29 July 2004

In the course of pleading for ever closer ties with the DWP and Inland Revenue, David Harker, Chief Executive of Citizens Advice, has claimed that the controversial Glasgow DLA pilot - in which out-of-date incapacity benefit medical reports of ‘variable’ quality are used in preference to evidence from claimants - is the result of the DWP and Citizens Advice working together. At the same time, Mr Harker expressed ‘enormous pleasure’ at receiving an award from a multinational business which is profiting from the Glasgow DLA pilot and which also profits from helping the DWP identify alleged benefits frauds – many of whom turn to their local CAB for help.

Glasgow pilot
Since November 2002, claimants in the Glasgow area have been used as guinea pigs for a new claims system (See Unspun article: BOGOF! Old IB medicals reused for new DLA decisions. 29 July 2004). Claimants who ring up for a DLA claim pack are asked a series of questions. Based on their answers, they are then sent a much shorter claim pack. Instead of the current 20 pages provided to give evidence about difficulties with everyday activities the pack has a maximum of 4, one for each question the caller gave the 'right' answer to.

Amongst the criticisms of the pilot are concerns that:
· the short form gives claimants very little space in which to explain their difficulties;
· decision makers choose not to telephone claimants for more details because they are unwilling to accept their evidence;
· instead decision makers are using two year old incapacity benefit reports, which they admit are of ‘variable’ quality, to make decisions about DLA claims, although the two benefits are very different;
· the claims system appears to discriminate against claimants with mental health conditions, a suspicion supported by the a considerable fall in lower rate mobility awards for which the DWP will offer no explanation;
· the percentage of successful claims appears to be significantly lower under the pilot than nationally:
· the percentage of appeals has almost halved under the new system, even though the majority of people who appeal a DLA decision are successful.

Corporate amnesia
If even half the criticisms are true, you might expect national disability and advice agency representatives to be protesting loudly. David Harker, for example, may not be Ming the Merciless when it comes to tackling the DWP, but he’s still a man who gets thing done. After all, he’s already helped Citizens Advice to secure £20 million of our taxes to set up CASE, a system for keeping all CAB client case records online and allowing Citizens Advice ‘to use CASE and e-government services to capture hard data, and provide feedback to Government’. This allows the confidential case records from The high-tech project has been carried out with the help of ‘strategic partners’ Hewlett Packard and LogicaCMG.

What’s more, he is now pushing hard for CABs to have an unprecedentedly close relationship with government departments, even allowing them direct access to client’s claims in their newly proposed role as ‘government intermediaries for e-services’. In fact, so keen is Mr Harker for closer ties that he positively pleaded with the audience at the Government Computing conference in June of this year: “If you are from a government department wanting to develop a successful e-services project in the area of public services, please talk to us”.

Mr Harker is rather less keen, however, to plead the case of claimants who might be losing out under the Glasgow pilot system. Indeed, Mr Harker seems to believe that the Glasgow DLA pilot itself is really all about improving “e-services” and that it is the influence of Citizens Advice which has brought it about. In the same speech he told his audience:

“Some parts of government are already talking to us. For example, the Department for Work and Pensions is developing transactional services for disability benefits. The current application process for disability living allowance includes a 40 page form – clearly not suitable for an online service. The DWP recognise this and are working with us to develop a shorter form, based on a pilot telephone service which reduces the size of the form the claimant receives based on their responses to questions”.

Mr Harker appears to be missing several important points here – not least that if you have to ring someone up and be interviewed before having a paper form put in the post to you it’s probably not, in the strictest most technical sense of the term, an ‘online service’ at all. He also seems to have forgotten that Citizens Advice is just one of ten voluntary sector organisations which sit on the Modern Services Working Group, where limited information about the Glasgow pilot is handed down by the DWP and requests for changes and further information remain unmet. If this really is Citizens Advices idea of ‘working with’ government, there must be some very happy faces at the DWP.

Three clicks to heaven
Not, we should add, that Mr Harker is afraid to criticise the government when it comes to really important things. In his speech he listed a range of problems with government services on the internet, such as the fact that it takes nine mouse clicks to reach the Carers Allowance claim form on the DWP website.

A visit to the Citizens Advice website at www.adviceguide.org.uk is a very different experience. The site is largely government funded and is ‘the main public information service of Citizens Advice’. It aims to ‘empower people by providing them with the information they need to solve their own problems and to signpost them to appropriate advice when necessary’.

By far the commonest problems people seek information and support with, both online and in person at advice agencies, are difficulties with benefits, particularly appeals. Benefits law is extremely complex and deadlines connected with appeals are tight: as little as 14 days for some matters. But thanks to the considerable expertise, staunchly independent advice and skilled representation provided by CABs, the majority of those who get help from their local bureau win their tribunals.

Visitors to the Citizens Advice website can also get information about appeals, and not in any sluggardly nine clicks either. Instead, just two clicks from the home page will take you to a page entitled Benefits and tax credit appeals, which contains the following text:

“This information applies to England, Wales and Scotland. You can find information on this subject in a leaflet called: If you think our decision is wrong which is available from your local social security office or on the website: www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/dwp/2003/gl24_apr.pdf”

And that’s it: from government funded national advice provider to government published booklet in just three mouse clicks. Not a word of independent information to ‘empower’ visitors, no warning about deadlines, not even a ‘signpost’ to point visitors towards their local CAB, with whose help they will have a much better chance of winning their appeal. Instead, just a link to information about appeals from the very government department you’re appealing against.

But then, perhaps Citizens Advice are just demonstrating their huge potential as a trustworthy ‘government intermediary’’.

It’s worth noting, if you are thinking of appealing against a tax credit decision, that the leaflet listed above is actually the wrong one. And you really do need the right one, because the time limit for appeals against tax credit decisions is different to the one for benefits decisions. You can find information on tax credit appeals in a leaflet called: How to appeal against a tax credit decision or award, which is available from your local Inland Revenue office or from: https://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/wtc_ap.pdf

Oh, and that’s last year’s edition of If you think our decision is wrong, you’ll find the current one at: https://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/dwp/2004/gl24_apr.pdf

I wonder, could this website possibly belong to the same Citizens Advice which recently produced a joint report with the Society of Information Technology Management (Socitm) entitled ‘Better connected: advice for citizens’. The report examined government websites looking at how easy it was for users to find the information they needed and use the services provided. Not surprisingly it found that ‘government websites have some way to go before they will be able to fulfil citizens' needs for information and services’. Perhaps a tad self-servingly, the report also concluded that there was a significant potential role for voluntary sector intermediaries in helping citizens access government online services. The report is available for the hugely accessible price of £95 a copy from Socitm. Socitm will also carry out a detailed assessment of your website in order to ‘help you see your website the way that the outside world sees it’ for a mere £1,950.

Hmm . . . any small change left from that £20 million, David?

(I know, you could undoubtedly pick numerous holes in the Benefits and Work website. But then, our acceptance speech for awards from big business is still gathering dust on the mantelpiece, right next to the taxpayers’ cheque for £20 million we haven’t yet got round to cashing).

Anything you say will be . . .
Interestingly, in the same June speech, in relation to Citizens Advice’s £20 million IT project, Mr Harker said that “It was an enormous pleasure to have our success recognised in last night’s BT Syntegra Innovation Awards, where we were the winner in the government to citizen category”. The awards were made at ‘a gala dinner on the Thames in London’ which would have been attended by Lord Filkin, Parliamentary under secretary at the Department for Constitutional Affairs, if he hadn’t been ‘called away at the last moment on urgent parliamentary business’.

Coincidentally, there is one big business to which the DWP has paid large amounts of taxpayers’ cash for consultancy services in connection with the Glasgow DLA pilot. This has included payments for help developing a computerised decision making system. That company is . . . well, oddly enough, it’s BT Syntegra.

BT Syntegra says that it “helps organisations transform the way that they operate by applying business knowledge and technology”. For the last seven years its main contract with the DWP has been for the development and management of the DWP’s fraud detection systems. BT Syntegra claims their systems have resulted in over 167,000 referrals to Counter Fraud Investigation Services in the last year alone and have led to millions of pounds of overpaid benefits being recovered.

Mr Harker clearly sees nothing inappropriate about Citizens Advice collaborating with the DWP and BT Syntegra on a pilot project which may result in many DLA claimants not having their voices heard and not receiving benefits to which they are genuinely entitled. Nor about Citizens Advice being so enormously pleased to receive an award from a company which makes money from tracking down potential overpayments and fraud. Not that there’s anything wrong with trying to detect and prevent fraud. But bear in mind that local CABs help thousands of clients every year who have been wrongly accused of fraud or who are being wrongly pressured into repaying overpayments which were due to errors by the DWP. Many of those clients are people with serious mental or physical health conditions and people who do not have English as their first language. They are the kind of people who desperately need their advisers to be entirely independent advocates against an increasingly computerised, complex and implacable benefits system. Not the strategic partners and intermediaries of the organisations which are pursuing them unfairly in the first place.

The BT Syntegra award, it should be noted, was for “effective service delivery or interaction with citizens”. It’s also worth noting that the Office of Government Commerce lists eleven strategically important suppliers of IT to the government, three of these are: BT Syntegra, LogicaCMG and Hewlett Packard.

Win-win
Mr Harker’s vision of the future, it seems, is one in which Citizens Advice, big business and central government grow ever more entwined in collaborative, computerised interaction with citizens. The Citizens Advice IT project, for example, was chaired by Ian Alexander, then Finance Director and now Deputy Chairman at the John Lewis Partnership. And, in relation to his crusade for Citizens Advice to collaborate as ‘government intermediaries’, Mr Harker also talks in business terms:

“And the business case? The case for change is clear – a win-win of improved customer service to citizens who are amongst the most disadvantaged, combined with efficiency savings across major high spending government departments. This is an election winner for any government . . .”

So, now you know. Whether you’re a civil servant seeking debt advice from a CAB because you’re about to be made redundant due to efficiency savings, or a DLA claimant appealing against a decision based on an out-of-date, computer generated medical report, don’t you be glum: as Mr Harker says, this is a “win-win” business . . . umm . . . just not for you, citizen.


Response from Citizens Advice 24.08.04

I'd be happy to discuss what we are actually doing.

We think it would help advisers if they could get secure online access to their clients' claims details, decisions, payment information and so forth. We have been discussing this with DWP. Discussions with DCS have been about asking advisers views on the shorter DLA forms, which are going to be used to develop online applications for DLA and AA. We haven't formally been given any of the results from the Glasgow pilots, and I would expect advisers to have views that DCS should take into account. We previously arranged for DCS to do roadshow presentations to advisers on medical examinations, and there was no shortage of forthright criticism.

There is no agreement yet about whether CAB can act as intermediaries for any govt e-services, but we are trying to ensure that there is a role for advisers in shaping the development of the services so that they genuinely meet the needs of clients and advisers, and do not just offer a worse service. The drive for efficiency savings means that government is looking at potential intermediaries as a way of withdrawing some services, but this is clearly at odds with the CAB service role in providing independent advice.


John Wheatley
e-Government Policy Strategist
Citizens Advice


Please note: nothing in this piece is intended to reflect upon local Citizens Advice Bureaux, as opposed to the national body, now confusingly renamed Citizens Advice. Volunteers and paid staff at local bureaux deserve nothing but respect for their dedicated, independent and genuinely effective ‘interaction with citizens’ – for which, oddly enough, they don’t seem to qualify for any big business awards.

Links
Read about BT Syntegra’s fraud busting activities

Read David Harker’s speech on successful IT project management

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    L · 4 months ago
    It's just taken a year after they sent renewal form for them to give me an appointment for phone assessment which I don't understand. I said I was in more pain, but they were already giving me highest amount so why the hell are they assessing me, can only be to try and reduce it. I've spent a year being anxious and now anxious about having a phone call, where they can deny what is said or lie. A phone call should not be allowed. There should be a paper trail.
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    Antoinette · 6 months ago
    We sent our pip renewal in
    March this year we had a letter extending it until nov 2024 but our mobility car is due for renewal in march what’s going to happen 
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      Antoinette · 5 months ago
      @Antoinette That’s exactly what’s happening to us it very worrying and doesn’t help with my partners anxiety at all 
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    Anne · 1 years ago
    My son has had his renewal decision through (submitted back in Sept 2021), and has had his award increased. This is a relief and a fair assessment of his needs. I received a phone call from the assessor advising that there would be a lump sum in backdated payments issued, but it has now been over 6 weeks and nothing has appeared. I rang 2 weeks ago, to be told that everything appeared to have been done correctly, but as it's a large sum it has to be checked before being issued and I would hear in a couple of days. Still nothing... Does anyone know what the process for this is, and how long it tends to take?
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      Kelly · 4 months ago
      @Anne Did u get the back payment in the end why did it take so long if so as I am in same position 
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    Bill · 1 years ago
    DWP wrote to me saying my PIP has ended because I didn't submit my review in time. Thing is, they never contacted me once regarding a review. It's the first correspondence I've received in a long time.

    I've written to DWP explaining they have made an administrative error and asked them to fix it, but I can't imagine they will get back to me soon. Now I have to pay for the travel to my hospital appointments on a credit card which I will no longer be able to pay off without picking up more shifts. The irony being that this will make my disability worse due to less rest and more work related stress. Thank you DWP.
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    Natalie · 1 years ago
    I received my pip renewal answer today. They have taken it all off me. My higher rate for care which has gotten worse as well as complete non consideration of my mobility due to osteoarthritis and fibromyalgia. I have mental health issues and feel I have been completely ignored especially during my face to face assessment. I have waited well over 12 months for this reply and now they have taken it all from me.I am going to appeal but I’m not confident any advice would be helpful.Thank you in advance if anyone has any suggestions.
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    Janoula · 1 years ago
    Seen letter sent to GP re award of PIP, when in fact is a renewal. Asking doctor about ability to cook, bathe, etc when I have never been to doctor with that information, can't get an appointment for a new condition ! GP has replied very sparsely, named only 2 conditions out of 5 that affect my abilities. Didn't put all medications down either. Seems like a conspiracy to stop genuine claimants. Would I have given up my job at 63 knowing I had to wait 3 yrs til state pension if I really could still do the job? No, but even my boss knew I was not able to do my job to a degree of acceptability any more. But DWP PIP and GP seems to not want all information. GP didn't even put down appointments where I had asked about another condition that I have to PUT UP WITH, didn't put down her diagnoses of arthritis even? I sent all consultant and GP letters with my renewal form, not forged letters, so why this hassle. I now feel I am going to be declined when in fact my main condition of scoliosis can only and has got worse year on year. If you don't know how to screw the system, you are screwed basically it seems. Scoliosis diagnosed at 24, didn't claim anything til 55+ worked since 16, but now being treated as a scrounger. Hateful system.
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    C.Waite · 1 years ago
    Waited 18 months after I sent my PIP review forms in  to have a telephone assessment.My circumstances havent changed.I am disabled,use crutches,take a lot of meds for mental health and pain meds.I  am awaiting ankle replacement and suffer CPTSD,have already had 6 ops. No movement or feeling in foot. Today I received my letter.10 points for mobility 6 for care.Now only entitled to just over a 100 a month from just under 500 for the last 6 years. Apparently from a phone call they could tell I sounded okay and took no notice or inputted anything I told her.Basically I am cured now then?Destroy peoples lives these telephone assessments
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    Stuart may · 1 years ago
    I am currently due for a review on my PIP application I rang them a week ago to update my contact number and ask them if I was due for a renewal which they said I was they told me they had sent forms out on the 9th December 2022 but I never received these otherwise wouldn’t of asked them when I rang I was told new ones would be sent out but still haven’t received them and had a text this morning about a telephone assessment on the 17/02/2023 my stress levels are through the roof as I haven’t received any forms to fill in and I now don’t have any support as I lost my support worker as she was only a housing support worker so I’m surely going to fail this assessment as they will think I didn’t bother to send the forms back but I never received them in the first place. 
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    Liz · 1 years ago
    My pip extenstion is up at end of january .on the letter it states not to contact them they will contact me which i havent heard yet and nothing from motability about my car  very anxious 
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    Jane williams · 1 years ago
    I had renwel pip form Feb 2022 filled out form with lady at Greenwich assoc for disabled my pip is due to end January not heard any thing beside my self with anxiety have a brain fistula so need help more than ever can’t renew disabled badge or taxi card with council just in terrible state this is making my condition worse 
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    Princess · 1 years ago
    I had my renewal pip form from the beginning of July 22 and ve received two texts saying they have my form and that they will be in touch and ve been waiting nearly 26 weeks ...
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    Socrates · 1 years ago
    I received a letter saying that PIP “looked into my award” and they decided to continue paying me for the next 5 years, based on what I told them in my last review. However, today, I was due to be paid and I haven’t received anything! I have been trying to call them (called more than 10 times!) and every time, the call is terminated after I spend about 5 minutes answering questions about my identity! No reason, no explanation, I just get a busy signal and the phone hangs up after I answer the questions! What’s going on!? I have checked their website on the DWP website for any indication that they are having problems today, but nothing! 
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    Darren · 1 years ago
    Pip said this to me We have received your PIP review form. We may contact you for more information or you may need an assessment with a health professional before we make our decision. We will contact you again if you do. You will continue to get PIP while your award is being reviewed. You only need to contact us if your circumstances change. But not been paid from them today is my payment date off them but nothing has gone into my bank
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    Louise · 1 years ago
    I completed my PIP review in March 2022. Heard nothing until Sept 22 when someone from a PIP consultation centre called me for further information, Still heard nothing, Then I received a text this morning (14 Nov 22) saying they'll be progressing my review as soon as they can and I may still need an assessment. They are still paying the PIP but the wait is causing huge anxiety for me. 

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      Sean folly · 1 years ago
      @Louise Hi there lousie I have a learning disability and I been told lost of things that are wrong and I keep ringing them up but I get no response from them and it’s hard work to get them to listen to us and I just found out I got to have a hearing aids in both ears now and I put in a new claim in and I still waiting as I been told the doctors thay wanted to talk about my disability but thay did not and I kept telling pip no one listen to me and I get stressed out all the time 
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    DAVID COTTERILL-DREW · 1 years ago
    I sent my review back in March 2022, my pip will end next month. However, I have received text messages telling me that award will continue until review is complete. It is right that they should prioritise new claims. The delays are considerable and extra resources should be supplied by government. 
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    H · 1 years ago
    Whilst your waiting for the review decision and your still getting paid if you have your award stopped at the review descion do you have to pay all the money back they have paid you in the time it's taken to make there decision as I can see from the comments people have been waiting nearly 12 months will you have to pay it all back? 
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      Matthew · 1 years ago
      @Bex i have been on PIP since 2006 had 4 assessments to renew and in that time i failed all 4 so i had to go to Court 4 times,  each and every time and thank god the Judge did awarded my PIP, the system is FIXED, good advice you say by saying dont give up.
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      Bex · 1 years ago
      @H If refused always appeal . Yes appeal/tribunal is scary . But if you’ve had if before and still need it don’t give up
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    R horlock · 1 years ago
    I haven’t heard anything from pip sent forms back dec 2021 rang esa they told me pip have extended for a year because of covid then suddenly my esa has been reduced I’m assuming this is to do with the pip chaos 
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    T.W · 1 years ago
    PIP renewal forms received aug 2021 sent off and received by DWP in 2nd sept 2021 its now November 2022 and every now and again I get a text stating they will be progressing as soon as they can and I may need an assessment they have more evidence sent to them than I've ever sent. I suffer anxiety and depression on top of physical health problems and the wait it's causing my anxiety to get worse as I have no award letter to show anyone when needed. It really needs sorting.
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    A · 1 years ago
    My renewal was sent in deadline March 26th 2022 we are now in nov 2022 I'm still waiting can't apply for blue badge no prove of getting pip now spoke to blue badge who advised I have so not getting pip so I'm now without a blue badge still waiting on pipterrible how treated had nothing in writing had two text messages that's it 
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      Julie Jones · 1 years ago
      @Paul You can get your blue badge by not filling out you get pip give them other evidence I did this for my husband his pip is being reviewed since last April blue badge ran out February sent in evidence for his badge for 3 years hope this helps 
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      Bex · 1 years ago
      @Paul My badge ran out and pip extended blue badge are aware of delays apply anyway worded case you will be assessed which is what happened to me then I got my badge 
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      Paul · 1 years ago
      @A same here iam trapped due to my blue badge expiery
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    Becky · 1 years ago
    My sons dla as ended they havent renewed or looked at it yet some his payments have now stopped