The DWP have finally stated that people over state pension age “will not be affected by the proposed changes” to personal independence payment (PIP) set out in the Pathways To Work Green Paper.  However, questions still remain.

Ever since the Green Paper was published there has been a lack of clarity about whether pension age PIP claimants would be caught by the PIP 4-point rule.  Although the Green Paper made reference to the “working-age PIP caseload” there was no explicit statement that pension age claimants would be exempt.

It is the case that, once you reach state pension age, your award will usually become an ongoing award.  Whilst this means your PIP award does not have an end date, it doesn’t mean it will never be checked.

Instead, you are likely to have an award review every 10 years, according to a statement made by Amber Rudd – the then secretary of state for work and pensions – in May 2019.

But this could lead to a situation where claimants could lose their award at the age of say 76.

In an attempt to settle the matter, Labour MP Neil Duncan-Jordan asked the secretary of state in a written question:

“. . . what assessment she has made on the potential impact of the measure set out in the Pathways to Work: Reforming Benefits and Support to Get Britain Working Green Paper, published on 18 March 2025 on PIP claimants of retirement age.”

DWP disability minister Stephen Timms answered:

 “Our intention is that the new eligibility requirement in Personal Independence Payment (PIP), in which people must score a minimum of four points in one daily living activity to be eligible for the daily living component, will apply to new claims and award reviews from November 2026, subject to parliamentary approval. In keeping with existing policy, people over State Pension Age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by the proposed changes.”

This does seem to suggest that claimants above state pension age are not being targeted by the DWP.  But it does leave several unanswered questions.

The first is just why this was not made explicit in the Green Paper, when it was clearly going to be a matter of enormous concern.

The second is what does “not routinely fully reviewed” mean?  In fact, thousands of claimants over pension age do have a planned award review after they reach pension age. 

In the year to January 2025, 12,300 pension age PIP claimants had a planned award review.  It is not clear why these happened or whether they will continue after November 2026.

In addition, 19,238 pension age PIP claimants had a change of circumstances review in the same period.

It is possible to move from the standard to the enhanced rate of PIP after state pension age by asking for a change of circumstances review, if your needs increase. 

However, if a claimant does not have any 4-point descriptors then there is nothing in the minister’s answer to guarantee that they would not run the risk of losing their daily living award altogether if they asked for a review after November 2026.

As with so much about the Green Paper, there is an impression of ideas being cobbled together after publication.  This impression was reinforced by a separate parliamentary answer, in which Timms wrote:

 “Some information on the impacts of the Pathways to Work Green Paper was published alongside the Spring Statement and can be found at this link: Pathways to Work: Reforming Benefits and Support to Get Britain Working Green Paper - GOV.UK. More information on the impacts will be published in due course, a further programme of analysis to support development of the proposals in the Green Paper will be developed and undertaken in the coming months.”

Nonetheless, this news will come as a welcome relief for pension age PIP claimants.

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    · 13 hours ago
    I note a few comments on here ref to claimants with long awards (I assume 10yr awards)if the 4 points system gets passed will they be affected or will there awards be left alone and come under the old rules and get reassessed at the end of there 10 yr awards.
    As the way I see it it would or will apply to new claims and reassessments when they are due after nov 26 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Tom Sorry, I misspoke in my last comment. I meant to put "indefinite awards" instead of "ongoing awards" in my first sentence. 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Tom The Green Paper was pretty vague in terms of ongoing awards. Presumably because there's probably a lot of legal red tape surrounding them. 

      Part of it seemed to suggest they would be honoured as common sense dictates that indefinite awards are only given to those who are very unlikely to get better but, at the same time, I wouldn't put anything past this government. 

      They're already talking about "reviewing the length of time between reviews for indefinite awards" because they're clearly not happy with the number of people on them. Never mind that most people on them are of State Pension age (because that's one of the stipulations for having one) and aren't subject to the new rules anyway.

      But as to what that entails, I have no idea. It could be that people just get the light touch form every five years vs. ten. Which isn't ideal but as long as they don't change the form, I'll take it as the tiniest silver lining. 
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Tom Correct
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    · 15 hours ago
    Could anyone answer my question please?
    In the main outline above by B&W, it says 'The DWP have finally stated that people over state pension age “will not be affected by the proposed changes” to personal independence payment'.
    I am 65 years old, and will be 66 (officially retired) in September - but not yet "over state pension age".

    Will I be included in the "not affected by the proposed changes" group?
    It's just that I read the article that said they had calculated 690k people aged between 65 to 79 receiving PIP in January, so wondered if I am protected by the changes?
    Thanks for your help and 🤞.
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    · 19 hours ago
    That’s double speak and does not clarify anything. We already know that reports are due AFTER the vote, which helps nobody. I’ve been referred to the Primary MH Team because of this, and I won’t be the only one… 

    FYI Parliament Summer Recess begins on July 22nd.
    ✊❤️
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    · 22 hours ago
    For anyone wondering about the virtual meetings for the consultation, apparently emails will come out "soon" and the meetings will be on Teams.  I thought some people might want the heads up so they can download the software if they need to. :)
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    · 23 hours ago
    Why believe that??
    They lied to the voters and they are lying now so they can pick away at the vulnerable people then once they are out of the way the monsters will come back finish the rest off while they are on their pensions or not because they just going to scrap the whole benefit system down to the bone.
    Amen to that…
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    · 1 days ago
    Labour are going to pass the benefits cuts with Tory support regardless of Runcorn, regardless of the Local Elections. When it comes to disability benefits there has obviously been a cross party agreement from Reform, Tories and Labour to make cuts and to marginalise disabled people.

    They will not change course and that's why disabled people should form an umbrella political group to vote for or against candidates who are either pro or anti-disabled regardless of political ideology. 
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    · 1 days ago
    One of Starmers statements was it is undignified claiming benefits.
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    · 1 days ago

    Complete dismissal, just trot out the same tired lies and lines of this is what we're doing because it'll be so good for you all.  Ignorance.  We and our views do not matter to them and they are not listening.
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    · 1 days ago
    https://youtube.com/shorts/1GPyE_R-fHs?si=8ZAybNCdWHMPNlpX

    Touching YouTube about the expense of chronic illness.
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      · 1 days ago
      @rookie A DWP spokesperson said: “We have set out a sweeping package of reforms to health and disability benefits that genuinely supports people back into work and lifts people out of poverty, while putting the welfare system on a more sustainable footing so that the safety net is always there to protect those who need it most.

      “Our £1bn employment support package will unlock work as part of our Plan for Change, alongside increasing the living wage, boosting benefits, and introducing a fair repayment rate to help more than a million low-income households on universal credit.”

      I find statements from the DWP so hilarious, considering they sacked me because they wouldn't support my disability in work, when they so easily could have. They are so full of sh*t.
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      · 1 days ago
      @rookie The elephant in the rooms always ignored until he starts to trumpet loudly. 
      Surprised they didn't first need an enquiry to see if they could have an enquiry, good at squandering money on senseless nonsense and fiddle while Rome burns. 
      We can tell them ALL  they need to know as to where this is all heading,but hey why should they listen to us,we are disposable.  
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    · 1 days ago
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    Ask3: Help Stop the Disability Cuts

    Please consider asking three people you know — friends, family, neighbours — to email their MP about the devastating cuts to disability benefits.

    The main changes will be voted on in Parliament in June without consultation.  This is obviously the crucial time for action.

    Below is a message you can send to contacts, along with a draft letter they can easily use.

    Thank you for helping to raise voices against these harmful plans.

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    Message to Send to Friends or Family

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    Subject: Please could you help by writing to your MP

    Dear [Friend/Relative],

    I’m writing to ask if you would be willing to send a short email to your MP to help protect disability benefits.

    The government has released a green paper, but it does not consult on the devastating cuts to disability benefits that will be voted on in June. 

    If you could email your MP, it would mean so much to me personally.

    You can find your MP’s contact details easily here:


    Below is a draft letter you can copy and paste (or adapt if you prefer).


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    Draft Letter to MP


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    Subject: Please Act to Protect Disability Benefits

    Dear [MP’s Name],

    I am writing to ask you to oppose the planned cuts to disability benefits.

    Someone very close to me relies on disability support to survive.
    These changes would leave them — and many thousands of others — struggling to meet basic needs and at serious risk of further ill health, poverty, and loss of independence.

    Please:

    Speak out against these proposals

    Vote to protect disabled people’s security and dignity

    Push for investment in public health and wellbeing, not more hardship


    This matters deeply to me personally.
    Please stand with disabled constituents at this critical time.

    Yours sincerely,
    [Your Name]
    [Your postcode]



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    · 1 days ago
    https://www.socialeurope.eu/the-false-economy-of-cutting-disability-benefits

    Excellent article highlighting the real "cures" for both society and the economy, and how short-term electoral cycles continue to prevent meaningful change.

    Kate Pickett sets out so clearly the devastating psychological and societal cost of financial insecurity, and why cutting disability benefits is not only cruel but economically illiterate.

    Until we have a government willing to prioritize long-term investment in people's mental health, financial security, and equality, over short-term political optics, we will keep seeing worsening outcomes for individuals and society as a whole.
    An essential read for anyone serious about understanding the reality behind current welfare 'reforms'.
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      · 22 hours ago
      @CaroA I really don't think long-term investment in mental health is ever going to happen.  And, even if it did, it's not going to help with the cuts - which, despite what the official line is - are hitting more people who are arthritic (and other muscoskelatal issues) than with mental health issues (in numbers, that is).   
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    · 2 days ago
    https://www.bigissue.com/opinion/labour-benefit-cuts-empathy-poverty/

    Please take a look at this above article.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Moose Sadly these things inevitably fall out of the news cycle, especially given various other events - the Pope, ceasefire promises in Ukraine, tariffs etc.  Hopefully they will come back with the elections this week and the dreaded vote in June.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Dave Reform and the Tories will just continue the anti-disabled "crusade", they're all in it together on this.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Dave Also, the news of the benefit cuts seems to have taken a back seat in the media. 
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    · 2 days ago
    Pick, I know we've discussed previously Angela Raynor + which way she will vote.

    Listen to this: A junior minister has come out to reassure the public that Angela Raynor + Rachel Reeves are still good friends, apparently after they had a little disagreement. Pardon? Since when do junior ministers rush out to reassure the public everything in fine, just over a little disagreement that wasn't even known.
    Could this be something to do with this green paper? 
    It's no secret that Reeves wants these cuts: it's been reported that Raynor has threatened to resign if these cuts happen.
    In yesterday newspaper it was reported that Tony Blair just about stopped Raynor from resigning after she was asked to do something, that she would have failed.
    There is more going on to this than we are allowed to see.

    It's been said about 30 MPs have publicly said they will vote against these cuts when the bill is being voted on in parliament.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Greg. I agree Greg, they're not here to serve the public but themselves, a bunch of incompetent melomaniacs with zero compassion and even less integrity.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Dave Oh to be a fly on the wall.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Dave i dont trust any of them in this government they al out for no 1 themselves
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      · 2 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 And here was me thinking they’d fallen out over something important likely to affect millions.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Dave Raynor and Reeves fell out over Rach getting Dorney Wood and Angela was fobbed off with some flat in town.

      It was the home building target the deputy pm felt she could not achieve.
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    · 2 days ago
    Has anyone heard anything about the virtual consultation meeting next Tuesday?  I'm signed up but no information has come through about how to join the conversation? 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Slb Knowing how inept the government is, you probably won't hear nowt before Monday evening.
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    · 3 days ago
    I have an award until 2034 as I am state pension age when we all transition over to the new pip system in 2029 will I get reassessed again or will that happen at the award end date 
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    · 3 days ago
    So am I right in saying that if you have a 10yr award from say April 2025 which will go to 2035 what ever changes are made points wise you will not be reassessed if you are over state pension age even if you have not scored 4 points in any descriptor on your award from April 2025 and will not be reassessed again until your award ends in2035 unless your circumstances change.can someone clarify 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Adrian That's the way it's coming across. Just a light review when the award period ends.

      Although be ready for them to change the rules again.
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    · 3 days ago
    Please don’t ever vote for this government again.
    They con you for there vote! Then screw you over, don’t care about us.
    They will promise us the world for there vote..
    But then when it comes to there promises they will kick us down again. Believe me this government will become worse as time goes by.
    My heart bleeds for all us people who will be affected by what they are doing.
    Please do not keep them in government as they will wreck our country and take the people with them
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      · 2 days ago
      @😊😊😊 @😊😊😊 definitely no voting Labour and never trust them again they conned us to vote for them. i voting Greens in on Thursday
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    · 4 days ago
    just a reminder that State Pension is NOT a Benefit!!!!
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      · 1 days ago
      @Dave That is because nobody is able to challenge the government which does what it wishes with our funds
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      · 1 days ago
      @Frances Thank you Frances. This is what I have been saying for some time that it is a insurance scheme run by the government. It should rightly not be run by a minister but by some sort of autonomous body that is run just like an insurance company investing the funds to make it grow as well as sticking to the terms that people are forced to sign up to.

      14% of a person's salary/wages is a lot of money over their working lives. 

      I am not saying that there should be no social protection for vulnerable groups who are not able to work however that should come from personal, corporate, and vat revenues
      as social security. Contributions can also be paid by the government so that nobody is left out and they all have an equal amount of insurance but paid through social security to fill the gaps 
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      · 2 days ago
      @WorkshyLayabout Should read Pensions Act 2014, not 2016.
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      · 2 days ago
      @HBS The State Pension IS a contributory benefit.
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      · 2 days ago
      @HBS Sorry, but it ips a benefit in the eyes of the law. It has been considered a benefit by DWP since Cameron was the PM.
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