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4 years 9 months ago #249529 by Judi
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I am physically unable to undertake a journey unless I go by taxi (I do not drive). So the question of planning and undertaking a journey is completely theoretical except for a local shop which I can sometimes walk to with the aid of a rollator. How do I convince them that I am unable to plan nd undertake a journey to a place I don't know? I got no points for this on my last PIP form. They said because I was intelligent, I have a degree and worked as an accountant, I could do it. I was 64 when I completed the last form and haven't worked for 20 years due to my illnesses but that didn't seem to matter to them. I suffer from autoimmune diseases which affect my cognitive abilities and I get depression and anxiety issues. So I know I can't do it but they will not believe me.
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4 years 9 months ago #249533 by Gary
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Hi Judi
I note in your post that you said you were 64 when you completed your last form.
The relevant age is 65 or State Retirement Age, whichever is the higher.
You cannot be awarded the Mobility component as a new or an increased award after you reach the relevant age with the exception of the initial transfer from DLA to PIP where the age restriction is suspended.
If you have a Mobility award before the relevant age then you can continue to receive it after as long as you continue to meet the criteria.
The Going Out activity looks at three things.
Planning a route - this is primarily a cognitive or sensory (e.g. blindness) activity. You are being asked about the problems you would have with working out how to get from one place to another, you do not need to be able to follow the route that you are planning.
Undertaking a Journey - this is to do with mental health issues such as agoraphobia and social anxiety and is concerned with you leaving the house to go somewhere, they will be interested in the things that stop you doing this. You need to show that you would suffer "overwhelming psychological distress" to meet the criteria.
Following a route - This activity about the problems you would have navigating a route. So are there any problems; cognitive, sensory or mental health issues that would prevent you from doing this? This is different from undertaking a journey, in fact, if you cannot undertake a journey then you will not score points for following one and vice versa.
If you say your walking is restricted, you would need to be unable to reliably walk more than 50m to score sufficient points for an award just on the Moving Around activity.
Do you reasonably fit any of these criteria?
Gary
I note in your post that you said you were 64 when you completed your last form.
The relevant age is 65 or State Retirement Age, whichever is the higher.
You cannot be awarded the Mobility component as a new or an increased award after you reach the relevant age with the exception of the initial transfer from DLA to PIP where the age restriction is suspended.
If you have a Mobility award before the relevant age then you can continue to receive it after as long as you continue to meet the criteria.
The Going Out activity looks at three things.
Planning a route - this is primarily a cognitive or sensory (e.g. blindness) activity. You are being asked about the problems you would have with working out how to get from one place to another, you do not need to be able to follow the route that you are planning.
Undertaking a Journey - this is to do with mental health issues such as agoraphobia and social anxiety and is concerned with you leaving the house to go somewhere, they will be interested in the things that stop you doing this. You need to show that you would suffer "overwhelming psychological distress" to meet the criteria.
Following a route - This activity about the problems you would have navigating a route. So are there any problems; cognitive, sensory or mental health issues that would prevent you from doing this? This is different from undertaking a journey, in fact, if you cannot undertake a journey then you will not score points for following one and vice versa.
If you say your walking is restricted, you would need to be unable to reliably walk more than 50m to score sufficient points for an award just on the Moving Around activity.
Do you reasonably fit any of these criteria?
Gary
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4 years 9 months ago #249551 by Judi
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\thanks for the reply. I had been receiving full DLA since 2004, without even having an assessment, and got migrated to PIP which is when they knocked down my awards.
I get the standard mobility award for not being able to stand or walk far. But because I can't actually undertake a journey without going by taxi because of my physical mobility problems then the going out section is theoretical. And that's where I'm having problems. I have autoimmune diseases which give me cognitive problems with concentration, comprehension, coordination, confusion and memory, they also give me fatigue. These get worse when I am stressed or fatigued, such as being somewhere I don't know by myself, and I do also have some anxiety problems and some claustrophobia which doesn't like crowds. I have a heart condition which triggers in heat or cold weather, noisy situations such as busy roads or stress, I have vasovagal syncope which triggers in heat or stress. I would also get very fatigued. So I would have problems following a route if I was actually trying to do it.
I don't understand your last sentence in the 'following a route' section' about not scoring points for following a route because I cannot a journey.
Thanks for helping.... Judi
I get the standard mobility award for not being able to stand or walk far. But because I can't actually undertake a journey without going by taxi because of my physical mobility problems then the going out section is theoretical. And that's where I'm having problems. I have autoimmune diseases which give me cognitive problems with concentration, comprehension, coordination, confusion and memory, they also give me fatigue. These get worse when I am stressed or fatigued, such as being somewhere I don't know by myself, and I do also have some anxiety problems and some claustrophobia which doesn't like crowds. I have a heart condition which triggers in heat or cold weather, noisy situations such as busy roads or stress, I have vasovagal syncope which triggers in heat or stress. I would also get very fatigued. So I would have problems following a route if I was actually trying to do it.
I don't understand your last sentence in the 'following a route' section' about not scoring points for following a route because I cannot a journey.
Thanks for helping.... Judi
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4 years 9 months ago #249562 by Gordon
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Judi
You cannot score for your physical conditions against the Going Out activity, it only considers sensory, cognitive and mental health issues.
Sensory issues encompass sight and hearing problems as an example.
Cognitive problems cover learning disabilities and brain injury, you would need to show significant cognitive dysfunction to score for problems caused by another condition.
Mental health issues require you to suffers "overwhelming cognitive distress" and that this OPD would prevent you from continuing to follow a route.
If you are unable to leave you home (undertake a journey) because of conditions such as Agoraphobia or Social Anxiety (there are others) then your ability to follow a route cannot be considered, so, if you have been scored for Descriptor (e) then you cannot be assessed for Descriptor (f).
Gordon
You cannot score for your physical conditions against the Going Out activity, it only considers sensory, cognitive and mental health issues.
Sensory issues encompass sight and hearing problems as an example.
Cognitive problems cover learning disabilities and brain injury, you would need to show significant cognitive dysfunction to score for problems caused by another condition.
Mental health issues require you to suffers "overwhelming cognitive distress" and that this OPD would prevent you from continuing to follow a route.
If you are unable to leave you home (undertake a journey) because of conditions such as Agoraphobia or Social Anxiety (there are others) then your ability to follow a route cannot be considered, so, if you have been scored for Descriptor (e) then you cannot be assessed for Descriptor (f).
Gordon
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