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 		 			 	 						15 years 4 months ago				#22219 		by papasmurf 	  	 		 			 				 
Surely it must also be worth contacting the Tribunals Service Head Office and making a complaint.  					 	    			 			 		 													
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This is not only pertinent to the WCA but also the PCA. Why this is the case, I do not know, but if tribunals were able to give a review date, this would obviously prevent Atos from initiating a repeat of the procedure so soon after a successful appeal, as is apparently happening with the WCA.
Surely it must also be worth contacting the Tribunals Service Head Office and making a complaint.
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 			 	 						15 years 4 months ago				#22300 		by marionf010856@aol.com 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
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  			 				Hi,
 
Thank you for all your replies - it really makes me feel better.
 
The update is that I telephoned Job Centre Plus on behalf of my son and they told me that the form would need to be completed etc., etc. Shortly after that the post arrived with a letter from the DWP advising that £2397.00 had been credited to my son's account and this was in respect of arrears of main ESA plus the support group element. I know that these are two completely different issues - but again words fail me...
 
I have decided to submit the form and more or less write the same info as the last ESA50 but on the last page I will explain about the appeal etc. If my son is then requested to attend another medical, I will indeed contact my MP to ask if this nonsense can be stopped. I can cope with doing the form and having a decision maker read it. I want to believe that common sense will prevail but perhaps I am being naive. Anyhow I expect I will know soon enough.
 
Thank you for all the support - it makes a difference!
  					Thank you for all your replies - it really makes me feel better.
The update is that I telephoned Job Centre Plus on behalf of my son and they told me that the form would need to be completed etc., etc. Shortly after that the post arrived with a letter from the DWP advising that £2397.00 had been credited to my son's account and this was in respect of arrears of main ESA plus the support group element. I know that these are two completely different issues - but again words fail me...
I have decided to submit the form and more or less write the same info as the last ESA50 but on the last page I will explain about the appeal etc. If my son is then requested to attend another medical, I will indeed contact my MP to ask if this nonsense can be stopped. I can cope with doing the form and having a decision maker read it. I want to believe that common sense will prevail but perhaps I am being naive. Anyhow I expect I will know soon enough.
Thank you for all the support - it makes a difference!
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 			 	 						15 years 4 months ago		 -  15 years 4 months ago		#22330 		by  kerryman 	  	 		 			 	   	 			 		 													
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  			 				HI
Iknow this is my first post, but i have been lurking on this site for some time now.
Could you not start a Judicial Review on the matter using the grounds that it is Unreasonable for a disabled person to go through the whole process again without them giving you a reason as to why after such a short time..
As a ex union Rep, if i was to be totaly fair i could understand if someone won a appeal soley on a minor technicality having it looked at again.
But then again i personaly believe they should have give you the reason why you have to go through the whole process again in writing.
  					Iknow this is my first post, but i have been lurking on this site for some time now.
Could you not start a Judicial Review on the matter using the grounds that it is Unreasonable for a disabled person to go through the whole process again without them giving you a reason as to why after such a short time..
As a ex union Rep, if i was to be totaly fair i could understand if someone won a appeal soley on a minor technicality having it looked at again.
But then again i personaly believe they should have give you the reason why you have to go through the whole process again in writing.
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 			 	 						15 years 4 months ago				#22332 		by Jim Allison 	  	 		 			 					
PLEASE READ THE SPOTLIGHTS AREA OF THE FORUM REGULARLY, OTHERWISE YOU MAY MISS OUT ON IMPORTANT INFORMATION. Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems 					 	    			 			 		 													
 	 				Replied by Jim Allison on topic Re:Won ESA Appeal but!			
  			 				Hi Chris,
 
Judicial Review can be used to challenge a tribunal's decision, but as the ESA appeal was successful, there is no decision to challenge.
 
As Crazydiamond has stated, and he's a former Adjudication Officer for the former DSS, Atos can send out a fresh ESA or IB50 at any time, but the decision to do this cannot be challenged. It may of course be a mistake, as ATOS may not be aware of the successful appeal.
 
papasmurf, it is no use complaining to the Tribunals Service as the appeal was successful, and they have no say in when Atos sends out ESA50's, or indeed any other form they send out.
 
This procedure seems to have become worse since the DWP stopped sending out IB/ESA 50 forms and Atos took over.
 
It would be worth contacting Atos and asking if they're aware that you've recently had a successful ESA appeal.
 
I'd also be inclined to ask your MP to raise this matter by asking for a written reply from Ian Duncan Smith, Secretary of State for Work & Pensions.
 
Good luck, and do let us know how you get on.
 
Jim
  							Judicial Review can be used to challenge a tribunal's decision, but as the ESA appeal was successful, there is no decision to challenge.
As Crazydiamond has stated, and he's a former Adjudication Officer for the former DSS, Atos can send out a fresh ESA or IB50 at any time, but the decision to do this cannot be challenged. It may of course be a mistake, as ATOS may not be aware of the successful appeal.
papasmurf, it is no use complaining to the Tribunals Service as the appeal was successful, and they have no say in when Atos sends out ESA50's, or indeed any other form they send out.
This procedure seems to have become worse since the DWP stopped sending out IB/ESA 50 forms and Atos took over.
It would be worth contacting Atos and asking if they're aware that you've recently had a successful ESA appeal.
I'd also be inclined to ask your MP to raise this matter by asking for a written reply from Ian Duncan Smith, Secretary of State for Work & Pensions.
Good luck, and do let us know how you get on.
Jim
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 			 	 						15 years 4 months ago		 -  15 years 4 months ago		#22339 		by  kerryman 	  	 		 			 	   	 			 		 													
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  			 				Thank you for your reply, i wrongy assumed it came under the.
"actions of a public body" part of a judicial review.
thank you again.
  					"actions of a public body" part of a judicial review.
thank you again.
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 			 	 						15 years 4 months ago				#22340 		by Jim Allison 	  	 		 			 					
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 	 				Replied by Jim Allison on topic Re:Won ESA Appeal but!			
  			 				Hi Chris,
 
This was just my opinion, as I'm no expert in Judicial Review.
 
There's a full explanation on what Judicial Review can/cannot be used for on the Ministry of Justice website HERE
 
Thank you for your welcome contribution.
 
Best wishes.
 
Jim
  							This was just my opinion, as I'm no expert in Judicial Review.
There's a full explanation on what Judicial Review can/cannot be used for on the Ministry of Justice website HERE
Thank you for your welcome contribution.
Best wishes.
Jim
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