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5 years 7 months ago #238581 by Remix
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Hi,
I understand this is about the physical act of walking and not psychological problems. However migraines are a disease of the brain/CNS and you can't "think you way out of one". Triggers include inescapable phenomena such as light and, ironically, movement. At it's peak it is immobilising and during attacks (4hrs-24hrs) it might be possible to walk but with pain and difficulty, commonly nauseas, with retching and other symptoms - photophobia, hypersalivation, heart race - moving around is exhausting during these attacks.
So if migraine attacks impede your ability to walk/move around, it's relevant to the moving around descriptor aswell as the journey one?
In either case how relevant is the 50% rule here as it's hard to quantify :
It's variable, but I have it bad and get attacks some time (often several times) most days and these can last for minutes to hours. It happens in the home but worse when out. To be blunt it commonly peaks in puking and this has caused me physical injuries the act of being violently sick takes its toll. I avoid going out often, but battle through it!
Tricky to find info on this. Any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks.
I understand this is about the physical act of walking and not psychological problems. However migraines are a disease of the brain/CNS and you can't "think you way out of one". Triggers include inescapable phenomena such as light and, ironically, movement. At it's peak it is immobilising and during attacks (4hrs-24hrs) it might be possible to walk but with pain and difficulty, commonly nauseas, with retching and other symptoms - photophobia, hypersalivation, heart race - moving around is exhausting during these attacks.
So if migraine attacks impede your ability to walk/move around, it's relevant to the moving around descriptor aswell as the journey one?
In either case how relevant is the 50% rule here as it's hard to quantify :
It's variable, but I have it bad and get attacks some time (often several times) most days and these can last for minutes to hours. It happens in the home but worse when out. To be blunt it commonly peaks in puking and this has caused me physical injuries the act of being violently sick takes its toll. I avoid going out often, but battle through it!
Tricky to find info on this. Any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks.
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5 years 7 months ago #238585 by Gordon
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You don't mention the benefit but I assume this is for PIP, ESA also has a Moving Around activity but with different criteria.
ESA treats Epilepsy as a physical condition so I think it reasonable to do so for PIP as well.
To try and answer your question;
First I think you need to separate the triggering of an episode with the effects of one. So are you saying that going outside can trigger an attack and how often would that happen? The more often the higher the risk of an attack when you go out.
Secondly, I think you will only be able to apply the effects of an attack for the time that you actually have them so as an example; if you had one attack a week then it would only be that one day that could be applied to the majority of days so you would fail the test.
Your difficulty would be in showing that you are unable to reliably stand and then move (walk) due to the risk of your suffering a Fit, the activity does not have a supervision Descriptor as some of the Daily Living activities do although you may be able to argue that it is covered under assistance.
So I would certainly make your arguments but I would not rely on them being accepted.
Gordon
You don't mention the benefit but I assume this is for PIP, ESA also has a Moving Around activity but with different criteria.
ESA treats Epilepsy as a physical condition so I think it reasonable to do so for PIP as well.
To try and answer your question;
First I think you need to separate the triggering of an episode with the effects of one. So are you saying that going outside can trigger an attack and how often would that happen? The more often the higher the risk of an attack when you go out.
Secondly, I think you will only be able to apply the effects of an attack for the time that you actually have them so as an example; if you had one attack a week then it would only be that one day that could be applied to the majority of days so you would fail the test.
Your difficulty would be in showing that you are unable to reliably stand and then move (walk) due to the risk of your suffering a Fit, the activity does not have a supervision Descriptor as some of the Daily Living activities do although you may be able to argue that it is covered under assistance.
So I would certainly make your arguments but I would not rely on them being accepted.
Gordon
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5 years 7 months ago #238586 by Remix
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Hi thanks Gordon
It happens every day right now, at some time, or several times during the day. Does that satisfy the 50% rule? I have a consultant letter to this effect.
"Your difficulty would be in showing that you are unable to reliably stand and then move (walk) due to the risk of your suffering a Fit"
It more the other way around. When I suffer the fit/attack, at it's peak I am immobilised. So in a shop say, I often come to a halt and start gagging and being sick. Might prop myself by a wall. Usually just try and hide somewhere until it subsides a bit, but normally end up being physically sick. If I had assistance it wouldn't hellp as I wouldn't be able to move due to the motion sickness/nausea.
Immobilisation is a pretty common effect of a migraines, so I'm a bit perplexed. Can you offer any further advice?
It happens every day right now, at some time, or several times during the day. Does that satisfy the 50% rule? I have a consultant letter to this effect.
"Your difficulty would be in showing that you are unable to reliably stand and then move (walk) due to the risk of your suffering a Fit"
It more the other way around. When I suffer the fit/attack, at it's peak I am immobilised. So in a shop say, I often come to a halt and start gagging and being sick. Might prop myself by a wall. Usually just try and hide somewhere until it subsides a bit, but normally end up being physically sick. If I had assistance it wouldn't hellp as I wouldn't be able to move due to the motion sickness/nausea.
Immobilisation is a pretty common effect of a migraines, so I'm a bit perplexed. Can you offer any further advice?
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5 years 7 months ago #238587 by Remix
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It's PIP btw.
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5 years 7 months ago #238589 by Gordon
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If you are suffering Fits every day then the effects of those fits that you mention in your post would also apply every day and you would meet the majority of days test, the only other thing you would need to confirm is that the current situation is unlikely to change in the next nine months.
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If you are suffering Fits every day then the effects of those fits that you mention in your post would also apply every day and you would meet the majority of days test, the only other thing you would need to confirm is that the current situation is unlikely to change in the next nine months.
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5 years 7 months ago #238593 by Remix
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I have GP and consultant letters that show it's been going on for years so I'll include a couple of those.
Thanks Gordon.
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