On 9 July, MPs have a final vote on the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.

In spite of the concessions made by Labour yesterday, we are still recommending that you contact your MP and ask them to vote against the bill at third reading. 

We know that only 49 Labour MPs rebelled in the end.  But we also believe, given the speeches being made in the Commons yesterday, that a lot more would have rebelled if Timms had not announced at the last hour that they were going to remove the 4-point rule from the bill.

It may be, if your MP voted in favour of the bill, that after they have had time to consider things they will wonder if they made the wrong decision in the heat of the moment.

Below are some of the reasons you might want to give for voting against the amended bill, or you may have some of your own.  The important thing is that you make it clear, if you believe it is the case, that the bill still harms disabled people and it should not go ahead.


Hundreds of thousands of future disabled claimants still be harmed by their UC health element being almost halved, compared to current claimants, and then frozen.

The severe conditions criteria are extremely hard to meet.  The requirement that claimants meet them “constantly” rather than “for the majority of the time” is unreasonable and harsh. Claimants with degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis and muscular dystrophy generally follow a slow path of decreasing ability, with periods of remission.  Long after it is clear they will never work again they will have periods of remission.  At the moment, a claimant in these circumstances would get the full health element. But from April 2026, new claimants in the same position will only get around half this amount.

Claimants have not been consulted on the changes in the current bill at all.

The Bill has become a confusing shambles with little resemblance to the original text.  MPs will have very little time to study the ever changing government amendments before they vote.

A committee process that should take weeks or even months, looking at amendments and getting advice from experts, will all be done in a single afternoon on 9 July, as the government rushes the bill through.

The government wants the bill to be certified as a money bill, preventing the House of lords from having any say over it.

MPs will be voting without seeing a formal impact assessment of the effect of the bill on health or care needs or the Office For Budget Responsibility assessment of how many people will move into work as a result of the changes.

The way in which coproduction with disabled claimants of the Timms review will work has not been explained.  Given the very poor standard of the Green Paper consultation, it’s vital that the government shows how it’s going to do better this time.

Disability charities and trades unions are still very much against the bill, even with concessions.

The UC protection may be only temporary for 600,000 current claimants who get the UC health element but don’t get PIP daily living component.  They may not be protected once the work capability assessment is abolished and PIP daily living is the gateway to UC health in 2028.

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    · 1 hours ago
    Is it better to email (yet again) or to ring their office?  I emailed my MP both before the first “concessions” and after them explaining why they were still a disaster.  She didn’t reply either time and voted for.  I thought maybe ringing would hit home more? 
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    · 1 hours ago
    Hahahaha! John Crace strikes again! This journo is a genius!

    ‘Reeves had just one job. To look relaxed and smile a lot. She managed half of that. The Autocue had constant reminders. SMILE. SMILE AGAIN. SMILE BETTER. The relaxed bit was not such a success. Happy was hard. Her eyes gave her away. A bit like Gordon Brown trying to be chilled out.

    …Then came Keir. No mention of WINO. Welfare In Name Only.’


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/03/smile-normal-day-labour-family-keir-rachel-wes


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    · 2 hours ago
    My MP takes 4 weeks to respond. It took more than a week to get the e-mail telling me this.  My MP is Bridget so I don't think she will vote my way. 
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    · 4 hours ago
    I finally emailed my MP today and he say he aims to respond within 28 days. Not much use when the vote is next week is it?
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Peeved The more pressure on MPs to do the right thing the better. He, or his staff, only need to have seen the subject line to know what it’s about. It may well be read before the vote even if you don’t get a reply.
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    · 5 hours ago
    Labour MP Richard Burgon submitted an Amendment to stop the remaining £2 billion cut in the Disability Cuts Bill Announced this afternoon 1pm.

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    · 6 hours ago
    Richard Burgon Mp has submitted an amendment to stop the remaining 2 billion pound being taken from LCWRA. What a legend! Such a good Mp
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    · 6 hours ago
    Maybe the way to approach the Labour MPs strongly in favour is by making it about how labour is already facing a strong chance of losing power after this term and disabled people will not vote again for MPs who voted for thus absolutely incompetent and shambolic bill. The best chance Labour have of restoring their reputation is by dropping the whole thing and starting again doing it properly with true consultation on all aspects of any changes and plenty of time for debate and clarifications. 

    I don't know if it'll make any real difference, I'm not even sure if doing the right thing now will save labour (I personally dread the other options) but if they don't care about disabled people they will care about their party being in power and their job. 
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Kitty I made that exact case before the vote. My MP had initially voted against but hinted he might support it on 1 July. And he did. 
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    · 7 hours ago
    Hi Fog

    It is ALL damn well harsh and indeed I can remember listening in to the Liaison Committee with  Starmer early on when the green paper proposals 1st came out! 

    Regarding Adult Social Care Services and him giving a £3.5 billion pound injection in 2025-2026 (That does NOT even touch it )

    Therefore, instead of going full speed ahead to use the disabled as the 'scapegoats' for £5.5 billion which is now in tatters due to Starmer, Reeves, Kendall and co.,.

    He should have given them that added injection of £5.5 billion NOW for this financial year! 

    What I am getting at is before, they made these dreadful 'unfit for purpose' proposals they should have damn well ensured the NHS was in a better place, Adult Health and Social Care was in a better place and most of ALL ensured that they had trained the DWP staff to a much higher standard as they are NOT able to handle the 'Managed Migration' 

     With regards to doctors, specialist or otherwise! That is yet to come out fully in the public domain! 

    However, there has for a fact been consultations with them in certain parts of the country I am awaiting to hear if what I heard Reeves say on a Podcast a couple of months back and if she mentions it during the UC and LCWRA debates. Or between her Timm's enter in! 

    I have been in that place where Fog on the site is currently identifying about doctors. Trust me they are for social prescribing with certain conditions! Only to exacerbate those conditions more! Then again, 'no appropriate duty of care' for those wrong decisions, made by our doctors! Then you try and make them accept that you have caused more harm! 

    The GMC do NOT give a damn there are only certain very restrictive matters that the GMC will investigate. Offering a more than generous blanket of immunity to doctors!

    However, IF a GP is airing their political opinions towards you and there are excuses that we have NOT got the time for this as we are over-stretched and busy then there is a clause that on ethical grounds with the GMC that you can raise. 

    As I state it is yet to come out if or NOT which by coincidence I heard during the start of this Green Paper debate that I am awaiting to hear is implemented over the LCWRA debates! For want of a better expression. 


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    · 7 hours ago
    Dave Dee's comment is 100% correct! Disabled get blamed for everything. I've been on PIP for 37yrs im not going to suddenly get better im paraplegic. Assessments are degrading & humiliating! My last one 5yrs ago i was asked to move each leg individually, extend my arms straight ( left arm 8inches shorter than right & fused) and if I did not try it would be classed as a refusal, which could affect my benefit. Luckily the lady I saw (not even a doctor) said I'm adding you can't perform these action due to being paralysed.  No matter what government in parliament disabled people are always a target! 
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Michelle. D Funny old world this is 
      for it always is the same
      as its the rich who get richer 
      and its the disabled poor that get the blame!
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    · 8 hours ago
    I have emailed my Mp again and signed petition on 38 degrees. We cannot have an unfair two tier welfare system. 
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    · 8 hours ago
    The justification for cutting UC health/LCWRA element by half for new claimants and in future legislation substantially reducing eligibility to UC health is that it is a perverse incentive to be incapable of working and traps people into a life of dependency who can work. Which begs the question what percentage of current recipients might the DWP be able to get into work by instead offering more help and support into and towards work.

    The answer for those in the UC health/LCWRA / ESA support group appears to be, already doing some paid employment 2%, could be helped into work today 4%. Might be capable of working sometime in the future 22%.

    So that is 4% not working who could today work. And the reason they are not working is not because UC health is overly generous. It is because of lack of the right jobs and support.

    According to the DWPs own research of those in UC LCWRA group / ESA support group, excluding those claiming under the terminal illness rules.
    Currently undertaking some paid employment 2%
    Believe they could work right now if the right job/support was available 4%
    Hope to be capable of working in a years time 6%
    Hope to be capable of working in 2 years time 5%
    Hope to be capable of working in over 2 years time (sometime in the future) 9%
    Do not completely rule out the possibility of being capable of working sometime in the future but believe it is unlikely 2%
    Total of above groups is 28% of those surveyed either in work or might in the future be capable of working.

    Of those who believe they might be able to work in the future.
    Believe they might in the future be capable of working up to 15 hours a week 40%
    Believe they might in the future be capable of working between 15 and 30 hours a week 15%
    Believe they might in the future be capable of working 30 hours or more 30%
    Believe they might in the future be capable of some self-employment 12%

    DWP research paper "The work aspirations and support needs of claimants in the ESA Support Group and Universal Credit equivalent"
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    · 9 hours ago
    My mp doesn't care so no point even contacting him further .
    He voted for winter fuel cuts & name wasn't on the list who disagreed with benefit reforms.  
    I live in a poor area of Gtr Manchester .
    Disgrace that he represents my Town he must be a brown nose Starmer fan .
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    · 9 hours ago
    Should There Be a People’s Public Inquiry into the DWP?

    Surely enough is enough.

    After more than a year of political posturing and proposals that have brutalised disabled people — including the deeply damaging welfare reform bill crammed through the Commons this week — the system is in crisis. From deaths and deteriorating health to ignored coroners’ warnings and rising poverty, countless lives have been harmed while governments continue to avoid accountability.

    Should there now be a People’s Public Inquiry into the actions of the DWP and successive governments?

    This wouldn’t be an official inquiry with legal powers, but a serious, independent investigation led by respected voices from civil society. I’m not in a position to organise this myself — but I wonder if it’s time for our community to come together and make it happen.


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    Other People’s Inquiries Have Made a Difference

    People’s inquiries have been used before when government refused to act:

    The People’s Covid Inquiry (2020–21), led by Keep Our NHS Public and chaired by Michael Mansfield KC, gathered public testimony and helped build pressure for the official Covid inquiry.

    Unite’s People’s Inquiry into Privatisation highlighted the effects of outsourcing on vital public services.

    There was also a People’s Inquiry into Grenfell early on, helping give voice to residents who were being ignored.


    They didn’t have legal powers — but they helped expose the truth, shape public debate, and demand justice.


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    What Could a People’s Inquiry into the DWP Look At?

    The human cost of PIP, the WCA, sanctions, and delays

    Patterns in deaths, suicides, and long-term deterioration in health

    Repeated failures to act on coroners’ warnings or legal rulings

    The influence of private contractors and corporate ideology

    Suppressed data and lack of transparency



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    How Could It Work?

    1. An Independent Panel:
    Made up of 4–6 respected figures, such as:

    A retired judge or barrister

    Disabled person(s) with lived experience

    A mental health or trauma expert

    A public health academic

    Possibly a faith or ethics leader


    2. Advisory Group:

    Bereaved families

    DPOs

    Legal experts

    Frontline professionals

    Campaigners and whistleblowers


    3. Public Call for Evidence:

    Testimonies from disabled people

    Family submissions

    Former DWP staff

    Medical/legal reports

    Coroner’s prevention of future deaths notices


    4. Thematic Hearings:
    Public sessions (in person or online) on:

    Medical assessments and psychological harm

    Suicides and deteriorating mental health

    Sanctions and hardship

    Ideological and corporate influence

    Human rights breaches (e.g. under the UNCRPD)


    5. Final Report:

    Real-life case studies and survivor testimony

    Key findings and recommendations

    A call for a formal statutory inquiry or parliamentary action



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    Who Could Be Involved?

    Campaign groups:

    DPAC

    Inclusion London

    Black Triangle

    Campaign for Disability Justice

    WOW Petition


    Legal/advocacy orgs:

    Z2K

    Mind

    Liberty

    Public Law Project

    Justice


    Experts and journalists:

    Dr Ben Baumberg Geiger

    Dr David Webster

    Prof Peter Beresford

    John Pring (Disability News Service)

    Frances Ryan and Patrick Butler (The Guardian)



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    Why Now?

    The rushed welfare bill — passed this week despite widespread concern — has only deepened public distrust. The human impact of the current system still hasn’t been properly addressed.

    Disabled people have waited long enough for truth, accountability, and justice.


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    What Do You Think?

    Should there be a People’s Public Inquiry into the harm caused by the DWP and successive governments?

    It wouldn’t have legal powers — but it could gather real stories, centre disabled voices, and build pressure for lasting change.

    I’m not in a position to organise it — but I’d welcome thoughts, feedback, or ideas.
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      · 4 hours ago
      @CaroA Absolutely! Thank you for this. I have been a quiet part of this community and not commented until now. As I am feeling beyond fearful for my future with all this toing and throwing but would 100 percent agree this would be a great idea, however, due to my condition I could not take this role on but would 100 percent back this. I think it is a brilliant idea. We need our own Alan B people’s champ (Post-office scandal advocate.) Whilst some voices have and are being heard, there is not enough. I am very saddened but far from shocked to hear and see how the ableist attitudes from some of the people in power are being filtered down into society, the medias portrayal, and the contemptuous attitudes it is encouraging is frightening. 

      Now I worry that they are putting the potential tax rises onus on the recipients of PIP and UC, and this is extremely detrimental and mentally distressing to those in receipt of needing this support. I already feel the shame of needing benefits because of my current situation. as have up until the last few years, always had a decent job that allowed me to survive. And jobs that I worked hard to get, as like many working-class people. The shame I feel about needing this support is something I carry daily, and to be honest without this support which I am so grateful for I may not have been able to keep a roof over my head or worse still even be here without. Of course, I do not want to stay in this situation and would accept the right support but need the support that would allow me to manage my condition to a decent standard of living. And as it currently stands it is just not there! I do feel trapped, isolated, and it is a lonely battle in my own head. However, forcing me to take a job that will not allow me to manage my condition will break me not fix me.
       
      I have tried to get my voice heard, by signing petitions, and contacting my local MP, for which I received no reply! I have also completed several pathways to work green paper consultations, with the same message paraphrased and am sure many of those that did complete one are reiterating the same message too. I just hope it resonates with the right person who hopefully has integrity and empathy and will amplify the views of people like me. This is why I agree with you @carol that we need a public people’s enquiry. I have little faith or trust that the feedback will even be acknowledged in this absolute farce of a pantomime, which is toying with people’s lives. How will we ever know if the feedback is even read? Let alone considered as a way forward to implement fairer policies that work for people that it affects.
      More dismay, as they are now upping the ante on attacking mental health, which is not a choice, physical or mental health are not choices, they neither are they like a cold that goes away. I would like to work but under my current circumstances and with how the current dire system stands cannot. I now feel like a sitting duck and since this despicable debacle of proposed change, I have through fear and worry about having to keep a roof over my head been searching for potential jobs, that I know if I did apply and get will not last 5 minutes in with my current needs.

      I want to thank Benefit and Works for holding this space for people affected by the proposed changers. Also thank you to this wonderful community and those members that have and are fantastic in simplifying the complexities of parliament, Thus, helping me to understand how it all works. My fear and anxiety create a barrier to my comprehension in this matter; I just cannot absorb the information when in a state of panic. So please know your efforts have helped alleviate some of this and are much appreciated. I wish you all well and will continue to have hope that everyone gets the outcome they NEED as this isn’t about what we want, it is about what we all NEED in our lives to make maybe a little part of it less challenging than it already is.

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    · 10 hours ago
    Can someone explain to me something about the Timms review could all PIP claimants now be reviewed similar to change from DLA to PIP - we couldn't deal with that again? Need to sussgest this to our MPs??
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    · 11 hours ago
    ''The requirement that claimants meet them “constantly” rather than “for the majority of the time” is unreasonable and harsh. Claimants with degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis and muscular dystrophy generally follow a slow path of decreasing ability, with periods of remission.''

    Its not just those diseases! 

    Where the hell are the specialist doctors in all of this? 
    Why arent they sticking up for us? 
    They know that there are many diseases which are completely crippling but there are periods when it is possible to move about a bit and appear to be normal, but afterwards this just makes the symptoms worse...

    I feel like calling the GMC and screaming down the phone at them. What the bloody hell are you bloody doctors doing about this?!!!

    These proposals are akin to pulling people, out of hospice beds, or high dependency wards, who have already been found to meet the Gov 2008 severe conditions criteria, and are in the LCWRA group, (will never work again) and dumping them on the street with nothing at all.


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      · 1 hours ago
      @Helen Galloway I think that's a really good idea - if we could a GP or two on board as well that might help.
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Fog Perhaps a group of us should write to them or try and organise something to get them to look at this . That’s what they are supposed be doing and getting paid for. Perhaps we have someone here with good links and good at this. I know lots of people have been speaking to MP’s from here  doing a marvellous job. Wonder if they could get in touch. 
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    · 12 hours ago
    My mp dosent care, he's in favour.  He only interested in his career
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Tuxcat They need to be publicly named and shamed
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Tuxcat His carer will become toast with that attitude! He is there to serve people not the other way around in a democracy so come election time actively campaign for his competitors in the Libdems or Green party and get rid of him! He has no place in politics if that is his attitude towards his constituents 
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    · 13 hours ago
    And even if some people can get the pip on the new style system with timms writing the rules their surely will be some kind of duty to engage with it as part of the award 
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      · 1 hours ago
      @john John, is there a source for this please? I'm supporting someone who's severely disabled and also severely distressed, and further info about what those exceptions might be could help. Thanks!
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Egg and chips From 2028 when the WCA and LCW LCWRA are abolished and people receive UC health based on receiving PIP daily living. For those on UC health the government plans at first to only require they engage in support conversations with a job centre work coach (with some exceptions). To discus their aspiration to work and how the DWP can help them achieve that aspiration. If too few people on UC health take up the suggestions/support offered and move into work. Then the government plans to consider increasing the conditionality and sanctions regime to help more people on UC health into work. 
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    · 16 hours ago
    @sib, re your post about having to get pip to get uc health element -
    "Alternatively it could bite Labour on the backside and they could end up getting PIP as well!"

    Which is exactly the sort of thing that happens time and time over when one income
    stream is denied or lost or is inadequate:

    delayed state pension - people claim pip/esa then keep pip on top of pension
    winter fuel allowance withdrawn - people claim pension credit then get wfa on top
    uc/jsa/esa/job - people claim pip/housing benefit then keep them on top of uc/jsa/esa/job
    job - people claim uc/jsa/esa/pip/housing benefit/furlough then keep some combination
    housing benefit - people claim pip then get both on top of job/jsa/esa/pension/pension credit
    pip - people claim carers allowance as well
    Uc - people claim pip then get both, plus health element
    anything - people claim everything
    everything - people go to food banks

    The list is not exhaustive. When one benefit is claimed it is almost inevitable that losing it will impact another and tip the household into poverty, so they find something else to claim, how can they not?

    Of course the number of pip claimants will increase. People will have to claim it to get health element, or they'll have less. When people get less, they're forced to apply for other things so then they have more. But that's all ok, cos it's gonna save the treasury billions.

    No wonder Rachel Thieves was weeping. She so wanted people to have less but she keeps giving them more. She just can't help it. It's like a curse, and the wicked witches of the west, Endall and Gayner will never lift it, because they're under the super curse of Harmer and only the people with special powers, the sick and poor, and very small mps can see it
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      · 2 hours ago
      @godgivemestrength sorry but you are forgetting contribution based esa support group
      non means tested no help warm discount no help cost of living no help at all in fact brcause it isnt s meansctested benefit so it cuts all help but im greatful
      to get esa support grouo contribution based 
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    · 21 hours ago
    Is lcwra definitely being scrapped or will there be a vote on it?
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      · 2 hours ago
      @john then lets hope its thrown out out out its not fit for purpose leave o a p and sick and diabled people alone 
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Anon Bill passage

      We are now at Committee stage.

      Next stage is 3rd reading.

      Then House of Lords and Royal Assent.

      However, I don’t think the Bill includes scrapping LCWRA.

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      · 8 hours ago
      @YogiBear Yes it requires primary legislation. And in the Pathways to Work green paper the government says it will pass primary legislation to abolish the Work Capability Assessment and LCW LCWRA groups, and replace the system with UC health based on receiving PIP daily living.

      To pass or amend primary legislation requires a debate and vote in parliament. 
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      · 12 hours ago
      @John What are the chances if it getting voted against do we don't lose those groups 
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      · 19 hours ago
      @John Is that definite John?

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