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5 years 2 months ago #245069 by Nina
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My niece's pip assessment was yesterday.
The assessment was only for 20 mins. The assessor asked her to do exercises that were not relevant to her condition. Also, most of the questions were also not relevant. My niece has a skin condition which she needs assistance with daily. She needs help with places she can not see and reach as the condition is spread around the body. Only descriptor 1,3,4 and 6 pertains to her.
The assessor hardly asked about how the condition affects her.
Most of the questions asked were in the descriptors that did not pertain to my niece. eg questions like if she has a bank account and if she can use the toilet. Very irrelevant questions.
I will be requesting for the assessor's report next week.
Can you please tell me if it is normal for assessors not to concentrate on the ticked descriptor
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The assessment was only for 20 mins. The assessor asked her to do exercises that were not relevant to her condition. Also, most of the questions were also not relevant. My niece has a skin condition which she needs assistance with daily. She needs help with places she can not see and reach as the condition is spread around the body. Only descriptor 1,3,4 and 6 pertains to her.
The assessor hardly asked about how the condition affects her.
Most of the questions asked were in the descriptors that did not pertain to my niece. eg questions like if she has a bank account and if she can use the toilet. Very irrelevant questions.
I will be requesting for the assessor's report next week.
Can you please tell me if it is normal for assessors not to concentrate on the ticked descriptor
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5 years 2 months ago #245072 by Gary
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Hi Nina
It will be interesting to see what the assessor has put in their report. Each assessor works differently some take longer than others and ask more questions. Although the questions may seem irrelevant to you by the sounds of it the assessor followed their script so as not to miss anything even if the assessment was brief.
Once you have the assessment report you will have a better understanding of how the DWP Decision Maker has come to their conclusions and will then be able to argue against them.
There is a small window for you to write to the Decision Maker but you will need to be quick.
Understand that the assessor is offering an opinion when they say that you can do the PIP activities, tackling these head-on is unlikely to be successful, you need to show that the basis of that opinion is founded on incorrect information, so try and refer to your evidence to undermine what they have said.
Also, try and stick to issues that lead to your scoring points, I often hear members referring to the assessors spelling, as an example, whilst it may show a lack of professionalism, raising it as an issue isn't going to help you get an award.
Make sure that you understand the criteria that you are being assessed against you can put the best case forward that is possible but you won't score points if you do not meet the PIP Descriptors. www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
Lastly, make sure that your letter makes it clear that you are not requesting a Mandatory Reconsideration but you reserve the right to do so once a Decision has been made.
Gary
It will be interesting to see what the assessor has put in their report. Each assessor works differently some take longer than others and ask more questions. Although the questions may seem irrelevant to you by the sounds of it the assessor followed their script so as not to miss anything even if the assessment was brief.
Once you have the assessment report you will have a better understanding of how the DWP Decision Maker has come to their conclusions and will then be able to argue against them.
There is a small window for you to write to the Decision Maker but you will need to be quick.
Understand that the assessor is offering an opinion when they say that you can do the PIP activities, tackling these head-on is unlikely to be successful, you need to show that the basis of that opinion is founded on incorrect information, so try and refer to your evidence to undermine what they have said.
Also, try and stick to issues that lead to your scoring points, I often hear members referring to the assessors spelling, as an example, whilst it may show a lack of professionalism, raising it as an issue isn't going to help you get an award.
Make sure that you understand the criteria that you are being assessed against you can put the best case forward that is possible but you won't score points if you do not meet the PIP Descriptors. www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
Lastly, make sure that your letter makes it clear that you are not requesting a Mandatory Reconsideration but you reserve the right to do so once a Decision has been made.
Gary
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5 years 2 months ago #245075 by Becky
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Hi Nina
I believe the assessors are not so much interested in a 'named condition' but rather in how that 'condition' affects a claimants ability to do certain tasks. The old style dla seemed more geared towards a 'condition' someone had.
I believe the assessors are not so much interested in a 'named condition' but rather in how that 'condition' affects a claimants ability to do certain tasks. The old style dla seemed more geared towards a 'condition' someone had.
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5 years 2 months ago #245080 by Gary
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Hi Becky
You are quite correct; PIP was engineered to be a more difficult to award than DLA, many DLA claimants will receive vastly reduced awards or even no award at all on transfer.
DLA looks at generic care needs in regard to bodily functions, PIP looks at the claimants specific ability to carry out an activity such as eating. DLA was awarded because the claimant needed an amount of care (in time) during the day, the night or both, to help them with that bodily function. PIP looks at the claimant's ability to complete specific tasks within the activity and is points-based, these are clearly defined and it is easy not to score points because the claimant has not shown that they meet those specific criteria.
DLA treated the use of aids as a reason to reduce the amount of care needed, PIP treats aids as an indication of disability and in general they score extra points.
DLA's care need was reasonably generic, PIP treats prompting, assistance and supervision as different activities and as a result, they can score different points.
DLA required that the care was required for the majority of the time, for PIP it is the majority of days.
For PIP activities must be completed reliably, this means
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.
Although DLA considers these terms, they are poorly defined as they are implemented through Case Law rather than being defined in the legislation as they are for PIP.
Gary
You are quite correct; PIP was engineered to be a more difficult to award than DLA, many DLA claimants will receive vastly reduced awards or even no award at all on transfer.
DLA looks at generic care needs in regard to bodily functions, PIP looks at the claimants specific ability to carry out an activity such as eating. DLA was awarded because the claimant needed an amount of care (in time) during the day, the night or both, to help them with that bodily function. PIP looks at the claimant's ability to complete specific tasks within the activity and is points-based, these are clearly defined and it is easy not to score points because the claimant has not shown that they meet those specific criteria.
DLA treated the use of aids as a reason to reduce the amount of care needed, PIP treats aids as an indication of disability and in general they score extra points.
DLA's care need was reasonably generic, PIP treats prompting, assistance and supervision as different activities and as a result, they can score different points.
DLA required that the care was required for the majority of the time, for PIP it is the majority of days.
For PIP activities must be completed reliably, this means
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.
Although DLA considers these terms, they are poorly defined as they are implemented through Case Law rather than being defined in the legislation as they are for PIP.
Gary
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