The DWP have published the results of a survey on the public’s attitudes to a worrying list of new powers it is considering acquiring, allegedly in order to combat fraud, error and debt in the benefits system.

The proposed new powers include:

  • Trained DWP investigators having arrest powers
  • Trained DWP investigators having search and seizure powers
  • Collecting information about where claimants are spending money
  • Collecting banking information as soon as fraud is suspected, rather than waiting for a criminal investigation
  • Asking banks to share information about accounts which look like someone may be committing fraud
  • Government organisations sharing data with DWP about claimants

The DWP research claims to show that a majority of the public were in favour of every one of these measures being introduced.

Even amongst a group of claimants, the DWP claim, more people considered the powers acceptable than found them unacceptable, with the exception of collecting information about where claimants are spending money. 

Given the levels of incompetence, data loss and unaccountability at the DWP, the possibility that staff could arrest claimants and seize their possessions is likely to alarm many readers.

Equally, the idea that the DWP could begin examining bank accounts and looking at how a claimant is spending their money merely because the they suspect fraud is a cause for real concern.

With the department increasingly relying on AI and algorithms they don’t fully understand to detect fraud, the possibility of claimants being wrongfully arrested and facing long and poorly resourced investigations seems real.

No legislation has yet been put forward by the DWP and many will hope that a general election intervenes and that these proposals never become anything more than the wish list of a failing department.

You can read the full details of the DWP consultation on possible new powers here.

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    Meg · 6 months ago
    My disability restricts me to a virtually housebound lifestyle so I spend almost all my money on things that might appear to be luxuries like streaming subscriptions, but if I didn't have them my quality of life would be non-existent. They can sling their hook, policing what I buy. None of their business.
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      M · 6 months ago
      @Meg Are they going to lock up all disabled people. I can't believe they are doing this. This is disgusting behaviour towards the most vulnerable and weak in society. All because we watch Netflix at £6.99 a month. 
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      Claire · 6 months ago
      @Meg But if that’s what makes ur life easier because of ur disability then that’s what it’s meant for. 
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    Shuaib · 6 months ago
     I have the following concerns about potential human rights and privacy breaches:

    Granting arrest and search/seizure powers to DWP investigators gives them police-like authority without the same oversight and training as law enforcement. This risks infringement of rights such as liberty, security of person, and privacy.

    Collecting information on claimant spending and banking information without a warrant or judicial oversight violates privacy rights and data protection principles. There needs to be reasonable grounds for suspicion before accessing private financial information.

    Asking banks to proactively share account information that "looks like" potential fraud encourages overly broad disclosure of personal data without proper justification. This violates rights to privacy and data protection.

    Automatic data sharing between government agencies has significant potential for overreach and building profiles of individuals without cause. There need to be data sharing agreements with clear justification, oversight, and respect for privacy rights.

    The proposals generally seem to encourage broad, warrantless surveillance of claimants based on weak suspicions. This flies in the face of presumption of innocence and may lead to arbitrary violations of privacy, data protection, liberty, and other human rights protected by UK domestic law, the ECHR, and the Human Rights Act 1998.
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      Chocolady · 6 months ago
      @Shuaib They got away with a lot of this type of nonsense during covid and they got a taste of the power they dont want to give it up
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    Harry · 6 months ago
    Horrendous proposals from DWP getting used to it now 
    Just a suggestion try not to use your bank card thus they can't track what you are using/paying for.
     (I know its not always easy and you may have to use it )sadly because of the DWP's heinous tactics we have to adapt to protect ourselves.


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      Chocolady · 6 months ago
      @G M They wont stop at claimants it will be everyone’s bank accounts soon if they get rid of cash.
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      Carmen · 6 months ago
      @Harry Correct if people use cash for everything and stop tap tap tapping there cards it won’t be possible for them this is literally stalking and breech of privacy
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      G M · 6 months ago
      @Harry And now you know why they also intend to do away with physical money.
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    Porridge · 6 months ago
    This is just more red meat ahead if the next election. Aside from which I presumed that this sort of thing (as above: the monitoring og claimants’ bank accounts) was already going on. People who receive PIP and DLA have a monetary asset (or savings) limit of £16,000 as far as I am aware. Members often ask the moderators about that in the B&W forum. How does the DWP know if those PIP claimants go over that savings limit? It must be because of the DWP has got some sort of relationship with banks who must pass that information on to the DWP.
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      Porridge · 6 months ago
      @Rosie Sorry, yes, you are correct. i stand corrected. Let me rephrase: people who receive means tested benefits are not allowed to receive them if they have savings of more than £16,000. How would the DWP ever know that they had gone over that limit unless it already has got a data-sharing arrangement with banks? I don’t like it but it must be so.
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      Rosie · 6 months ago
      @Porridge PIP is NOT means tested.
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    Rosie · 6 months ago
    2,127 people completed this survey. It is unclear how the questions were worded; some used "manipulative language" designed to elicit a specific response.  To base a call for significant changes on such a small sample of people just isn't right.  There can be little doubt that the majority  pf people would like to see an end to benefit fraud; it is also true that there will ALWAYS be fraudulent claims, whatever checks are put in place.  I never understood how it was possible for someone to claim unemployment benefit on the one hand while paying income tax through PAYE on a good monthly salary; or to own their own house and claim housing benefit from multiple councils. Surely one of the benefits of having government organisations like HMRC and Land Registry is that they can exchange information to combat fraud?
    Does anyone really think that it is acceptable to use housing benefit or child allowance to fund a drug habit? But how many people who are NOT on benefits do the same thing?  Targeting claimants is the soft and easy option. Who exactly is going to decide whether a claimant has spent their benefit money on the "right thing"? Is food shopping at LIDL or ASDA going to become compulsory?
    If the government truly wants to cut down on fraud and increase its revenues, why not tackle tax evasion by the very rich? That is another area where the government takes the soft option of going after the little people with fines for late filing, etc,   rather than going after the likes of Google.     
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    Lisa · 6 months ago
    2127 people participated in the survey, out of almost 70 million uk population. That really represents the majority Lol. 
    I wouldn't worry about it. The tory government are bordering on desperation now. 
    They have little more than a year left until a GE is called, if that.
    With the damning evidence of the covid enquiry making daily headlines, alongside the many other failures, of this grotesque, inept, rabble. They are doing, what they do best. Spreading lies and false information. Their ship is sinking further by the day and they know it.
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      John Seymour · 5 months ago
      @RSK My undrestanding is it has to be passed into legislature. i.e. a Bill in Parliament or amending an already exisiting bill. But these are far-reaching, intrusive proposals that may well contravene human rights etc.

      Even if they were implemented it would take a year at least, from what I understand.

      Hopefully it's just all wind and piss.
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      RSK · 6 months ago
      @Lisa So has the dwp already started spying on claimants or does it has to be passed through government? (If that makes sense).
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    Milly · 6 months ago
    I’m already ill reading this has triggered my depression and anxiety! We can’t even live to get better, there always something the dwp want to attack us with. I’m so tired of this I have many illness and this article is not making it any better. 
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      Mel · 6 months ago
      @Milly I am the same and I understand.  I have numerous respiratory conditions and a heart condition and also complex regional pain syndrome, osteoarthritis. They are inhumane.  I had a 8 year fight with them and a tribunal . Was a living hell and they make it as hard as possible so people give up and kill themselves. Please don't let this get you down.  Please don't worry to much about was has not happened yet and there is the high court they will not allow it and thankfully we still have some "human" rights , plus pip is not means tested . 
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      The Dog Mother · 6 months ago
      @Milly Everything that comes out of their mouths triggers me. I've had so many panic attacks and sleepless nights,depression  anxiety, and yes, it makes some of my physical health conditions go haywire,while they slumber soundly in their beds at night. 
      Let's hope the tide turns. Nobody gets away with hideous acts forever. Benefit fraud is a tiny percentage. Yes, it should be zero, but nothing is perfect in life. They lie and lie to get their point across. Many see through them,some don't, and the rest aren't interested enough to care. This is all Just words at the moment,and could take years to implement if it EVER gets off the ground,so for now it's phoey and hot air. Those who shout the loudest have the most to hide,and they are defeaning me.
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    Harry · 6 months ago
    If possible Use cash instead of cards at supermarkets etc 
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      Sarah · 6 months ago
      @denby What about GDPR? Surely retailers aren't allowed to share data with insurance companies unless you explicitly gave them permission.
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      Lou · 6 months ago
      @Harry They want to  make everything digital cashless society social credit system like China so evil
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      denby · 6 months ago
      @Harry We always try to use cash as I hate the thought that someone could track my whereabouts and what I bought. 
      Years ago when nectar cards first came out, BBC Radio 4 said do not get them as they will cost you more than the 'rewards' given. I figure the Beeb must have good lawyers to dare say that, so it must be true. Eg you buy incontinence products or over-the-counter medication for a relative, but they assume it is you that has a health problem and when you buy insurance your premium will be higher due to this. But you will never know!
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    Elizabeth Vidler · 6 months ago
    Perhaps the govt might want to consider the amount of money they waste instead of picking over the miserable amount they may or may not hand out to us after months of deliberation, I wouldn't mind looking at their accounts to see what they are spending money on.
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    Carol K · 6 months ago
    Pure hatefulness from the DWP as usual. 
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      Maria · 6 months ago
      @Carol K
      Strangely the police aren't getting much investment maybe that's why they want to invest more powers in the DWP..... the budget version.... 





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    The Dog Mother · 6 months ago
    Unless this is a survey of the vast majority of the UK public, it should be taken with a pinch of salt. If they were fully informed of how the dwp currently act and stopped trying to 'get back at' the disabled because they think we all live a charmed life and seen the truth, they might think differently.I've never seen such hatred towards us like I have the past few years. 
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      tinytim · 6 months ago
      @T What about Data Protection as the DWP had to ask me a two years ago can they have permission to access my local authority pension which I gave them as I was fed up every year telling them my rise, so will everyones bank have to contact us to let them do this. I have just got my state pension and so happy to come off ESA but it will not stop future intrusions into anyone's business so everyone should be worried although I have not got nothing to hide that is not the point it is about privacy and should we be able to ask to see DWP Employee and gov bank accounts? 
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      Chocolady · 6 months ago
      @T Its only 2000 people surveyed but suddenly that’s good enough to base this crap on
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      Chocolady · 6 months ago
      @T Labour are down for all the cashless society stuff and they wont help claimants.  They were behind the WCA when they were last in.  None of the main parties will do anything for the ordinary people.
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      Chocolady · 6 months ago
      @T Absolutely correct and those cheering this on will have cause to eat their words as it wont stop at claimants.
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      T · 6 months ago
      @The Dog Mother This is exactly why they want a cashless system, they can have access to everything so easy.. God forbid we dare to use our money on something to give us a little joy...  Sometimes p iseople with mental health and OCD have a high and go on huge spending sprees but they'd never consider it to be part of the illnesses, they'll just use it against them and drag into horrific interviews.  
      We desperately need labour to hurry up and get back in, I know they aren't the best but they definitely wouldn't allow these rediculce proposals to go through... (I hope anyway, nothing surprises me any more)..   

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