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5 years 5 months ago #240813 by daisycat22
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I’ve just had my first PIP review and have been awarded standard rate daily living with no mobility.
My claim is all about my mental health. I am unable to travel on any public transport and only go out with someone with me if it’s an unfamiliar place or far away.
Last time I was given 4 points for mobility, this time nothing. The thought of going through an appeal is awful but I feel hard done by for getting no points.
Can I just ask for a reconsideration of the mobility part or do they have to look at the whole award?
My claim is all about my mental health. I am unable to travel on any public transport and only go out with someone with me if it’s an unfamiliar place or far away.
Last time I was given 4 points for mobility, this time nothing. The thought of going through an appeal is awful but I feel hard done by for getting no points.
Can I just ask for a reconsideration of the mobility part or do they have to look at the whole award?
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5 years 5 months ago #240820 by Gordon
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daisycat
I'm afraid you cannot limit an MR to just one component but it is rare for a claimant to lose points.
However, if you are only doing the MR for the four points and not the eight needed for an award then why risk the Daily Living award?
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I'm afraid you cannot limit an MR to just one component but it is rare for a claimant to lose points.
However, if you are only doing the MR for the four points and not the eight needed for an award then why risk the Daily Living award?
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5 years 5 months ago #240830 by daisycat22
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Hi
Thanks for your reply.
I fit the descriptor for 10 points. I am unable to follow or plan an unfamiliar route without someone with me. I suffer with severe anxiety and panic attacks. I never go out to an unfamiliar place without my partner and most of the time he has to accompany me to familiar places too but not all the time. It depends on my anxiety level.
Thanks for your reply.
I fit the descriptor for 10 points. I am unable to follow or plan an unfamiliar route without someone with me. I suffer with severe anxiety and panic attacks. I never go out to an unfamiliar place without my partner and most of the time he has to accompany me to familiar places too but not all the time. It depends on my anxiety level.
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5 years 5 months ago #240837 by BIS
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Hi daisycat22
If you are going to put in for a mandatory reconsideration make sure that you have a copy of your assessment report and can see why they decided to score you zero points, because it is whatever is written there that you will have to counteract.
You need to put in the request for your MR within one month of the date on the decision letter. You can ring and request this - but would follow up any verbal request in writing.
The Going Out activity looks at three things.
Planning a route - this is primarily a cognitive or sensory (e.g. blindness) activity. You are being asked about the problems you would have with working out how to get from one place to another, you do not need to be able to follow the route that you are planning.
Undertaking a Journey - this is to do with mental health issues such as agoraphobia and social anxiety and is concerned with you leaving the house to go somewhere, they will be interested in the things that stop you doing this. You need to show that you would suffer "overwhelming psychological distress" to meet the criteria.
Following a route - This activity about the problems you would have navigating a route. So are there problems; cognitive, sensory or mental health issues that would prevent you from doing this? This is different from undertaking a journey, in fact, if you cannot undertake a journey then you will not score points for following one and vice versa.
As you will see from the above you cannot score points for both undertaking a journey and following a route, so you need to decide which one is the one that most applies to you and when you have seen what the assessor has written see where you need to counteract this.
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If you are going to put in for a mandatory reconsideration make sure that you have a copy of your assessment report and can see why they decided to score you zero points, because it is whatever is written there that you will have to counteract.
You need to put in the request for your MR within one month of the date on the decision letter. You can ring and request this - but would follow up any verbal request in writing.
The Going Out activity looks at three things.
Planning a route - this is primarily a cognitive or sensory (e.g. blindness) activity. You are being asked about the problems you would have with working out how to get from one place to another, you do not need to be able to follow the route that you are planning.
Undertaking a Journey - this is to do with mental health issues such as agoraphobia and social anxiety and is concerned with you leaving the house to go somewhere, they will be interested in the things that stop you doing this. You need to show that you would suffer "overwhelming psychological distress" to meet the criteria.
Following a route - This activity about the problems you would have navigating a route. So are there problems; cognitive, sensory or mental health issues that would prevent you from doing this? This is different from undertaking a journey, in fact, if you cannot undertake a journey then you will not score points for following one and vice versa.
As you will see from the above you cannot score points for both undertaking a journey and following a route, so you need to decide which one is the one that most applies to you and when you have seen what the assessor has written see where you need to counteract this.
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5 years 5 months ago #240839 by daisycat22
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My problem is undertaking a journey. There are days I just can’t leave the house at all due to anxiety and panic attacks but if I do go out I generally need my partner with me.
I had no f2f so the review was paper based. The summary was very basic and they just aid they do not agree that I have trouble going out based on the letters I provided (the letters do say I don’t go on public transport and have difficulty going out). The assessor has just completely dismissed it.
If I do a MR should I get my GP to write a letter solely on the going out as evidence?...the other letters are from two psychologist
I had no f2f so the review was paper based. The summary was very basic and they just aid they do not agree that I have trouble going out based on the letters I provided (the letters do say I don’t go on public transport and have difficulty going out). The assessor has just completely dismissed it.
If I do a MR should I get my GP to write a letter solely on the going out as evidence?...the other letters are from two psychologist
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5 years 5 months ago #240843 by BIS
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Hi daisycat22
I obviously don't know what you said in your original form or exactly what wording your letters used. Sometimes the medical evidence isn't strong enough in their wording to support what you said from the DWP's point of view.
In your MR you will have to show that leaving the house causes you overwhelming psychological distress and how this manifests itself. You will also need to show that this is the majority of the time. (perhaps you already have). They won't actually be that interested in whether you use public transport or not, because you travel in a car.
You have said in one of the posts below that sometimes you go out by yourself. So what happens then? If you suffer distress on these occasions you're going to have to describe it.
When you go out by yourself do you drive? Just be aware they may query this if you are suffering overwhelming psychological distress and then driving yourself. If you walk then you should describe the difficulties you have with the surroundings.
Also be aware if your anxiety is so bad that you rarely leave the house, then you are unlikely to be awarded points. We have found this happen to several members. The DWP argument is that they don't suffer from overwhelming psychological distress because they keep themselves safe by staying at home! (Not saying this is right - but we have just seen it happen).
It will obviously help if your GP is willing to use the term 'overwhelming psychological distress.' in any letter describing your difficulties in leaving the house.
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I obviously don't know what you said in your original form or exactly what wording your letters used. Sometimes the medical evidence isn't strong enough in their wording to support what you said from the DWP's point of view.
In your MR you will have to show that leaving the house causes you overwhelming psychological distress and how this manifests itself. You will also need to show that this is the majority of the time. (perhaps you already have). They won't actually be that interested in whether you use public transport or not, because you travel in a car.
You have said in one of the posts below that sometimes you go out by yourself. So what happens then? If you suffer distress on these occasions you're going to have to describe it.
When you go out by yourself do you drive? Just be aware they may query this if you are suffering overwhelming psychological distress and then driving yourself. If you walk then you should describe the difficulties you have with the surroundings.
Also be aware if your anxiety is so bad that you rarely leave the house, then you are unlikely to be awarded points. We have found this happen to several members. The DWP argument is that they don't suffer from overwhelming psychological distress because they keep themselves safe by staying at home! (Not saying this is right - but we have just seen it happen).
It will obviously help if your GP is willing to use the term 'overwhelming psychological distress.' in any letter describing your difficulties in leaving the house.
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