In the last month, Benefits and Work has heard from four members who have received a backdated payment of PIP because of errors relating to the “Engaging with other people face to face” activity.  Payments have ranged from £5,000 to £12,000.

You can read more here about the errors that were made and who might be eligible for a back payment.

The DWP say they are looking at 326,000 cases where they may have got the law wrong.  However, they are moving extremely slowly and there may be many more cases which they have failed to identify.

But some of our members have had their awards looked at and found to be eligible for a lump sum payment:

“Had a call on Tuesday this week (5th) from a decision maker, she ran through a few questions with me, like how I prepared if I am going to go out and who I use as my support when I do that etc. She told me there and then that she was going to back date my claim to 2016 and increase it from standard to enhanced. I have just had just under £5K paid into my account today.”
Midnight

“Got a phone call I’ve been awarded almost 10,000. This is from 2017 to 2023. I was moved over to ADP last year. My payment has gone up to enhanced also from standard.”
Brenda

“My partner received a missed call Tuesday, text received stating they will call back Wednesday morning. It sent him in a whirlwind thinking they were going to stop his entitlement. The lady called as previously stated, spoke about the situation in hand and advised he would be receiving a payment in the coming days for almost £12,000. It has definitely come as a shock to say the least. I can confirm we hadn't made any contact with PIP (Dwp) in regards of this, they just contacted us.”
Shell-shocked

“Got my letter today £5771.35 owed”
Jane

Other readers have left comments highlighting how slow the process is and how hard it is to get any kind of response from the DWP.

“i sent of a letter a month ago signed for heard nothing so i phoned them and they agreed they had it but no one had looked at it ? so i asked what now and he said someone will look at it and i said when he said i dont know??”
Val

However, we do know that Midnight above, originally contacted the DWP in October last year asking for them to look at his case and finally had a text from the DWP in December saying they would deal with it by 11 February 2024.

In fact, it wasn’t until 5 March that Midnight got a call from a decision maker who asked a few questions and then made an immediate decision over the phone about back pay and an increase in their current award.

So, awards are being given to some people who contact the DWP, as well as those who just wait and are contacted out of the blue.

According to the DWP more than one five claimants who have been reviewed have received an award. 

We suspect that the rules are being applied as restrictively as the DWP can possibly manage. Nonetheless, if you think you are entitled to back pay then the situation is far from hopeless, whether you choose to contact the DWP or wait and hope that you will hear from them.

Benefits and Work members can download the following resources from the PIP guides page.

Engaging with other people review guide
A six page guide to who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Sample letters
Sample letters for people who think they may be affected by the DWP's error in assessing people who have difficulties engaging with other people.

Video explainer
A 7 minute video explaining who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Video transcript
A transcript of the video.

DWP Memo
A 5 page memo issued by the DWP on the subject of the changes to the law.

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    Louie · 1 months ago
    Is this for the uk aswell? 
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    gainor wilkins · 1 months ago
    i was on low rate from 2012 and i was disabled with athrytus and bowel disease wich ended in coloscapy back 3 massive hops but was only granted low rate


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    Joy Holloway · 1 months ago
    I am on stranded n I suffer with HS absess under my arms n it's really bad n hurts alot it stops me doin allsorts, sometimes I can't get our ov bed 😪 
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    Samantha Hepworth · 1 months ago
    I phoned them last week regarding this matter they said I am selected to be looked at but could take a year
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    Lee · 1 months ago
    Looking for advice,  I was awarded ADP last year but this was after my PIP application was refused. Nothing changed in my diagnosis, am I able to claim the PIP I didn't get?
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    Jim bran · 1 months ago
    Phoned this morning and they have selected my claim
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      Tina · 1 months ago
      @Jim bran Hi, that's great news Jim
      Just wanted to ask a quick question 
      Did you just ring up the DWP for this ? As Iam not sure how to go about it ? 
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    Jlee, Bath , UK · 1 months ago
    Is it good to phone them up to ask..?
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      janette · 27 days ago
      @val i was exactly the same
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      val · 1 months ago
      @Carol my assessment was the same even though my partner was with me i could not have sat there alone and bouts of crying she said she could stop the assessment but that i would have to have another one or my money why stop so my partner persuaded me to carry on i was phsically sick after ..when i my assessment came back o scored 0 she said i had engaged eye contact and was calm throughout !! 
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      Carol · 1 months ago
      @Jlee, Bath , UK I have contacted them to ask if I'm eligible for any underpayments for my wrongly being assessed on my ability to interact and socialise with other people outside of my home and if I am capable of doing that without the help and prompting of others. I am retired from work due to severe osteoarthritis anxiety depression hypertension and other health issues. I was also diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which resulted from a terrible ordeal threatened and held captive in my car by a  looked after youth I was transporting from police custody in the west Midlands to be placed in a care home in Manchester. I was threatened with my eye being gauged out with the keys he was holding against the socket of my eye and increased the pressure on my eye to get me to drive where he wants to. I was terrified and I was certain he would have injured me and I was going to lose my eye. He was determined I would do what he said to take him to his heroine addicted mothers address as his mates were sitting off at his mums house. The ordeal continued from 3am until 7.30am and I was on the motorway from 11pm at the start of my night shift  I was not going to his old address as I was scared of what I was going to be facing when I reached the address I was told he wanted me to drive to. But the point is that I was assessed by an ATOS employee who said she was previously a paramedics but she was looking for something different and she ended up with the face to face assessment stage for the DWP and PIP to complete the assessment of the applicant and their ability to do carry out the tasks in each component. I have lost all my confidence and I have become isolated from my friends and former colleagues, I have declined and made excuses for my not going to attend the event but the reality is the thought of having to be in a group of people in a restaurant  pub or anywhere else outside of my home is a terrifying thought I actually felt physically sick and I have never been able to get through the door without any support and encouragement from the family members or friends. My friend who has been a good support for me since I have been retired was with me and the assessor for about half an hour and so I was comfortable with her and she could leave me alone with the assessment. She was aware of the diagnosis of PTSD and the depression and anxiety I am having medication to help me to cope,  but seemingly she has recorded that I can interact with her and therefore I have no problem with socialising and mixing with others. So I scored 0 
      How would I know if I am included in the review of pip assessment 
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    M L Gamble · 1 months ago
    Does this apply to northern Ireland 
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    Lou · 1 months ago
    Looking for a bit of advice I’m not sure if this applies to me I was on dla In 2016 I got the normal care rate but when I was put on pip in 2018 I got put on the higher rate will I get money back dated as I should have been on the higher rate when I was on dla I also never got the mobility which I should have been on when I claimed pip but got it when I went over to the Scottish payment 
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    Val C · 1 months ago
    I  my sons appointee. He has been placed in higher rate for UC as his Autism and Anxiety affect his ability to work. They realised and admitted they had made an error before the Appral hearing. Now we are going through an appeal for higher rate PIP due to his inability to mix and have conversations with people he doesn’t know and also his ability to follow conversations and also read and deal with letters ( hence me being his appointee) assessed at home by DWP as needing appointee!) however enclosing the new decision from UC and also sending that to PIP they have still stuck by him not needing help and support in these domains. I have sent a massive amount of information, it took three requests to have a copy of the medical assessment, and that really was farcical in its content.( I am a specialist nurse and hope I would never glide over such important needs such as these). 
    We are now waiting for the video tribunal hearing . This is where we were with UC when they backtracked and put him in the support group for work. I don’t know whether we will be as lucky as this again. I doubt it.
    He is a lovely 23 yr old lad who finally got diagnosed with Autism a year ago after many years of difficult situations, anxiety and depression. When will they stop putting individuals into such awful situations and cause more anxiety?? 😥 
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    Sidney · 1 months ago
    I contacted the DWP nurmous times about this issue, they have never got back to me, and I had sent it recorded delivery. This was signed for, so they have received my letters.
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    David · 1 months ago
    Hi all fellow B&W members. Hope all is well. I’m still unsure whether or not I’d be due any backdated payments. Hoping someone can steer me in the right direction. I was awarded 11 points for my PIP daily living in 2018 and given standard rate ( being 1 point short of an ‘enhanced’ award). I was attending a mental health facility at the time, although voluntarily. Prior to this I had CBT. Is it worth me contacting DWP regarding this? I am reluctant to do so for fear of ‘rocking the boat’ with them. I’ve always had a rule never to contact them unless I absolutely need to-but I can’t help thinking they owe me!! Can anyone proffer any advice? Thank you in advance
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      Scotland · 1 months ago
      @David I was in he same position they always gave me 10 points even though I was treated under the mental health act. I moved over to Social security ADP in July and I received a call from Pip to say that they had not been paying mme the right amount and that they would be paying £7654 into my bank, I received it 3 days later. I was also moved to the enhanced group so I had to contact ADP to inform them as they were still reviewing my new claim. This week I received £3.000 into my account and I have now been placed in the enhanced group on both components for 10 years I have went from 10 points and 11 points and now I'm on 26points for daily living and 16 for mobility. So yes you should be entitled to backdated payment, good luck. 
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      val · 1 months ago
      @Diane but what if you went to a tribunal and they denied you ? surely if it is the law then the tribunal got it wrong ? im not clear so if it went to tribunal and you won they will not look at the award ibut what if you lost at tribunal ?/
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      Diane · 1 months ago
      @David Sounds like u could be due if Ur found to need support for face to face appointments given that Ur not already on the enhanced rate of daily living I would give them a call. Got this online if it's any use to u.

      The DWP is not reviewing claims if:

      The enhanced rate of the daily living part of PIP has been awarded continuously since April 6, 2016
      A Tribunal made a decision on a claim since April 6, 2016
      A decision not to award PIP was made before April 6, 2016
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    luluspice · 1 months ago
    Never got a letter or LEAP review despite meeting the criteria for Mental health issues affecting motability etc. 
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    Pauline · 1 months ago
    Am I right in thinking that if you won your award by tribunal then you cannot receive any back payment for “engaging with others?”
    I have had to go to tribunal every time to appeal even though I am severe to profoundly deaf and now have a deteriorating macular degeneration illness. 
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      The Dog Mother · 1 months ago
      @val @val My guess is ,and it's just a guess, you might be due a backpayment. 
      All I can suggest is you call them and ask ,and see what they say.
      I wouldn't want to steer you towards false hope as I'm not entirely sure one way or the other. Good luck. X
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      val · 1 months ago
      @The Dog Mother hi sorry to ask again i was on high rate from jan 2016 to dec 2019 then dec 2019 they dropped me to 10 points standard rate after a review i went to tribunal and they upheld the dwp standard rate so if i lost the tribunal which i did am able to claim any back payment ? i scored 0 in question 9 everytime even though i was recieving advice /prompting /encouragement from professionals and my partner 
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      The Dog Mother · 1 months ago
      @Pauline Yes @Pauline if you won via tribunal you are not included and won't recieve any backpayment. My first tribunal was 2016. 
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      The Dog Mother · 1 months ago
      @Pauline Yes I'm in same situation.  I win two tribunals by myself and an MR .
      So we aren't considered in this.
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    The Dog Mother · 1 months ago
    I've no chance as I got mine via tribunal. Twice. 
    Third time by MR, they changed the award that Tribunals gave to same points but omitted the engaging part to suit themselves, as they wouldn't agree with Tribunals findings.
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    Sue · 1 months ago
    I believe my autistic friend is one of those who received a backdated amount for “engaging with other people”. He only answers the phone to his mum and I, and I have to handle all his affairs as he can’t make calls and freezes during appointments. He has been on enhanced for both for his last two PIP renewals so I guess the payout is from earlier years. He received £4100. 
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    Miss F · 1 months ago
    I contacted dwp in sept 2021 to be told im in the list to be looked at. Still waiting now march 2024. 
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      Damien · 1 months ago
      @AA Hi I’ve put mr in as got letter saying not effected did they ring you with deduction or just put backdated payment in your account before or after you received letter 
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      AA · 1 months ago
      @Miss F They will get to you eventually - I waited 3.5 years. They might say you are not affected as they did with me. If so, have them look at it again as I did. They then back dated what they owed me
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    Yr · 1 months ago
    I tried to claim pip for my ADHD - DYSLEXIA -Mental health and depression I also cannot mix with others well or be in a crowded place and other bits and was told I DONT qualify for anything I cannot even go to anyplace with out some one with me I can use a say nav but still they say not entitled  to anything 
    I think this is so unfair they have loads of paper work from me I also tried to kill myself a few years ago because of my mental illness but they said NO so where do I stand 
    This is unreel 
    The tribunal even said I don’t qualify how bad is this and can any one help 
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    Eileen Wain · 1 months ago
    My son has bipolar and unstable emotional personality disorder was disgnosd in 2008 but bipolar he’s had from birth. He was denied benefits by a lying assessor in around 2017 and had nothing for 12 months til a tribunal got them back for him because of this tribunal they are saying he can’t get back pay for not wanting to talk to people he does not know but I have said the tribunal should never have happened if that assessor told the truth. What chance do we stand
     
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