The DWP have confirmed that speech therapists can carry out personal independence payment (PIP) assessments and work capability assessments (WCA) for claimants with any condition, other than certain neurological ones. 

Earlier this year we published details of a long-hidden report on recruitment and retention of PIP/WCA assessors.  Amongst the information in that report was a suggestion that paramedics could only carry out PIP assessments, not WCAs.

So, we made a Freedom of Information request to the DWP asking if this was still the case and “… if any restrictions are placed on any other type of health assessor by the DWP, as to the type of assessment they can carry out, i.e. PIP or WCA.

“In addition, please supply us with details of any restrictions imposed by the DWP as to the type of condition that any specific category of health professional may work with.”

The  DWP have now confirmed that:

  • Paramedics and pharmacists are only allowed to carry out PIP assessments, not WCAs.
  • For WCAs “there are a number of defined medical conditions, typically neurological in nature, that may only be assessed by Doctors or Physiotherapists.”

Aside from this, any health professional may assess any condition after they have completed their training.

There are currently fewer than 10 speech therapists carrying out assessments, all employed by Capita. But the DWP's desperate shortage of assessors means there may be many more in the future. They would be well placed to assess issues relating to the upper gastrointestinal tract, such as chewing and swallowing.

But a decision maker could also prefer their opinion of the functional abilities of a claimant with, for example, severe Crohn’s disease over that of an NHS  gastroenterologist or bipolar disorder over that of an NHS psychiatrist.

Moreover, at present paramedics and pharmacists are prevented from assessing claimants for eligibility for the limited capability for work-related activity (LCWRA), or health element, of universal credit (UC).

But the DWP intends to abolish the WCA, making receipt of the daily living component of PIP the qualifying condition for an award of the health element.  From that point on, those same 270 paramedics and 40 pharmacists who are not considered competent to make assessments for the UC health element, will regularly be doing so.

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    · 8 days ago
    This Boris guy is a troll. 
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      · 8 days ago
      @ceet @ceet    no I'm not a troll.
      Obviously you are unable to comprehend the truth about benefit reforms.
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    · 14 days ago
    I'm waiting for a reply from pip it's been 6 months but anyway having looked up what speech therapists have to train in, I'm thinking maybe I wouldn't mind being seen by one, at a face to face my disability is EUBPD, Anxiety and depression, and they are trained in a lot that could  cover this, if you look at these things online.
    Im not so sure about all other conditions obviously not,! 
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    · 15 days ago
    At the end of the day, the DWP are desperate. They are losing assessors hand over fist because they realise pretty soon that the system is abhorrent and they are being overuled anyway. It would be interesting to know how much money has been wasted. 
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    · 15 days ago
    I know this is going to be unpoplular in this stream but please don't take offence.

    Surely it is up to you, the claimant, to explain how your condition affects your daily living, mobility or ability to work.  We know that the benefit is not awarded on the diagnosis but on the disability. The excellent B&W guide asvises you how to complete the form and what to expect at your assessment.  There are good and bad assessors and it has nothing to do with their professional qualifications and everything to do with their empathy and willinnes to try to imagine how difficult your life is.
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      · 13 days ago
      @vlisitt@googlemail.com vlisitt@googlemail.com 

      I agree entirely.
      Thats how I have been awarded benefits by using the guidelines here and knowing how to complete the forms in relation to the descriptors that apply to my disabilities, keeping copies and reading it before an assessment and having it at hand during the assessment because I have been questioned about everything I wrote.  

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    · 15 days ago
    Does any one here commenting know what a speech therapist is actually trained in? How many extra courses and experience they gather even after graduating. I’m not wasting my precious energy here doing that job for you as I have long covid, but before making judgement please read up on what a four year speech and language training degree involves. 
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      · 12 days ago
      @Kathryn I agree @Kathryn. I was assessed with ASD via Right To Choose by a very experienced assessor who was a speech therapist. Many of his fellow assessors (mostly psychotherapists) were ND themselves. I am usually on board with the newsletters but this doesn't seem impartial but demeans speech therapists and their profession and training however unintentionally
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      · 15 days ago
      @Kathryn The Codes of Practice for all HCPC registrants is clear. Registrants have to be up to date and keep reflective portfolios, so they can retain their registration every 2 years. I simply cannot comprehend why many want to be recognised professionally yet choose to move so far away from their basic/advanced training to carry out a completely different task such as DWP assessments. If assessed by an HCPC professional for DWP, while retaining their (closed) title, but I felt they did not understand my situation, I would raise a complaint with HCPC. NB I was an HCPC registered professional.
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    · 15 days ago
    How on gods green earth can a speech therapist understand what someone with a physical or mental illness is going through? I was raped , contracted HIV,  I self harm and have bulimia how would they know or even begin to understand how life or my illness is to me 
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    · 20 days ago
    Apologies I just thought that I would highlight to the Benefit and Works Team some comments made in a newspaper by a Certain Labour MP in charge at the Cabinet for review of medical conditions. He said that he wants the welfare budget cut to fund military spending ?. I am concerned, stressed and anxious and urge all disabled people to lobby prominent MPS and the House of Lords or mobilise disability organisations to uphold the rights for all disabled people to be treated with fairness, dignity and respect and oppose this. Here is the link to the article concerned. Apologies to one and all. 

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    · 21 days ago
    If I was designing a system I would just use diagnosis plus medical history indicators to determine eligibility and award level and duration. Using a A to Z of health conditions. Similar to the guide and indicators in the old DLA A to Z of health conditions. But, more comprehensive. Removing all personal opinion and unreliable evidence from the system. Be that what a claimant says or what an assessor thinks. So no room for abuse of the system and no uncertainty on if someone does or does not qualify. Just lots of known health conditions each with their own medical history goal posts people either meet or fail to meet. And such a system could be designed with the input of specialists in each health condition.

    If I wanted to save money on the system. I would make all benefits taxable. And would merge income tax with capital gains tax and get rid of extra tax free allowances on things like interest on savings, dividends, renting out a room in your home, etcetera. So everyone is subject to the same tax system regardless of their sources of income. While there is an equality case for people with more income getting the same disability benefits as someone with less income. And a economic argument for having various extra allowances and different tax rates for different sources of income to encourage desired economic activities. If you are trying to save money in the system in my opinion you should always cut from those with most income first. And removing extra allowances and exemptions from our progressive income tax system is the obvious method to do so.

    If I wanted to further raise tax revenue I would replace council tax and stamp duty with an annual percentage of home value tax paid by the home owner. For those on low incomes unable to pay I would have the option of making the tax a debt at interest secured on the home and transferable if they move home, payable on death of the person or if married death of the person and their surviving spouse.
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    · 21 days ago
    Personally, I wouldn't ask them for their job role.

    A few years ago, I was having teeth cleaning with a dental hygienist. Right before the procedure, I just said that this was the first time I had been having dental cleaning with a dental hygienist and that I had it always with my dentist and that I would like to see the difference. Guess what, the hygienist got upset and had refused to give me subsequent appointment, saying that I doubted his skills. As I was paying for my treatment myself, I just went to see another and even better dental hygienist.

    But when it comes to PIP and WCA assessments, we've got no choice in choosing our assessor, and upsetting your assessor right at the beginning of your assessment could backfire on you.
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      · 14 days ago
      @Von66 I think the fairest is to be assessed by a panel of medical professionals, like in other countries, rather than by an assessor who's prone to "be under the weather or perhaps having a bad day" or might not even like your story or names. Because as I said it earlier, and that many of us know it already, the outcomes of these assessments depend more on the individual assessor than solely the claimant's condition, which makes the claimant to be at the mercy of an individual assessor.
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      · 14 days ago
      @Scorpion Reflective of the different levels of emotional intelligence of any professional regardless of qualifications. They are also still humans and could be under the weather or perhaps having a bad day. Humans are not an exact science.  It is a quandary to be sure. At least assessments are not yet carried out by AI.  Emphasis on the word "yet"
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      · 18 days ago
      @boris1 You got me wrong, as you've said exactly what I was saying. What I was basically saying is that asking your assessor for their job role is not helpful at all and can backfire on you.

      I haven't said at all that one can choose their assessor, as everybody can easily figure out that choosing own assessor has never been the case.

      My advice is that one shouldn't even bother asking their assessor for their name, leave alone their job role. We should avoid bringing up anything that could be treated by assessors as challenging them, as evidence suggests that  Personal Independence Payment (PIP) and Work Capability Assessment (WCA) outcomes depend more on the individual assessor, rather than solely the claimant's condition.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Scorpion  Scorpion
      There is no comparison to your example of having paid for dental services and  being able to chose who you wish to treat you, and claiming pip where you are applying for money and a state benefit we all have to be assessed for.
      Therefor you apply knowing that an assessor will be allocated to your 
      to your claim like it or lump it.
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    · 21 days ago
    Are we allowed to ask the assessor what their job/role is in the health profession, before our assessment/reassessment appointment starts?   If their qualifications/job/role has nothing to do with the health conditions/difficulties that I am claiming pip/UC health element for, can I request a health professional that does?
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      · 18 days ago
      @maggie No you can't. 
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      · 21 days ago
      @maggie Personally, I wouldn't ask them for their job role.


      But when it comes to PIP and WCA assessments, we've got no choice in choosing our assessor, and upsetting your assessor right at the beginning of your assessment could backfire on you.
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    · 21 days ago
    In a sane country, Doctors, with specific experience of your disease, should be the only people allowed to carry out an assessment, to measure your abilities. 
    Obviously. These are the only people who should be allowed to conduct these assessments. 
    Obviously. 
    But apparently not obvious to the demons inhabiting human skins, in parliament.
    The End. 

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      · 13 days ago
      @Henry    @Henry   its not about a medical diagnosis.
      Its about how your disability affects you and you can submit medical evidence to support your claim if you so wish.
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      · 13 days ago
      @boris1 Despite having BUPA and NHS, n ot Seeing a specialist, in my particular v. rare disease,  cost me an unbelievable amount of money and stress, (having really been through the fire, and being changed irrevocably because of it), I recieved a delayed diagnosis, (as 0ver 90% of patients with my illness did, leading to a world expert having to sit down with the chief doctors of ATOS and the DWP at Claxton house to educate them on my disease), I can tell you that being assessed by a Doctor who is an expert on your disease, is a great folly and can lead to staggering damage to the patient.
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      · 15 days ago
      @Lizzy Well said. 
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      · 15 days ago
      @boris1 You seem really empathetic towards people on here, are you a government employee, are you fighting for your rights? People wonder why we're terrified of this whole sham process, if you side with the "establishment", please don't make us more terrified and picked on than we already do. Do you not think we already do all this paperwork gathering, we realise we can't change "type" of assessor, we're allowed to vent on a "safe" platform though. Don't comment if you're not supporting, we get enough of that from professional idiots, and everyday people who think hidden disabilities are made up! It's sad when you get someone on even here, who treats people like they're stupid, or is basically OBVIOUSLY abrupt. I saw your name about 3 times and actually thought "government plant" or just "wow". I wouldn't be proud to respond and get those reactions. Try kindness, there's obviously not quite enough around. 
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      · 15 days ago
      @Henry Henry
      And thats why we send in evidence from our doctors OBVIOUSLY and we are invited on the claim forms to give consent for our doctors to be contacted if further clarification is needed.
      Things have changed with time and its not feasible to expect otherwise.
      Most of our doctors are too busy in their current roles and trying to cope with ever increasing work loads.
      They do not have the time to assess dwp claimants.
      Like it or not that is the role of 'disability analysts' and we have no say in that matter.
      You cannot expect them to be experts in every single condition/illness, no health professional is qualified to do that, to expect otherwise is completely unrealistic. 
       
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    · 21 days ago
    I don't know why speech therapists and pharmacists are being singled out. Is it really better if say a midwife or a physiotherapist is assessing someone with for example schizophrenia?

    The only reason health professionals are used is to create the veneer of their being an expert medical opinion, and a fraud check. When the assessors are typically not medically qualified to give an expert medical opinion. As they are not usually qualified to diagnose, treat or give a prognosis for the medical conditions of claimants they see.

    DWP disability assessor training is 6 to 12 week. And they have health condition guides that are very brief and often inaccurate and misleading overviews of health conditions. If they even bother to read the guides.

    The assessments are basically a one size fits all exercise of fitting criteria descriptors. Not using straightforward questions on the descriptors set out in legislation. But, using trick questions, and observations to often jump to erroneous conclusions.

    If people are lucky they get awarded based on written evidence and do not get a phone or face to face assessment.

    And at the end of the day it is the DWP decision maker who is supposed to be making the award decision. They are not supposed to be just rubber stamping the opinion of the assessor. They are supposed to look at all the evidence.

    As for the future we do not know what the new post Timm's review PIP assessment will be. It could just be tweaks to the current system or it could be radically different. And we do not know who will be doing the assessments. 
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      · 21 days ago
      @John I'm waiting for my Pip review forms at the moment,got my Pip last time because of COVID but this time am expecting a face to face Assessment.
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    · 21 days ago
    I always say if I am in a Car Crash I want a Paramedic, but when it comes to my chronic pain and Cerebral Palsy conditions of which a Paramedic has no experience of dealing with. I don't want them assessing me how I manage the PIP Descriptors as they have no experience of these conditions. It's like asking a Bricklayer to wire a house with electrics both work in construction, but they have no clue of the other persons skills or requirements.
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      · 15 days ago
      @DragonsRugby1969 Absolutely agree 100%! Apart from the fact they need specialist consultant knowledge with my MOVEMENT DISORDER which is ONLY hospital led by neurologists, not even GPs understand or have heard of that (and it's just 1 of my hidden disabilities), different neurologists and they have 3 extra years of neurological training to treat movement disorders, then how on earth is a speech therapist, midwife, a gp who's never heard of movement disorders (or makes stuff up - I've had that happen), we need people who actually know and understand our health, decision makers what a joke. Oh I sent every bit of paperwork going back decades to back me up, but if they approach a gp who "guesses" then you're failed. Where's the justice in that! Midwives stick to babies and all things midwifery, speech therapist well obvious, gp - general so not qualified for specialist disabilities hence referrals to consultants, even then hope to god your consultant is the same one and doesn't get your treatment accidentally wrong and overdose you!! It's bonkers, but hey, saving money. Maybe we should have a go, between us I'm sure we'd actually know more about several disabilities each, because we have them. I lost confidence in this cheating lot after a face to face with a gp who didn't want to look at medication I'd been told to take in, made up answers so much so I thought I'd got someone else's report! Nuts and that was Tories however Labour are proudly stitching us up too! We don't ask for this lot, give us a break. I worked, earned my pension in 7 years, and wrecked myself doing so. My reward, totally disrespected and palmed off with people who really should say "I'm not trained for this"! It's an utter disgrace, but they don't care, shame on them.
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      · 18 days ago
      @DragonsRugby1969 DragonsRugby1969 
      Unfortunately you do not get to pick and chose what the assessors profession is. 
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    · 22 days ago
    I usually don't comment, but the fact they accept virtually anybody to access vulnerable people who relied heavily on the in work and out of work benefit such as pip etc is extremely scary. I've always known some of the pip assessors know close to nothing about my struggles. At 1  assessment which saw my pip reduced Bipolar highs and lows were actually compared to (Feeling the blues), when the assessors hold so much power over the claimants the very least they MUST be is knowledge based and Qualified a Psychiatrist or mental health nurse . You wouldn't allow the lady on the counter at (boots) to hand out hospital diagnosis on any illness or disability. And then they wonder why the amount of Appeals are held up. we all know when the actual medical professionals at the Appeals service, see the actual facts, but by then the vulnerable has suffered not to mention when they get away with this incompetence, saves them a fortune, but again disabled suffer. I hope they never become ill or disabled it's a club I never wanted to join. 
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      · 14 days ago
      @Lizzy Well said.
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      · 15 days ago
      @Fiona Same here, it's one we never wanted to be in so don't punish us for it. As you say, maybe the woman at the supermarket pharmacy fancies having a go. Mine are rare, not even gps or some standard neurologists can treat 1, it has to be a movement disorder neurologist who treats me! The others are specialist led, I never see my gp, so they've no idea who I am or what my disabilities are, they've no idea. That's why another one took 5 years to diagnose and I had to change practices!
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