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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #104458 by mumsgirl
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Why do they ask you if you have a bath or a shower? I know it's probably to do with motivation or a physical problem, but is there a difference between a bath and a shower (obviously there is a physical difference!). I mean is one for more 'disabling' illlnesses than the other? Or does it not really matter, are they just trying to see if you can look after your hygiene?
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11 years 11 months ago #104477 by Gordon
Ignoring the motivation issues of bathing, baths and showers require different physical activities.
A bath requires you to climb into it whereas a shower can usually be stepped into.
You may require physical assistance for a bath but not a shower.
You have to sit down, kneel or lie in a bath, you usually stand in a shower, although you may be able to sit if there is space for a suitable stool.
The physical actions of washing can be different between the two.
There may be therapeutic aspects to a bath or shower, but one may cause harm while the other helps.
etc.
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mumsgirl wrote: Why do they ask you if you have a bath or a shower? I know it's probably to do with motivation or a physical problem, but is there a difference between a bath and a shower (obviously there is a physical difference!). I mean is one for more 'disabling' illlnesses than the other? Or does it not really matter, are they just trying to see if you can look after your hygiene?
Ignoring the motivation issues of bathing, baths and showers require different physical activities.
A bath requires you to climb into it whereas a shower can usually be stepped into.
You may require physical assistance for a bath but not a shower.
You have to sit down, kneel or lie in a bath, you usually stand in a shower, although you may be able to sit if there is space for a suitable stool.
The physical actions of washing can be different between the two.
There may be therapeutic aspects to a bath or shower, but one may cause harm while the other helps.
etc.
Gordon
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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #104594 by mumsgirl
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I'm very confused! Can you please tell me what the support group regulations are? I thought earlier on this thread it says 29 & 35, but the Black Triangle say on their site that it's 25 & 31 because of the new up to date regualtions that came in at the end of January?
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11 years 11 months ago #104596 by Gordon
They have not read the legislation properly.
The new ESA Regulations apply to ESA being claimed as part of the Universal Credit and therefore do not apply to existing ESA claimants.
Further, as the DWP do not intend to process anybody unable to work due to sickness or disability before October of this year, no one will be affected before then, how they will deal with existing ESA claimants or claimants being re-assessed outside of UC after October, is not clear at this time.
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mumsgirl wrote: I'm very confused! Can you please tell me what the support group regulations are? I thought earlier on this thread it says 29 & 35, but the Black Triangle say on their site that it's 25 & 31 because of the new up to date regualtions that came in at the end of January?
They have not read the legislation properly.
The new ESA Regulations apply to ESA being claimed as part of the Universal Credit and therefore do not apply to existing ESA claimants.
Further, as the DWP do not intend to process anybody unable to work due to sickness or disability before October of this year, no one will be affected before then, how they will deal with existing ESA claimants or claimants being re-assessed outside of UC after October, is not clear at this time.
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11 years 11 months ago #104605 by bro58
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Hi mg,
You are not the only one who is getting confused by conflicting information regarding ESA Regs 25/31 & 29/35 on other sites :
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/forum?view=top...d=10&id=97934#103948
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You are not the only one who is getting confused by conflicting information regarding ESA Regs 25/31 & 29/35 on other sites :
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/forum?view=top...d=10&id=97934#103948
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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #104924 by mumsgirl
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I have to send my esa form back at the end of the week. Before I do can I just check with yourselves that the following things are OK to include -
The instruction leaflet on my anti depressants that shows the side effects?
My prescription list
Mentioning that I believe I fit descriptor numbers (for example) 11 and 12 on scedule 3?
And saying that if they don't think I do I wish to be considered for reg 34 or 35?
Request that they contact my GP. I have a letter from my GP saying that the practice doesn't give patients benefit letters anymore and that they want DWP/ATOS to contact them directly with the correct forms to fill in?
Mention the court ruling last week about the WCA for mental health patients and that they should contact the GP?
Should I mention that I am already in ESA SG and hope to stay there or should I not mention it at all and let them treat it as a totally brand new claim. If I do tell them should I enclose my last esa/dwp 'reward' letters?
A printout of symptoms of my illnesses (not sure about this because they are only the symptoms - they don't really explain why I can't function)?
A letter from my psychiatrist (even though he discharged me in 2011) which states on it that my condition is life enduring, non treatable, will probably get gradually worse and that I would have great difficulty tolerating any kind of employment because any type of social interaction would exacerbate my mental illnesses?
Tell them how I feel the consequences would be if I had to claim JSA or WRAG )as per p52 of your guide?
I also have a bus card (with companion on it) that my ex mental health support worker got me that I have never used because I don't go out, don't use public transport and don't have a companion. Do you think I could cut it in half to prove I haven't used it because of agoraphobia, panic attacks etc? It’s stilll ‘in date’
Anything I have missed?
thanks
The instruction leaflet on my anti depressants that shows the side effects?
My prescription list
Mentioning that I believe I fit descriptor numbers (for example) 11 and 12 on scedule 3?
And saying that if they don't think I do I wish to be considered for reg 34 or 35?
Request that they contact my GP. I have a letter from my GP saying that the practice doesn't give patients benefit letters anymore and that they want DWP/ATOS to contact them directly with the correct forms to fill in?
Mention the court ruling last week about the WCA for mental health patients and that they should contact the GP?
Should I mention that I am already in ESA SG and hope to stay there or should I not mention it at all and let them treat it as a totally brand new claim. If I do tell them should I enclose my last esa/dwp 'reward' letters?
A printout of symptoms of my illnesses (not sure about this because they are only the symptoms - they don't really explain why I can't function)?
A letter from my psychiatrist (even though he discharged me in 2011) which states on it that my condition is life enduring, non treatable, will probably get gradually worse and that I would have great difficulty tolerating any kind of employment because any type of social interaction would exacerbate my mental illnesses?
Tell them how I feel the consequences would be if I had to claim JSA or WRAG )as per p52 of your guide?
I also have a bus card (with companion on it) that my ex mental health support worker got me that I have never used because I don't go out, don't use public transport and don't have a companion. Do you think I could cut it in half to prove I haven't used it because of agoraphobia, panic attacks etc? It’s stilll ‘in date’
Anything I have missed?
thanks
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