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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #97273 by MSCarer
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ESA50 (4) Picking up and moving things:
Does this mean using both hands? For example, if you have a stick for balance and support, then picking up and moving objects is very difficult and unsafe.
Page 76 of the WCA handbook states that “there is no requirement to have two hands to achieve the tasks outlined in the descriptors”
Case No. CE/1826/2011 in the Upper Tribunal found that the woman concerned needed her “other hand” to steady herself though.
So if you need a stick for balancing and support then you cannot pick up and move things?
ATOS Guidelines however seem contrary to this, again on page 76 they state that a person could manage to transfer a light but bulky box even with one hand by supporting the box against another part of their body whilst using their other hand.
(It beggars the question how you can move things in a wheelchair as you have naturally restricted movement in bending and reaching by being in the wheelchair.)
Can anyone clarify what the situation is: one hand or two hands?
As you can guess I am going through ESA50 form to complete for the first time.
Does this mean using both hands? For example, if you have a stick for balance and support, then picking up and moving objects is very difficult and unsafe.
Page 76 of the WCA handbook states that “there is no requirement to have two hands to achieve the tasks outlined in the descriptors”
Case No. CE/1826/2011 in the Upper Tribunal found that the woman concerned needed her “other hand” to steady herself though.
So if you need a stick for balancing and support then you cannot pick up and move things?
ATOS Guidelines however seem contrary to this, again on page 76 they state that a person could manage to transfer a light but bulky box even with one hand by supporting the box against another part of their body whilst using their other hand.
(It beggars the question how you can move things in a wheelchair as you have naturally restricted movement in bending and reaching by being in the wheelchair.)
Can anyone clarify what the situation is: one hand or two hands?
As you can guess I am going through ESA50 form to complete for the first time.
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11 years 3 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #97287 by Gordon
Unfortunately the Case Law you refer to was superceded by changes to the ESA descriptors in March 2011, when the phrase “with either hand” was removed, as a result you should assume the test now includes both hands. This is explained in more detail in the ESA Claims on Physical Grounds guide available in the members area.
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MSCarer wrote: ESA50 (4) Picking up and moving things:
Does this mean using both hands? For example, if you have a stick for balance and support, then picking up and moving objects is very difficult and unsafe.
Page 76 of the WCA handbook states that “there is no requirement to have two hands to achieve the tasks outlined in the descriptors”
Case No. CE/1826/2011 in the Upper Tribunal found that the woman concerned needed her “other hand” to steady herself though.
So if you need a stick for balancing and support then you cannot pick up and move things?
ATOS Guidelines however seem contrary to this, again on page 76 they state that a person could manage to transfer a light but bulky box even with one hand by supporting the box against another part of their body whilst using their other hand.
(It beggars the question how you can move things in a wheelchair as you have naturally restricted movement in bending and reaching by being in the wheelchair.)
Can anyone clarify what the situation is: one hand or two hands?
As you can guess I am going through ESA50 form to complete for the first time.
Unfortunately the Case Law you refer to was superceded by changes to the ESA descriptors in March 2011, when the phrase “with either hand” was removed, as a result you should assume the test now includes both hands. This is explained in more detail in the ESA Claims on Physical Grounds guide available in the members area.
Gordon
Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems
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