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4 years 9 months ago #249689 by Francisca
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I was reading A Guide To Mandatory Reconsiderations and Appeals which, on page 16, says "If you had previously been awarded the higher rate mobility component of DLA, you may wish to mention CPIP/2748/2017". The paragraph I mentioned seemed to be the most relevant.
Interestingly, the document mentions the need to ask claimants whether they want their DLA info taking into account - does this not apply to DLA to PIP claims? I'm asking because I get no real support from the NHS (except sick notes, and even then I'm using an open-ended one from my previous GP from 10 years ago!). My present GP never discusses with me how my medical conditions affect me or how I cope on a day-to-day basis and I've had no professional input/support for 25 years when the M.E. was, fortunately, diagnosed in hospital. So evidence is pretty thin on the ground.
Interestingly, the document mentions the need to ask claimants whether they want their DLA info taking into account - does this not apply to DLA to PIP claims? I'm asking because I get no real support from the NHS (except sick notes, and even then I'm using an open-ended one from my previous GP from 10 years ago!). My present GP never discusses with me how my medical conditions affect me or how I cope on a day-to-day basis and I've had no professional input/support for 25 years when the M.E. was, fortunately, diagnosed in hospital. So evidence is pretty thin on the ground.
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4 years 9 months ago #249692 by Gary
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Hi Toadlet
PIP was engineered to be a more difficult to award than DLA, many DLA claimants will receive vastly reduced awards or even no award at all on transfer.
DLA looks at generic care needs in regard to bodily functions, PIP looks at the claimants specific ability to carry out an activity such as eating. DLA was awarded because the claimant needed an amount of care (in time) during the day, the night of both, to help them with that bodily function. PIP looks at the claimant's ability to complete specific tasks within the activity and is points-based, these are clearly defined and it is easy not to score points because the claimant has not shown that they meet those specific criteria.
DLA treated the use of aids as a reason to reduce the amount of care needed, PIP treats aids as an indication of disability and in general they score extra points.
It is not always necessary to provide new evidence for an MR if you are happy that the evidence that you have already provided explains your limitations adequately.
You can challenge the assessor's comments, you might also want to check the distance on Google Maps or the equivalent may help.
Also, have a look at the following;
You are not required to walk pain free but any pain that restricts the distance that you can walk should be taken into account.
Specifically for the Moving Around activity, if you are able to walk but you are in severe pain when doing so, then you can argue that your walking is not to a necessary standard and should be disregarded.
The legal test requires you to stand and then move (walk), so if you have problems getting up then you should document these as well.
If you walk slowly then it must take you at least twice the time to cover the distance as a healthy person would, this could be down to the speed of your walking but could also be the result of having to stop.
You must be able to repeat the distance, so if you could walk it once but not then be able to walk it again within a reasonable timescale then you should be classed as unable to repeat the activity.
I'm afraid I can't tell you how to show your walking is more restricted but things you need to think about is what you can't do, for example where can you walk in your house, how far is the toilet from where you normally sit, things that will count against you are any trips that you make outside, so for example, how do you do your shopping?
You must be able to walk the distance you can, reliably and on the majority of days, both these terms are defined in the PIP Claim guide
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
So you need to explain what you can do, how you are limited and why.
Gary
PIP was engineered to be a more difficult to award than DLA, many DLA claimants will receive vastly reduced awards or even no award at all on transfer.
DLA looks at generic care needs in regard to bodily functions, PIP looks at the claimants specific ability to carry out an activity such as eating. DLA was awarded because the claimant needed an amount of care (in time) during the day, the night of both, to help them with that bodily function. PIP looks at the claimant's ability to complete specific tasks within the activity and is points-based, these are clearly defined and it is easy not to score points because the claimant has not shown that they meet those specific criteria.
DLA treated the use of aids as a reason to reduce the amount of care needed, PIP treats aids as an indication of disability and in general they score extra points.
It is not always necessary to provide new evidence for an MR if you are happy that the evidence that you have already provided explains your limitations adequately.
You can challenge the assessor's comments, you might also want to check the distance on Google Maps or the equivalent may help.
Also, have a look at the following;
You are not required to walk pain free but any pain that restricts the distance that you can walk should be taken into account.
Specifically for the Moving Around activity, if you are able to walk but you are in severe pain when doing so, then you can argue that your walking is not to a necessary standard and should be disregarded.
The legal test requires you to stand and then move (walk), so if you have problems getting up then you should document these as well.
If you walk slowly then it must take you at least twice the time to cover the distance as a healthy person would, this could be down to the speed of your walking but could also be the result of having to stop.
You must be able to repeat the distance, so if you could walk it once but not then be able to walk it again within a reasonable timescale then you should be classed as unable to repeat the activity.
I'm afraid I can't tell you how to show your walking is more restricted but things you need to think about is what you can't do, for example where can you walk in your house, how far is the toilet from where you normally sit, things that will count against you are any trips that you make outside, so for example, how do you do your shopping?
You must be able to walk the distance you can, reliably and on the majority of days, both these terms are defined in the PIP Claim guide
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
So you need to explain what you can do, how you are limited and why.
Gary
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4 years 9 months ago #249708 by Francisca
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Thanks, Gary, for your reply. I put everything in the original PIP form, and included about 10 extra pages explaining everything in as much detail as possible (which is what I've always done). I sent two pages with the MR form, explaining why I didn't agree with the mobility marks for planning and following a journey. Since nothing that I wrote has been referred to in the decisions, I suspect no-one's read it, or they've skimmed it and ignored it. So, having gone through it all and had it all ignored, I'll probably just go for a paper appeal and send all the same notes and see if it actually gets read. Since Gordon has assured me the DWP can't change their own decision at this point, they're nothing to lose, but I don't think an oral appeal is worth the stress it'll cause - don't want to spend months making myself even more ill!
Many thanks to you both for your input here.
Many thanks to you both for your input here.
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4 years 9 months ago #249718 by Francisca
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I forgot to say, Gary, about your shopping query - I don't! My husband has had to do 95% of the shopping for 30 years. I can't physically cope with the actual shopping and when you add in driving to the shops on top of that, it's not an option. My local shops are 15 miles away now ( I used to occasionally go round the corner to the village shop - usually had to drive even that distance - but that closed. So if my husband wasn't here I would have to rely solely on deliveries. I also put all this in the paperwork but that wasn't mentioned either.
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