fear for my son who has mental health adhd n autism as to where this is going to leave him. I didn’t vote labour as sadly they’ve proven they’re not for the working class just themselves. 
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    · 1 months ago
    And thank you steve for inspiring us all to do in in the first place , you turned many of us around from just reading about it all full of anxiety’s and gloom to us actually being pro active , I think the rest of your community will agree with me your an inspiration and we’re greatful for your input too . 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Mr P I couldn’t agree more.. thank you Steve and all the B&W team. Thank you also to all the members for taking on the fight.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Mr P I'll second that

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