esa 18weeks still no decision

Gordon wrote:

pollenpath wrote:

Is it not now the case (since the overturn in the Lords this evening) that people who are currently worried about the 365 days rule can relax for a further 365 days?! Or have I misinterpreted the ruling? I took it to mean the time limit will be extended by a year to two years. Hope that's right

I'm afraid it is something of a pyrrhic victory

Yes, the Lords have voted an amendment through, but all this means is that the act has to be returned to the Commons for MPs to vote on it, as all of these amendments were were put forward in the original Commons debate, and thrown out, it is very unlikely, especially given the rhetoric of Lord Freud this evening, that they won't be a second time, resulting in the original 365 day limit being passed back to the Lords again.

Eventually, the Commons can force legislation through the Lords as they want it worded, and there is still time for this to be done before April.

Gordon

Gordon,
I'm looking at this with the glass half full not empty. The parliament act to force things through is very rarely used, 4 times in living memory i believe.
Although Lord freud is playing the tough guy here, this is quite a complicated situation, and if the protests keep up, anything could happen. The guardian and its website have some wonderful articles on this, and I'm certainly hopeing that some good will come out of this even if by compromise. Say a review and delay on the "fair" timescale for time limiting. Some of the figures branded about for the cost are being trashed, firstly because they are for 5 years not one (which is very misleading) and secondly they assume noone goes back to work before the deadline or dies or gets better.
Having followed the debates I noted just how shifty and misleading some politicians and lords are, and on the other hand just how articulate, clever and caring, others are. Its been quite an eye opener.
I hope everyone will write a least one thank you letter or further case study to the crossbench lords. It can still have a great outcome.

Hi Gorden so to clarify, I am at the moment in wrag on c based ESA which in November 2011 was one year of award I was then sent a new ESA50 to fill in and was submitted before deadline in Dec 2011, my 365 days are up but if when they look at my renewal and decide that I should be in the support group I will receive no money anyway (if the bill passes)I thought that the 365 rule was for esa c based wrag and not support group but I think I have misunderstood, i thought that if i was moved into the support group i would continue to receive esa.I understand about the 365 rule which at the moment i am 6 weeks over, but if i am put into support group before april will I still get esa or has the form filling been a waste of time if it was going to stop anyway. yours a very confused hassled mum.

The time period bit of the bill has been amended - the House of Lords said two years and the government now has to decide what to do next - but moving to the support group won't enable you to get ESA(CB) once you've reached the time limit in the WRAG.