Benefits and Work and Inclusion London have obtained counsel’s advice on possible challenges to the Pathways To Work Green Paper proposals. 

The advice suggests that at this stage there appears to be no clear or obvious route for challenge or ‘silver bullet’ regarding the ‘flagship’ elements of the policy.  Instead, individuals and organisations should focus efforts on challenging elements of the Green Paper politically as much as possible.

Benefits and Work and Inclusion London asked solicitors Leigh Day to obtain advice from counsel about the potential legal challenges to the March 2025 welfare reform proposals.  Leigh Day appointed barrister Tom Royston of Garden Court North Chambers to undertake the work.

Both Leigh Day and Tom Royston have a great deal of experience in social security law and we are grateful to them for the very detailed advice they have provided.

The advice addressed the following proposals in the Green Paper:

(I) ‘Focussing PIP more on those with higher needs’: the proposal to require at least one 4 point descriptor to be met to qualify for PIP;

(II) ‘Scrap the WCA’: the proposal to amend the process by which ill and disabled people can claim income replacement benefit, and the amount of money they receive;

(III) ‘New unemployment insurance’: the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit;

(IV) ‘Delaying access to the UC health element until age 22’: not paying 18-21 PIP recipients any extra means tested element in UC.

Looking in summary at the above proposals, counsel told us that substantial challenges to central aspects of the envisaged legislation would ‘be likely to fall at various places along a spectrum from ‘hopeless’ to ‘challenging’.”

In other words, given the information currently available, the chances of preventing the proposals being made law or overturning them subsequently appear to be limited.

In relation specifically to PIP, a range of issues were considered, including - but not limited to -the decision not to consult on this measure, challenges under the Human Rights Act 1998 and challenges under the Equality Act 2010.  But the probability of any challenge succeeding in relation to the PIP 4-point rule specifically was considered to be low and heavily dependent on circumstances.

Counsel did stress, however, that there may well be successful legal challenges in the future to elements of the above proposals, but these are likely to be to “contingent aspects of the proposals which emerge along the way, rather than to the elementary principles which were clear at the start.”

In other words, if the laws are enacted, then the courts may have a major role to play in examining the way they are interpreted and implemented but not in upsetting the basic foundations, such as the PIP 4-point rule. Benefits and Work will aim to support any such challenges in any way it can.

We are not able to publish the advice at present and we should add that it applies only to the four issues listed.  The Green Paper contains many more proposals that were not covered.

In addition, we did not ask for advice on whether the current Green Paper consultation is lawful, because our initial enquiries are primarily about proposals which are not being consulted on.

We know that this news will be greeted with considerable dismay by many readers, who had hoped that the courts could prevent such clearly cruel and discriminatory proposals coming into force.

Sadly, there seems unlikely to be ‘silver bullet’ or straightforward legal answer.

Instead, by far the best hope of preventing these cuts is to persuade MPs to pledge to vote against them, as evidence grows that the Labour Party is struggling to contain a rebellion.

As one Labour MP, Neil Duncan-Jordan, who won his seat with a majority of just 18 votes but who has 5,000 constituents receiving PIP, told the Guardian  “The whole policy is wrong. It goes without saying that if these benefits cuts go through, I will be toast in this seat.”

More facts about the effects of the cuts are being uncovered with each passing week. 

Making MPs, especially those with slim majorities, aware of how dramatically the cuts will affect claimant’s lives provides the best hope that they will never come to pass.

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    · 6 days ago
    I got a response back from Lambeath palace. I will post it here.
    Thank you for being in touch to share your concerns. The Archbishop of York, the Bishop of Leicester, and the Reverend Canon Alice Kemp from the Disability Task Group issued a response on March 19th to the Government's welfare reform announcements: Response to Welfare Reform announcements | The Church of England



    A number of bishops have also spoken about this in the House of Lords over the past few months, and the Bishop of Leicester has written for publication and spoken on national news about this important issue.
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    · 6 days ago
    We have still got 18 months before any of these changes can come into affect and then their will be changes and watering down possibly.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Leah Thanks for info 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Bert No Bert, because they are trying to vote the changes in around June this year, so even though they won't take place until next year, the legislation will be passed way in advance. The way it's being voted in means we won't be able to challenge it through a breach of human rights/discrimination angle, that's the whole issue unfortunately.
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      · 4 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout In London if you earn 50k you are barely surviving, in the rest of the country you would live well.
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      · 4 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout No I was just giving an example I live in Nottingham,been to London many a time though.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Bert Is that where you are Bert? In London? Wages are higher in London as it very expensive, yet benefits are the same as the rest of the country.
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      · 5 days ago
      @SLB It’s being written AI these days. 
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      · 5 days ago
      @SLB It would be worse in London what with the prices.
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    · 6 days ago
    Just found interesting doc online from Scottish Govt outlining how different countries approach disability benefits and how they are implemented. In broad summary:

    Denmark, the process has been devolved to local municipalities
    France, paper based assessment, in collaboration with client's GP. A document called a projet de vie is written.  This is assessed by a multi-disciplinary panel
    Norway/New Zealand - many will be aware of these countries after the last Government's proposals such as vouchers/receipts. In Norway, for example, need a letter from a GP with an evidence of additional costs.
    Sweden, similar to UK. First time claimants have a face to face interview. Reassessments are determined by the assessors.

    I know this is a very broad brush summary of how other countries operate.  I'm assuming in the USA it is up to the individual state, eg Florida on how they distribute any monies to sick/disabled people.
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      · 6 days ago
      @Matt Poland.  GP decision of incapacity, followed by interview in front of health commision, usually 3 doctors, one cardiologist, phisio spacialist/nurologist, and some other.   So the doctors can cover as many common conditions with their specialist knowledge and asses the person problems with all the medical evidence made available to them.
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    · 6 days ago
    A few days ago l posted that my PIP paperwork had arrived and l had been downgraded on two descriptors. Having now checked again it was one descriptor and it went from 4 
    to 2. Undressing and dressing.
    Bizarre as it has been at 4 since 2018. But apparently l can magically do it again without help. Overall I get 14 in daily living with one 4 in cooking/ preparing a meal so l won’t challenge it but how weird!
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    · 6 days ago
    Don't vote reform or Tories or labour in local elections and  people who think reform will be better are wrong go look for  his speech he'll screw everyone over that isn't rich any anyone that vote reform or any of the ones said they'll be voting  for all the worse things that are waiting there's still hope these cuts won't happen people are worried but the  governments over the years failed to do cuts there is massive uproar it's growing  .
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      · 4 days ago
      @Anon @Anon i definitely voting Greens in local elections. not voting Labour ever again. I not trust any other partys now after what Labour done 
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      · 4 days ago
      @Anon I hear what your saying. But don't forget Labour Party has back benches + Labour members + they lose a load of council seats on Friday, there will be questions on what Stammer is doing + the talk will soon turn to let's get rid of Stammer. The Unions are already slowly turning against Labour now.  
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      · 4 days ago
      @Lill What is your aim, to give Labour an even bigger majority? 
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      · 5 days ago
      @Dave I agree with tactical voting, but what tintack said is worth taking onboard:

      "I think it really needs to be a left wing party, and as things stand that's the Greens. The problem with Labour losing votes to the Tories or Reform - or even losing councils to them - is that the lesson Labour will draw from that is that they need to move even further right. And god knows they don't need any more encouragement to do that."
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      · 5 days ago
      @Anon Anon, sorry did you see my last posting? I can't find it.

      I did suggest maybe tactic voting in the council elections, just to get rid of Labour.

      But the way Rachel Reeves is going, Labour will probably be totally unelectable by then.
      She must be the first UK Chancellor to be working to destroy her own party + make it unelectable .
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    · 6 days ago
    There they go, finally catching up with the murky entrails of the monster they've allowed to escape:

    "information on the impacts of the Pathways to Work Green Paper will be published in due course"

    "A further programme of analysis to support development of the proposals in the Green Paper will be developed and undertaken in the coming months."

    Ha, ha, priceless, analysis to support development will be developed. You mean you're going to have to sit down at last and look at it properly, you lazy chancing half wits.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/dwp-pip-changes-older-people-35108747&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiJy_Wa0vCMAxWiUkEAHWfkKpEQ0PADegQIAhAH&usg=AOvVaw3IrAU-OoegyQV0z6MV0WAG



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      · 6 days ago
      @rtbcpart2
      "A further programme of analysis to support development of the proposals in the Green Paper will be developed and undertaken in the coming months."

      Or to put it another way, "we announced this cobblers without having the faintest idea how any of it will actually work". Brilliant.
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    · 6 days ago
    Talk about a drip feed, Timms:

    “In keeping with existing policy, people of State Pension Age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by the proposed changes.”

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/dwp-pip-changes-older-people-35108747&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi73JuZv_CMAxUGXUEAHVqnDwAQxfQBegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw33m87HscOucKoCZOprLdvZ

    There's a bit of wriggle room there, mind you - not "routinely" "fully" reviewed 🤔







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    · 6 days ago
    @Anon, where did you get the info saying the new pip assessment would use "a three-tier scoring system for descriptors: 0, 2, or 4 points, instead of the current wider scale of 0–12 across various descriptors".

    That doesn't tally with B&W's info:



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      · 6 days ago
      @leapoffaith Ieapoffaith, please don't panic + worry + let it get to you. If you are worried why not contact the CAB?  Good luck.
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      · 6 days ago
      @robbie @Anon Yes I really need to know the answer to this.. The situation is already terrible but I have been up all night & very distressed all day trying to find out about this.. Please does Benefits & Work or anyone else know what this is about?
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    · 6 days ago
    We don't need a silver bullet. We have plenty of other ordnance. We need to keep on with the opposition we're mounting, raising awareness among the public and mps.

    Too few understand these proposals because they switch off when they hear anything about welfare. When they get what's happening they'll see how everyone could be affected, because some of us are young, we are mostly ordinary, and anyone might grow sick and old.

    Even if the government were to win some legal challenges, the publicity would be damaging, and they might not win them all.
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    · 6 days ago
    Blasted thing didn't print in full

    @Anon, your post below about the proposed new pip assessment, if correct, would make a lot more sense (not justification!!) of the government's thinking, since it seems it would not just be a matter of trying to upgrade our existing points 

    If you can, would you kindly answer these questions?

    1) What is your source?
    2) Do you know which activities will be assessed?
    3) Do you know whether the assessment for each activity includes the opportunity to score 4 points?
    4) Do you think that the facts that those over state pension age, who, by definition, could not work, would have no support into work, could not add to their income by working (because there is no work allowance after state pension age), or in other ways (because other income is deducted from means tested benefits which pensioners can claim) and therefore could never mitigate their losses, mean that they would qualify as a specific group discriminated against?
    5) Would the disabled not count as a sufficiently specific group as a whole to be considered as having been discriminated against?
    6) Might there be a legal challenge to the redefinition of a group of the disabled who were previously awarded standard daily living as suddenly able simply because the government says so, and not because that group has gained good health? 




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    · 6 days ago
    @Anon, re your long post below about the proposed new pip assessment, which, if correct, would make a lot more sense (not justification!!) of the government's thinking, since it seems it would not just be a matter of trying to upgrade our existing points, could you answer these questions?

    1) What is your source? 
    2) Do you know which activities will be assessed?
    3) Do you know whether the assessment for each activitiey
    could never mitigate their losses, mean that they would qualify as a specific group discriminated against?


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    · 6 days ago
    Whilst I hear what you say about lobbying local MPs, mine (a Labour MP) does not bother to reply if the issue I write to her about runs contra to party policy. No idea how to get around this.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Lunip It's still worth e-mailing them. Even if they don't reply they will still read it. Stating that they won't have your vote next time round if they vote for the cuts will probably get their attention: nothing focuses a politician's mind more than the prospect of losing votes, and hence potentially their seat.
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    · 7 days ago
    I’m really confused.  I currently get ESA support group and PIP.  I don’t have 4 points on PIP.  Under the changes will I lose both PIP and ESA?
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      · 4 days ago
      @Anony Citizen Advice.
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      · 4 days ago
      @Dave What is CAB?
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      · 5 days ago
      @Scorpion The poor work coaches are just doing make-work for close to minimum wage. They are in the same boat economically as us.

      This is all just the millionaires against the 80 percent pauper majority.
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      · 5 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout Isn't that the proposed higher rate of unenployment benefit for those on contributions-based ESA? That is indeed time-limited, but as I understand it you would still get the standard rate of UC after that. I don't recall seeing anything about standard UC becoming time-limited, at least not (so far) from Labour - Reform's manifesto at last year's election included a policy similar to what you're describing, except in their case it was four months, not six.
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      · 5 days ago
      @Bert That's only the current situation. The plan is 6 months on jobseeker's allowance before being booted off - job or no job.
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    · 7 days ago
    ‘the enhanced rate is intended for individuals with at least one area of severe or profound impairment, rather than moderate challenges spread across multiple domains’

    What conditions classify for severe or profound impairment?

    The court system will collapse if these reforms are implemented.

    Extremely worrying also that more cruel cuts are planned in the October budget. When will it stop?
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      · 6 days ago
      @keepingitreal Yes,I got 2 points over 6 questions making  12
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      · 6 days ago
      @ellen Not really,I get enhanced but all 2 points over 6 questions giving me 12 points
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      · 6 days ago
      @ellen Can't be sure, but read somewhere that it is likely to be something like late stage multiple sclerosis, motor neurone disease, advanced cancer and profound learning disability (eg, Down's syndrome), perhaps a few others but when they mean severe/profound it essentially means around the clock care. Hence most will fail the four point test.
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      · 6 days ago
      @ellen Well if that was the intention it has failed: it's possible to score 12 or more without even any 4 point descriptors, ie from having "moderate challenges spread across multiple domains". 
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    · 7 days ago
    So our best bet is not challenges in court over human rights issues - but mass amounts of Labour MPs growing a conscience?

    Sounds like this is 99.9% happening and hundreds of thousands of us are f**ked

    How do the disability community not have a solid human rights case against the gov?
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      · 6 days ago
      @D We are no longer part of the EU and no longer have a written constitution which we had when we were part of it. We are now back to being subjects of the king and because Britain does not have a written constitution whatever parliament legislates is law. We are however members of the ECHR and they can look at the human rights aspect as well as the UN.  This is why our politicians have been attacking the ECHR  and the way they are going I would not be surprised they will also moan about being in the UN! What we lack is a clear set of civil rights like most republics do in the world 
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    · 7 days ago
    We all need to accept that what ever your disability they will not spare you. If they can get you off benefits usually at assessment or reassement by companies THE GOVERNMENT pays they will even it is just till you win at appeal.
    They seem to spent considerable time coming up with changes that cannot be stopped by legal challenges. All in all what they propose is nasty unfair and in my opinion wicked.
    The only thing that will change their minds is the realisation that they are losing vote share.
    Please vote against Labour in every local and by election. Contact your Labour Mp tell them why you will not vote for them