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1 year 10 months ago #270827 by prefer not to say
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Received 0 points for MR.
However there is nothing in the MR to explain why each score was chosen.
Is there something I need to request from DWP?
My MR explained my condition & how the assessment was full of inaccuracies & what I said was not recorded by the assessor.
Yet the accessors report was again for the MR!

Obviously going to appeal!
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1 year 10 months ago #270862 by LL26
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Hi prefer not to say,
The MR decision letter should explain the 0 points award, even if it's only something like, 'can drive which indicates adequate cognition and coordination and therefore can cook and bathe.'
Have another look to make sure you haven't missed something. (You probably haven't, but there maybe some hidden comment somewhere!)
Of course if there is no explanation this clearly indicates poor decision making. Certainly something to comment on.
Alternatively if there genuinely isn't any explanation at all, you could make a complaint. However run this in tandem with an appeal.
Make the appeal in the usual way ' fill out the SSCS1 form which h can be done online. If you write a comprehensive MR letter you could attach this as an uploaded document or write more if appropriate. You can include a general overview of when you were diagnosed and the effect of your illness etc. Then if you haven't done so already go through the assessment making 4 or 5 bullet points to form the major criticism and give examples. You can the go through each applicable descriptor and explain why X points shoukd have been awarded.
I always advise that it is better to type or neatly write the Grounds of Appeal on a separate page/s, clearly marked with name and NI number. If you type into the provided box it looks nice but often comes back as one long unformatted paragraph when the form gets printed and sent out to you and the tribunal. Makes it very hard to read. Hence much better to upload as separate document!
Start the Grounds of appeal with the comment that Having made a claim (or renewal) on X date, you received 0 points and requested MR. You were disappointed that the MR decision did not provide any explanation whatsoever, and consequently you now need to appeal. (Then include the illness overview/critique/correct points paragraphs as outlined above.)
Now the reason I say to complain is the possibility that if you do this the complaints team, who actually are quite helpful may look at your case again and review it without you needing to actually go to a hearing. They may not review in your favour but it is worth a go!
Basically write the same as per the opening comment in your Heounds of Appeal. Say that you are having to appeal because the MR decision gave no explanation. Your complaint is that you expect DWP to actually perform the Mandatory Reconsideration and provide cogent explanation. DWP has failed to do this and therefore has delayed your access to justice.
(If you sent in extra evidence with the MR letter mention this because DWP are supposed to at least 'consider' it - they may not agree, which is their prerogative but they do need to reconsider, and the lack of explanation suggests this did not happen which is a breach of their legal duty.)

Then you can say you have appealed and provide a copy of the Grounds of Appeal and any other evidence for reference.
Head the complaint letter Complaint provide name and NI number on all pages, and send to address at top of MR decision.
For a successful complaint you need to ask for redress here you could ask that a full Reconsideration is actually made with a full explanation. So that could be included in the opening paragraph.
It is important to do the appeal as well.
Now the complaint may not work, and is a long shot. If you don't feel able to make a complaint, don't worry it isn't necessary but could speed things up.
I hope this helps.
Let us know how you get on.
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1 year 10 months ago #270890 by prefer not to say
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Nope, there is nothing except the usual blarb explaining how PiP is based on activities & ends with they believe I can carry out everything without issues on the majority of days.

With the appeal - are they now back to face to face? As I believe it would explain my condition more with physical evidence of seeing me walk! Part of my problem with my condition is that it has not yet been diagnosed due to covid long wait times. So still ruling conditions out!

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1 year 10 months ago #270915 by Gary
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Hi prefer not to say

At present face to face appeals is not the norm, they have started doing face to face appeals mainly for claimants who cannot use phone.

I find if you do a good submission then that usually swings it. When I do one I follow the assessors report, I state what the assessor has given then I write what I believe should have been awarded and why, the why is the important part, especially if you can tie it in with any supporting documents.

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1 year 10 months ago #270961 by prefer not to say
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Thanks.
I did all that with the MR. I thought I put a lot of effort into my MR being open & honest with what I can and can't do!
Both the assessment & MR responses seem a cookie-cutter cut & paste effort.
Now maybe I have it wrong, as I think I am appealing the MR. Is that correct, or am I appealing the original assessment?

To give an example, below is one of the replies to the PA4 I submitted in my MR letter... but there was no reason given in the MR why I score 0 points.
PA4/Assessor :- Washing and Bathing  is likely that they can wash and bathe unaided reliably on the majority of days. It is acknowledged the HOC reports conditions and associated symptoms can have the potential to impact on the ability to manage this activity. However, SOH he reports he is able to access all areas of his home unaided. CM shows he is on a moderate dose of pain relief which he finds effective. SOH shows there is no prescribed aids to support a restriction.    My Reply :-  I need to use a chair when showering. I have an adjustable shower rail and can also reach the shower controls when seated. I need to be seated so I can wash my lower limbs. I am unable to wash below my knees and feet without being seated as I am unable to balance or support my own bodyweight for long and at risk of slipping.   I use a chair that is lightweight. So it is easy to move in and out of the shower for when other people use the shower.   Our corner shower cubicle is a low-rise shower which I can get in and out of without needing specialist adaptations. There are handles on both sides of the doors to help me balance and a sink unit within reach when exiting the shower. The shower room also has anti-slip flooring. I rarely use a bath. While I do have some difficulties getting in and out, it is not a task I would consider day-to-day due to how infrequent I use a bath.  I have already explained aids I have around my home to help me access all areas. My Naproxen prescription is for the maximum amount recommended by NICE guidelines.  https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/naproxen.html This is not a Moderate amount when used for long periods.   I do not have any prescribed aids at home. Any aids are either household furniture, or my own purchases.   https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046238/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf  The PiP Assessment guide states that an Aid or Appliance as Any device which improves, provides or replaces claimants impaired physical or mental function.


I am at a bit of a loss!

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1 year 10 months ago #270979 by BIS
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Hi prefer not to say

I'm am not an assessor or decision-maker, but I've read through your answer for your MR and I can see why they didn't change the decision. In trying to explain in detail how you manage your condition - I too read it that you could manage most of the time. I'm not saying that's right - just how I interpreted it.

For instance, you say you use a lightweight chair so it can easily be moved in or out of the shower. Is that you who moves it? You don't say - so if they assume you do - then they think your balance is better than you state. You can't balance or hold your own body weight, but you don't remind them why that is. You say there is a danger of slipping, but I have no idea whether you get the feeling that you might slip for the majority of the time and what causes it. You may have put this on your form, but if you did so already then you need to remind them of it. I think what I'm trying to say, is I don't get a real feel for the pain you're in and the difficulties you experience. It sounds as if you can manage.

You're right to argue about the Naproxen, but I have no idea whether you are pain-free with this drug (which I suspect isn't the case). As well as telling them it is the highest recommended dose, you should remind them in a couple of sentences what pain you are still in and the difficulties you face while taking it. If your doctor has ever discussed or prescribed any other tablets say so - even if you're not taking them now.

Make sure for every question that you are challenging, that the focus is on the difficulties that you have, regardless of any steps you may have taken to try and lessen the difficulties.

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