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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #105004 by Richard Sergeant
May 22 Judges ruling against DWP on ESA was created by Richard Sergeant
mind.org.uk/news/show/8895_victory_for_w..._procedure_is_unfair
There is a Judicial criticism of how people with mental health problems are assessed for ESA. Any ideas on how this can be used? I'm trying to get extended deadline and proper recognition of my condition but getting nowhere even with CAB help (just quoting it to a clerk isn't going to impress)
There is a Judicial criticism of how people with mental health problems are assessed for ESA. Any ideas on how this can be used? I'm trying to get extended deadline and proper recognition of my condition but getting nowhere even with CAB help (just quoting it to a clerk isn't going to impress)
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11 years 11 months ago #105006 by slugsta
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Replied by slugsta on topic May 22 Judges ruling against DWP on ESA
As you probably know, the government are going to appeal this decision. I am not sure that there is any way that it can be used as yet.
I'm sure one of the other mods will comment on this too.
I'm sure one of the other mods will comment on this too.
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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #105014 by Gordon
My legalese is probably incorrect but this was only an interim finding, no evidence was presented by either party as to DWP and ATOS procedures, so no finding could be made as to how they could be changed to remove any iniquity, so in English it means that there is no real opportunity to reference them.
As Mrs H has said the DWP have also stated their intention to appeal the Decision.
You mention that you are trying to get an extension on the time to complete your ESA50, I have to warn you that there is no legal framework for this to happen, only the DWP can authorise an extension and you should only delay sending back your ESA50 if you have such an extension in writing.
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Replied by Gordon on topic May 22 Judges ruling against DWP on ESA
Mr Tiredout wrote: mind.org.uk/news/show/8895_victory_for_w..._procedure_is_unfair
There is a Judicial criticism of how people with mental health problems are assessed for ESA. Any ideas on how this can be used? I'm trying to get extended deadline and proper recognition of my condition but getting nowhere even with CAB help (just quoting it to a clerk isn't going to impress)
My legalese is probably incorrect but this was only an interim finding, no evidence was presented by either party as to DWP and ATOS procedures, so no finding could be made as to how they could be changed to remove any iniquity, so in English it means that there is no real opportunity to reference them.
As Mrs H has said the DWP have also stated their intention to appeal the Decision.
You mention that you are trying to get an extension on the time to complete your ESA50, I have to warn you that there is no legal framework for this to happen, only the DWP can authorise an extension and you should only delay sending back your ESA50 if you have such an extension in writing.
Gordon
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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #105015 by bro58
Replied by bro58 on topic May 22 Judges ruling against DWP on ESA
Hi MT,
MHB is correct, The SofS is appealing this decision.
I believe the Judge has required The SofS to come back with suggestions as to how they intend to remedy this problem.
It may still be worth mentioning this ruling. I can't say whether they will take any notice of this though.
At least you can say that you brought this matter to their attention, and specified how and why it may be applicable to your own circumstances.
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MHB is correct, The SofS is appealing this decision.
I believe the Judge has required The SofS to come back with suggestions as to how they intend to remedy this problem.
It may still be worth mentioning this ruling. I can't say whether they will take any notice of this though.
At least you can say that you brought this matter to their attention, and specified how and why it may be applicable to your own circumstances.
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11 years 11 months ago #105029 by Jim Allison BSc, Inst LE, MBIM; MA (Consumer Protection & Social Welfare Law)
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Replied by Jim Allison BSc, Inst LE, MBIM; MA (Consumer Protection & Social Welfare Law) on topic May 22 Judges ruling against DWP on ESA
Facts of the case :
Three High Court Judges have ruled that the procedure currently used by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) to decide whether hundreds of thousands of people are eligible for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) disadvantages people with mental health problems, learning disabilities and autism.
The judgment, which was made public at a high court hearing today, is the result of a judicial review brought by two anonymous claimants with mental health problems.
The charities Rethink Mental Illness, Mind and the National Autistic Society intervened in the case to provide evidence based on the experiences of their members and supporters.
The case centres on how evidence is gathered for the controversial Work Capability Assessment (WCA), the process used to determine whether someone is fit for work.
Under the current system, evidence from a professional such as a GP or social worker is expected to be provided by people themselves. There is no obligation for the DWP to collect this evidence, even on behalf of the most vulnerable claimants, apart from in some narrow circumstances.
Seeking evidence can be very challenging for people with mental health problems, learning disabilities or autism whose health or condition can make it hard for them to understand or navigate the complex processes involved in being assessed.
As a result, those who need support the most are frequently being assessed without this important evidence being taken into account.
It was ruled that the DWP must do more to ensure this sort of evidence is collected and taken into account. This means the current procedure for the WCA puts some groups at a substantial disadvantage.
To the best of my legal knowledge the ruling of the three Judges stands until it is overturned by a Higher Court. The DWP may well be taking this case to the Appeal Court, but until if/when the original judgement is overturned, the DWP must comply with the decision of the 3 High Court Judges.
Three High Court Judges have ruled that the procedure currently used by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) to decide whether hundreds of thousands of people are eligible for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) disadvantages people with mental health problems, learning disabilities and autism.
The judgment, which was made public at a high court hearing today, is the result of a judicial review brought by two anonymous claimants with mental health problems.
The charities Rethink Mental Illness, Mind and the National Autistic Society intervened in the case to provide evidence based on the experiences of their members and supporters.
The case centres on how evidence is gathered for the controversial Work Capability Assessment (WCA), the process used to determine whether someone is fit for work.
Under the current system, evidence from a professional such as a GP or social worker is expected to be provided by people themselves. There is no obligation for the DWP to collect this evidence, even on behalf of the most vulnerable claimants, apart from in some narrow circumstances.
Seeking evidence can be very challenging for people with mental health problems, learning disabilities or autism whose health or condition can make it hard for them to understand or navigate the complex processes involved in being assessed.
As a result, those who need support the most are frequently being assessed without this important evidence being taken into account.
It was ruled that the DWP must do more to ensure this sort of evidence is collected and taken into account. This means the current procedure for the WCA puts some groups at a substantial disadvantage.
To the best of my legal knowledge the ruling of the three Judges stands until it is overturned by a Higher Court. The DWP may well be taking this case to the Appeal Court, but until if/when the original judgement is overturned, the DWP must comply with the decision of the 3 High Court Judges.
PLEASE READ THE SPOTLIGHTS AREA OF THE FORUM REGULARLY, OTHERWISE YOU MAY MISS OUT ON IMPORTANT INFORMATION. Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems
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