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 			 	 						14 years 11 months ago				#37919 		by Rosered 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
 	 				Back log in appeals causes judges to refuse appeal was created by Rosered			
  			 				Interesting posts on rightsnet where they say that when people appeal against ESA if they score 0 points the Judges are writing to say that the appeal has no chance of success.  Apparently they are doing this by going through the paperwork in conjunction with an ATOS representative with out the appellants knowledge which is illegal.
 
However a couple of posters later on in the thread say that it was Job centre plus staff that said that and it may not be true, but if it is it does raise concerns.
 
  	 			
  					However a couple of posters later on in the thread say that it was Job centre plus staff that said that and it may not be true, but if it is it does raise concerns.
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 		 			 	 						14 years 11 months ago				#37923 		by papasmurf 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
 	 				Replied by papasmurf on topic Re: Back log in appeals causes judges to refuse appeal			
  			 				There are loads of people who have gone to appeal and won having got zero points at a medical.
Is there any official way of challenging what is being done. (Citizens Advice spring to mind they must have loads of cases where they have won an appeal from zero points.)
  					Is there any official way of challenging what is being done. (Citizens Advice spring to mind they must have loads of cases where they have won an appeal from zero points.)
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 			 	 						14 years 11 months ago				#37927 		by cdcdi1911 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
 	 				Replied by cdcdi1911 on topic Re:Back log in appeals causes judges to refuse appeal			
  			 				It sounds like somebody on the thread may be getting confused between a Tribunal Judge and the DWP.
 
If the DWP are writing to appellants telling them they are going to lose, this does sound consistent with Lord Freud's suggestion that they should 'manage customer expectations' by changing the wording in the letters sent.
 
Appellants can of course disregard these letters, but many of the most vulnerable claimants who do not understand the benefit system may be fooled into thinking the advice is official.
  					If the DWP are writing to appellants telling them they are going to lose, this does sound consistent with Lord Freud's suggestion that they should 'manage customer expectations' by changing the wording in the letters sent.
Appellants can of course disregard these letters, but many of the most vulnerable claimants who do not understand the benefit system may be fooled into thinking the advice is official.
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 			 	 						14 years 11 months ago				#37929 		by Survivor 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
 	 				Replied by Survivor on topic Re:Back log in appeals causes judges to refuse appeal			
  			 				I think that this is the debate. It relates to directions by tribunal judges of no reasonable prospects of success.
 
www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/740/
  					www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/740/
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 			 	 						14 years 11 months ago				#37940 		by cdcdi1911 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
 	 				Replied by cdcdi1911 on topic Re:Back log in appeals causes judges to refuse appeal			
  			 				Thanks for the link Survivor.
 
Tribunals can strike out an appeal if you have 'no reasonable prospect of success', but I think they are pushing this law if they regard scoring 0 points in a WCA, in this category.
 
Appellants can apply to have a struck-out appeal reinstated, and failing that, may be able to appeal to the Upper Tribunal.
 
It's complete madness and will only increase administration, not reduce it.
  					Tribunals can strike out an appeal if you have 'no reasonable prospect of success', but I think they are pushing this law if they regard scoring 0 points in a WCA, in this category.
Appellants can apply to have a struck-out appeal reinstated, and failing that, may be able to appeal to the Upper Tribunal.
It's complete madness and will only increase administration, not reduce it.
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 			 	 						14 years 11 months ago				#37947 		by Survivor 	  	 		 			 	    			 			 		 													
 	 				Replied by Survivor on topic Re:Back log in appeals causes judges to refuse appeal			
  			 				I agree, especially if word goes round that people should challenge such directions.			
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