The Horizon software at the centre of the current Post Office scandal was originally designed to save money and reduce fraud in connection with benefits and pension payments.  Even though the Benefits Agency dropped the software, there are disturbing parallels between the way sub-postmasters were, and claimants still are, treated.

£700 million lost
Horizon was a joint venture between the Post Office, the Benefits Agency (as the DWP was then called) and ICL, a subsidiary of Fujitsu.

The intention was to create a swipe card system for benefits and pensions to be paid out at Post Offices, replacing paper payment books.

The project began in 1996, but by 1999 the Benefits agency had lost all faith in the system ever working and pulled out, leaving the taxpayer with a massive £700 million bill with nothing to show at the end of it.

In desperation, the project was repurposed to allow electronic bookkeeping to replace paper accounts in post offices.

And the result of that is now playing out in the media, the courts and a public inquiry.

Misuse of powers
That the Benefits Agency pulled out of the Horizon system it so its credit. 

But there are many alarming parallels  between the current DWP and the Post Office.

Both have the power to conduct their own criminal investigations and both routinely misuse these powers.

The Post Office threatened sub-postmasters with prosecution for theft unless they admitted wrongdoing and agreed to pay back all the money they allegedly owed.

The reality was that the Post Office very often had no evidence that any theft had taken place and would not have been able to bring such a charge.  But sub-postmasters were never given the opportunity to examine the alleged evidence.

Similarly, claimants interviewed under caution by the DWP are often told that if they end their claim and agree terms to pay back any alleged overpayment, they will escape prosecution for theft.

Many claimants agree, without understanding that the DWP have failed to show them any evidence of the alleged overpayment.

If such cases go to tribunal, rather than a criminal court, they are very often thrown out – or the alleged overpayment dramatically reduced - because of a lack of evidence.  The DWP has such poor systems that they often cannot actually show whether payments took place or how much they were for.

In other cases, the claimant will insist that they informed the DWP of a change of circumstances but the DWP will be unable to supply a copy of the document they received from the claimant, even though there is evidence it existed.

No legal representation
Both sub-postmasters and claimants are routinely interviewed under caution without any legal representation being offered or provided.  This would not happen if prosecutions were being carried out via the police and the Crown Prosecution Service.

The lack of legal representation allows the prosecuting body to mislead the people they are pursuing without any fear of consequences.

Obsessive secrecy
Both the DWP and the Post Office are obsessively secretive. 

The Post Office’s often successful attempts to hide information from the courts and the current public inquiry are a scandal in themselves.

In the same way, anyone who has attempted to obtain information from the DWP via the Freedom of Information Act will know the huge and very expensive lengths that the department will go to in order to keep evidence about their practices and procedures secret, even when it involves the death of claimants.

And there are many examples of the DWP keeping evidence from inquiries, government committees and even coroners’ courts.

Bonuses for wrongly recovering money
Post Office investigators, it has now been revealed, were on a bonus system for any money they recovered by threatening and misleading sub-postmasters into repaying money they never owed.

We don’t know if DWP investigators are also on a bonus system for recovering money from claimants.  But we do know that in the past the DWP has paid bonuses to teams for pushing claimants off benefits, including by way of sanctions.  So there is every possibility that fraud teams are incentivized in this way.

Benefits and Work has made  a Freedom of Information request for any documents which deal with bonuses in relation to detecting fraud or recovering money from claimants.

We don’t expect to get a genuine response anytime soon.

Fears for the future
The DWP have very recently been given powers to allow the mass surveillance of claimants’ bank accounts.

But, as we revealed last November,  the DWP want to go much further than this.

They are hoping to get the power to arrest claimants, search their homes and seize evidence.

After what we have seen of the Post Office scandal, such a possibility is truly terrifying.  The opportunity for the department to disappear documents, including copies kept by the claimant which would establish their own innocence, do not bear thinking about.

In the wake of the Post Office scandal, there is now a very strong argument for stripping the DWP of its power to prosecute claimants.  And there is an absolutely overwhelming argument for preventing them gaining any additional powers.

But is there anyone who will effectively make that argument?

You can read more about the connection between the Post Office Horizon system and the Benefits Agency in Alan Bates and Others vs the Post Office Technical Appendix to

Judgment (No.6) “Horizon Issues”  and in the Private Eye special report Justice Lost in the Post

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    K · 4 months ago
    I urge those who get rejected to go through the process of mandatory reconsideration, then simply reapply if you get rejected on appeal.

    It took me two attempts. First attempt, I somehow got no award whatsoever, yet on the second attempt I got awarded at the higher rate.

    They deliberately try to dissuade you from getting the support you need by rejecting you.
    Their job is to ensure the minimum number of awards possible are handed out, as a cost saving exercise at the cost of your mental health 

    It is an abysmal system.

    I believe that doctors/consultants should have the ability to fast track a pip award if they believe it to be needed.

    The manual application process should only be reserved for people who can't or won't get a referral from a medical professional.
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    Chris77 · 6 months ago
    Never had problems with DLA when changed over to PIPS ,ATOS I got refused and they said my Bipolar Disorder was a lifestyle choice. DWP overturned that decision after a very lengthy process. I also used to get high rate of mobility having Enlarged Heart, Obesity, Asthma, Anxiety, Bad Back etc. Had renewal which took 18 months and got low and high rate still paid. During review they downgraded my 
    Mobility to Standard. Like a lot of people I did not appeal this time. But now have put in for a late APPEAL awaiting to here back. 
    I went to a EMPLOYMENT TRIBUNAL many years ago and IT WAS NOT AS BAD as dealing with the DWP I would encourage others to go to appeal if there entitled to mental health or physical problems. The DWP clearly is counting on us not going to appeal. I actually am going to the appeal this time as I believe I am entitled to enhanced rates. The Stress comes from FEAR itself from DWP am thinking of it now as a positive step and its not the DWP that makes the final decision which is good. ONLY HAD MANDATORY REVIEW now going to appeal. 
    1/ MANGING MONEY ...BAFFLING was them awarding me 2 points for been able to manage my money. During a Manic Episode I bought a £43,000 car 
    3/ Managing Journeys.....again I think I should get more points for this as I cannot go to unfamiliar Place unless accompanied by someone
    so cannot just put address in sat nav and just drive somewhere new as I would be overwhelmed by anxiety. 

    Hope this helps the Forum and readers in my own situation. I am now looking at a Tribunal as a positive step.
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    X · 7 months ago
    I applied on  1 December 2019 with bipolar, OCD, GAD, SAD and migraines. Provided a lot of medical evidence.

    I wasn't assessed until June 2020 and scored zero points after the phone interview.

    I didn't appeal as I found it too depressing.
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      Tania · 6 months ago
      @X It is distressing the whole process. I had my review - it was enhanced for both before- but they dropped mobility to standard.
      I made a mandatory request - still no change award to 2025.

      I did an appeal, and I got both enhanced and, unexpectedly, an ongoing award with contact in 10 years. The DWP decided before a hearing.  When they were due to respond with their evidence....

      I have to say I went through a lot of stress and Lorazepam.  But it is a relief.

      They know people generally don't take it as far as the appeal because of stress/mental health harm.

      The phone interviews are sneaky they try to prompt you to give scores as low as possible.


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    Diane · 7 months ago
    Although I have successfully claimed standard rate PIP since my Type 1 diagnosis at 48, I have always found it difficult to accurately describe how my  condition affects me.  The questions are narrow and rigid, which is at odds with the very changeable and mercurial nature of Bipolar Disorder.  It is hard to fully convey the nuances of a condition that heavily affects ones moods and emotions, and I usually have to write an essay to further explain how it affects my day to day life.  The form is long and difficult to complete; that is made harder when ones mood is anything other than stable.  I am now in my 60s and physical health issues are causing more problems, making it even more difficult to explain, not least of all how my physical issues exacerbate my mental health problems.  I filled in my latest assessment form in June - still not heard anything from them over 4 months later.  
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    Lin · 7 months ago
    I was only given standard care for my bipolar disorder for 10 years even though I struggle so very much with it. On renewal i was awarded high on both components. I was so shocked I couldn’t believe it. I was awarded for 3 years. I’m hoping to get longer on my review as I have struggled for many many years with it and I’m on a lot of medication that affects me. 
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      Diane · 7 months ago
      @Lin Yes, sometimes the medications are a problem in themselves.  My Psychiatrist recently increased my dosage and although it has improved my depression, I feel like a zombie most of the time!
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    N Nicholls · 7 months ago
    Hi. When I was diagnosed with Bipolar and we added that to my PIP form (already on PIP as im disabled from CES spinal cord injury) they actually dropped points OFF of my care part of my award yet my Bipolar affects me terribly when I'm having an episode which can last weeks and weeks yet I questioned this and was told unless I'm having a permanent episode (a contradiction in terms) then i wouldn't get any help financially. Plus every time I re apply for PIP and have an assessment it causes a really bad episode... its just a mess and they just don't care. Iv had bipolar 9yrs and it's always ignored on my PIP application. And it was my spinal cord injury stess anger agony psychological changes and damage plus PTSD caused by the injury that brought on the bipolar.
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    Karen Keita · 7 months ago
    Hi I'm a 64 Yr old lady. I suffer from Bi polar type 2. I do have other health conditions too. But last year on waiting for pip decision out of the blue I had a phone call from benefits. The gentleman on the phone told me my claim was based on bi polar not other health issues. He then even guided me with my answers. Then stated he was awarding it. I thought he said for 2 yrs. Nope 10 years. He was very pleased for me asked if I was going to celebrate my answer yes with a cup of tea. I kept asking if it was a scam. Nope its true. I have done the training course on here. I've been awarded top rates on both. 
    So thank you.