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TOPIC: support group

support group 8 years 9 months ago #39975

A few questions in relation to support group mental health

1. If a person has for example OCD and so often cannot complete tasks in a reasojmable/reliable manner because of inner distractions and ritual, (or other performance hanmpering conditions ) might they gain support group status in ESA ? Under the relevant provision

2. If a person receives DLA in relation to care / for cooking / care due to apathy neccesitating prompting to self care, etc / motivation needed to engage in cooking, might they found a case for the support group in relation to cleaning themselves / completion of tasks
?
3. Where does panic attacks come into the support groupb b territory ? completion of tasks perhaps ? If panic strikes very frerquently impeding task completion (eg several panics a day)

Thinking of theb long held principle that if a a person cannot repeatdly /reliably complete a task then they should be considered completely unable to perform it ?

And bearing in mind many claimants (even those with impairments listed above) can drive a car and use a PC at times, are those faculties likely to be seized on to undermine ESA mental health grounds ?

I am sure experienced members might have some ideas on these points
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Re:support group 8 years 9 months ago #39979

  • originaldave
XFACTOR wrote:

A few questions in relation to support group mental health

1. If a person has for example OCD and so often cannot complete tasks in a reasojmable/reliable manner because of inner distractions and ritual, (or other performance hanmpering conditions ) might they gain support group status in ESA ? Under the relevant provision

2. If a person receives DLA in relation to care / for cooking / care due to apathy neccesitating prompting to self care, etc / motivation needed to engage in cooking, might they found a case for the support group in relation to cleaning themselves / completion of tasks
?
3. Where does panic attacks come into the support groupb b territory ? completion of tasks perhaps ? If panic strikes very frerquently impeding task completion (eg several panics a day)

Thinking of theb long held principle that if a a person cannot repeatdly /reliably complete a task then they should be considered completely unable to perform it ?

And bearing in mind many claimants (even those with impairments listed above) can drive a car and use a PC at times, are those faculties likely to be seized on to undermine ESA mental health grounds ?

I am sure experienced members might have some ideas on these points



IMO and its only mine none of whats posted above would be, (the way its been posted) would be a reason for support group.... that said a good rep might get someone in SG

All I have seen written by DWP and looking at whats been wrong with those getting if i WAS DM :laugh: I would not place person in support group

that said when the time limit comes in for the other group then what happens ? as some of the above could take 3 to 5 years to become fit to work IMO
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Re:support group 8 years 9 months ago #39982

I'd welcome further opinions as Dave has not really explained why he feels the described scenareos would never justify support group status. Thanks Dave for responding, but you just didn't offer a single justification for your view thats why I am offering it up for more opinions before it slips off the last 3 posts box
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Re:support group 8 years 9 months ago #39988

  • originaldave
XFACTOR wrote:

I'd welcome further opinions as Dave has not really explained why he feels the described scenareos would never justify support group status. Thanks Dave for responding, but you just didn't offer a single justification for your view thats why I am offering it up for more opinions before it slips off the last 3 posts box


all of what you posted is treatable and none would be long term risk of harm to persons health IMO

I looked at what you posted and used what I knew of how DM tick and soon thought no support


from what you posted and how you worded it, and a quick look at the A to Z of conditions ..... the treatment for your post would be a mixture of drugs and CBT

what I did add under the new rules coming in, you would only get 12 months in the get ready for work group :)

If the help can be got on the NHS it could take 3 years :( christ it could take 18 months to see your GP him write a letter and your PCT agree to pay for CBT at special unit

but I would expect all of what you posted to be treatable and the person to return to work.
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Re:support group 8 years 9 months ago #39999

  • pete17971
XFACTOR wrote:

I'd welcome further opinions as Dave has not really explained why he feels the described scenareos would never justify support group status. Thanks Dave for responding, but you just didn't offer a single justification for your view thats why I am offering it up for more opinions before it slips off the last 3 posts box


Hi,

The questions you pose are ones where an answer is of opinion only. There is no 'right or wrong' answer.

Until such time as enough ESA appeals are taken to the 2nd Tier Tribunal stage, where in effect rulings or case law (formerely Commissioners Decisions) can be decided upon and the ruling passed down to 1st Tier and Decision Makers then all you will get is general opinion.

Pete
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Re:support group 8 years 9 months ago #40003

Hi Pete

Thank you. Yes I know that precedent will not be created until after a 2nd tier tribunal gives a decision on interpretation, and that even then cases will vary widely in their compatability with the guidance of the judges.

However, I have set out a series of questions and I am inviting any members to give a view. I have read the members guides and the situations I specified seemed to me to be at least to some extent arguably within the parameters of severity for some support group criteria. I wondered whether others would agree, or might themselves have had a fight on their hands ( or not) in relation to mental health related support group entry, for similar grounds as those I have outlined.

I do appreciate that the support group is often whether claimants on appeal (having won no or few points at initial medicals) end uop after a long and distressing fight. So I appreciate that many claimants, perhaps aproaching double digit percentages) are denied access to the support group.
This is going to be massive importance before long when migration effects a time limit on contribution based claimants.
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