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5 years 3 months ago #242717 by wilderness45angel
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Good morning everyone :)
I am posting on behalf of my wife who had been on DLA for just under 20 years.She is just 62.
Her DLA award was Higher Rate Mobility and Lower Rate For Care back in 2001.
Over the years, due to both physical and mental health long term conditions and accidents, both needs have changed and more support with care was definitely needed.
My wife had her PIP assessment at home 14 weeks ago and we did not think that the assessment went well for many reasons, as I am sure a lot of people feel the same way.
The first assessment was scheduled in September and nobody turned up or even let us know, which upset my wife significantly and to be honest when the assessor did come, my wife just wanted to get it over and done with and put on a very brave face to get through it all, although inside she was falling apart and was unwell for many days after the visit to home.
Finally today the dreaded letter arrived. We opened it together and there was good news and bad.
Firstly my wife has been awarded the Higher Rate for Mobility and this was what we were hoping for, as she does have a Motability car, with myself as nominated driver.The award is also an ongoing award.
The blow was that she has not been awarded either tier of care and only scored a low amount of points. . The reasons for this given by the assessor are, in a nutshell that my wife was calm, composed and interacted during the interview and as a result of this did not qualify for even the lower rate of care on PIP.
We are just not sure what to do. It means a loss of £90+ per month for my wife and we have serious debts, including mortgage arrears and other debts too.
If I ask for a Mandatory Reconsideration, will it affect the Mobility award? Can I ask just for the Care element to be reconsidered at this stage?
The other question my wife is worrying herself sick about right now is - will the decision not to award her the care element in PIP affect her EESA Support Group entitlement?
My wife has severe social anxiety syndrome coupled with agoraphobia and moderate severe depression as well as a host of physical conditions.The assessor said that she interacted well but that is not what I observed. She also scored no points for washing and bathing and no points for dressing. Yet she sleeps in her clothes most nights and cannot wash or dress her lower half at all. She is confined to downstairs at home for the past 10 years This was all explained to the assessor. We just do not know whether to leave the award as it stands, as the mobility component is fine and not pursue this matter but that is going to cause hardship.. Our fear is that if it is likely to now also impact upon EESA which is my wife's main source of income, that would be a terrible problem for her.We are just concerned about the effects of an appeal on my wife's health, if it had to go that far..I apologize for the length of the post but we are both upset right now and not sure how to deal with this. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Regards :)

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5 years 3 months ago #242721 by Gary
Hi wilderness45angel

We cannot tell you what to do, although I have in the past asked DWP just to look at one component of an award and been successful, although as you so rightly say, they can look at both components.

The first stage to challenging a Decision is for you to request a Mandatory Reconsideration, this needs to be done in writing to the DWP, within one month of the Decision, to the office that dealt with your claim. Have a look at our PIP Mandatory Reconsideration & Appeal guide for details of the process, the PIP area also has template letters that you can use to make the request with.

www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip .

You should contact the DWP for a copy of the assessment report ( if you have not already done so, I would phone them but again follow up the request in writing). Once you have the assessment report you will have a better understanding of how the DWP Decision Maker has come to their conclusions and will then be able to argue against them.

Your primary task is to show that you meet the criteria, there are many reasons you may have failed, you need to address each of these but don't get bogged down in criticising the assessment report unless you can clearly show that it is incorrect, it is a lot easier to argue the facts of the situation;

"the assessor recorded that I walked 50m, I did but they have failed to document that I had to stop every 10m for a rest due to breathlessness"

than their opinions

"based on my observations of the claimant walking I believe that they can reliably walk more than 200m.

What you have to remember is that DLA descriptors are different to PIP, PIP is a lot more stricter
especially mobility component.

You need to make sure that whatever is included is relevant to the PIP criteria and you need to say why it is, again the way DLA was awarded is different from how PIP is.

PIP was engineered to be more difficult to award than DLA, many DLA claimants will receive vastly reduced awards or even no award at all on transfer.

DLA looks at generic care needs in regard to bodily functions, PIP looks at the claimants specific ability to carry out an activity such as eating. DLA was awarded because the claimant needed an amount of care (in time) during the day, the night of both, to help them with that bodily function. PIP looks at the claimant's ability to complete specific tasks within the activity and is points-based, these are clearly defined and it is easy not to score points because the claimant has not shown that they meet those specific criteria.

DLA treated the use of aids as a reason to reduce the amount of care needed, PIP treats aids as an indication of disability and in general they score extra points.

DLA's care need was reasonably generic, PIP treats prompting, assistance and supervision as different activities and as a result, they can score different points.

DLA required that the care was required for the majority of the time, for PIP it is the majority of days.

For PIP activities must be completed reliably, this means

• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.

Although DLA considers these terms, they are poorly defined as they are implemented through Case Law rather than being defined in the legislation as they are for PIP.

Referring to any more recent evidence you have is more useful.

When you have a better idea of the issues with your claim, come back to the forum and we will do our best to help.

Gary

Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems

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5 years 3 months ago #242726 by wilderness45angel
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Hi Gary,

Thank you very much for the information. I will read the guides in detail with my wife and we will write to register a Mandatory Reconsideration. I will call DWP om Monday for the assessor's report and come back once we are clear on the aspects of the assessment we wish to challenge. Looking at the PIP Care score in more detail, my wife got 6 points, so was just short of the lower rate for Care. There are 3 key areas where she scored 0 points and I will look at requesting that the DWP looks at those again, with evidence I will send.

We very much appreciate your advice
Regards :)

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