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11 years 2 months ago - 11 years 2 months ago #99576 by Bearer
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ATOS and DWP misinterpret this activity. Whether one can operate a washing machine or an alarm clock is nothing to do with whether one can LEARN TO operate a washing machine or alarm clock. Most folk who were able to learn (years ago) how to operate a w/machine will be able to learn a new equivalent task now.
But a significant minority will NOT be able to learn an equivalent task now. Yet ATOS/DWP makes statements such as "can use the washing machine" to dismiss any current incapacity to learn. Ability to perform a very familiar task, performed in the same way over years, is nothing to do with current ability to learn a new task.
I'm not sure if this is made sufficiently clear in B&W's own excellent guide??
But a significant minority will NOT be able to learn an equivalent task now. Yet ATOS/DWP makes statements such as "can use the washing machine" to dismiss any current incapacity to learn. Ability to perform a very familiar task, performed in the same way over years, is nothing to do with current ability to learn a new task.
I'm not sure if this is made sufficiently clear in B&W's own excellent guide??
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11 years 2 months ago #99580 by Gordon
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Whilst I might agree that the test is simplistic it is set by the ESA legislation
11. Learning tasks.
11 (a) Cannot learn how to complete a simple task, such as setting an alarm clock. 15 points
11 (b) Cannot learn anything beyond a simple task, such as setting an alarm clock. 9 points
11 (c) Cannot learn anything beyond a moderately complex task, such as the steps involved in operating a washing machine to clean clothes. 6 points
(d) None of the above apply. 0 points
You may wish to argue your points but claimants will be assessed using the above descriptors.
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Whilst I might agree that the test is simplistic it is set by the ESA legislation
11. Learning tasks.
11 (a) Cannot learn how to complete a simple task, such as setting an alarm clock. 15 points
11 (b) Cannot learn anything beyond a simple task, such as setting an alarm clock. 9 points
11 (c) Cannot learn anything beyond a moderately complex task, such as the steps involved in operating a washing machine to clean clothes. 6 points
(d) None of the above apply. 0 points
You may wish to argue your points but claimants will be assessed using the above descriptors.
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11 years 2 months ago - 11 years 2 months ago #99588 by Bearer
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I certainly do not think it is simplistic - more Machiavellian! Otherwise, I agree with all you've written, Gordon. But I don't understand how it counters what I've written?
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11 years 2 months ago #99592 by Gordon
I am not saying that it does, but you cannot dismiss the references to an alarm clock or a washing machine as they set the standard against which a claimant will be assessed, so a claimant will only score 15 points if they can show that they cannot perform a task as complex as setting an alarm clock, it does not have to be an alarm clock, but whatever the task is, it must be of similar complexity.
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Bearer wrote: I certainly do not think it is simplistic - more Machiavellian! Otherwise, I agree with all you've written, Gordon. But I don't understand how it counters what I've written?
I am not saying that it does, but you cannot dismiss the references to an alarm clock or a washing machine as they set the standard against which a claimant will be assessed, so a claimant will only score 15 points if they can show that they cannot perform a task as complex as setting an alarm clock, it does not have to be an alarm clock, but whatever the task is, it must be of similar complexity.
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