Liz Kendall's letter to Labour MP's announcing the "concessions" the government has offered to win over rebels has been published.

It leaves a great many questions unanswered.  And as amendments to the bill will not be published before Tuesday's vote, it means MPs will have to vote without actually knowing what they are ultimately agreeing to. 

On first reading, one of the most obvious question is whether the guarantee relating to PIP means that current claimants will also be protected from the "ministerial review of the Pip assessment, led by the minister for social security and disability [Stephen Timms], to ensure the benefit is fair and fit for the future." If not, and Timms introduces much harsher conditions for PIP from 2028, then the PIP guarantee is good for only around three years.

We are sure readers will have many more queries.  Please post them in the comments section below - we won't be able to answer them, but we can begin to collate them.

Dear colleague,

We have always said we are determined to reform the social security system so it is fair, provides dignity and respect for those unable to work, supports those who can, and is sustainable so it is there for generations to come.

The broken system we inherited from the Tories fails all of those tests.

These important reforms are rooted in Labour values, and we want to get them right.

We have listened to colleagues who support the principle of reform but are worried about the impact of the pace of change on those already supported by the system.

As a result we will make two changes to strengthen the bill.

Firstly, we recognise the proposed changes have been a source of uncertainty and anxiety.

Therefore, we will ensure that all of those currently receiving Pip will stay within the current system. The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.

Secondly, we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element – and any new claimant meeting the severe conditions criteria – have their incomes fully protected in real terms.

Colleagues rightly want to ensure that disabled people and those with ill health are at the heart of our reforms.

We will take forward a ministerial review of the Pip assessment, led by the minister for social security and disability [Stephen Timms], to ensure the benefit is fair and fit for the future.

At the heart of this review will be coproduction with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and MPs so their views and voices are heard. The review will then report to me as work and pensions secretary.

These commitments sit alongside our raising of the standard rate of the universal credit – the biggest real-terms permanent increase of any benefit since the 1980s – the protection of the incomes of the most vulnerable who will no longer be reassessed and the introduction of “right to try”.

Our reform principles remain; to target funding for those most in need and make sure the system is sustainable for the future to support generations to come.

We believe those who can work, should, and those who cannot, should be protected.

We will front load more of the additional funding generated by these reforms for back to work support for sick and disabled people.

Taken together it is a fair package that will preserve the social security system for those who need it by putting it on a sustainable footing, support people back into work, protect those who cannot work and reduce anxiety for those currently in the system.

Thank you to colleagues for engaging with us on these important reforms to social security.

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    · 13 hours ago
    And what if existing claimants get wrongly given a low or NO award during review, then they reapply and face the new rules anyway?
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      · 9 hours ago
      @A I don't think the new rules would apply because the claimant could if they wished to go through the mandatory reconsideration and appeal process. If they were to go through these stages they wouldn't be making a new claim. 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @A I expect they will need to go through the mandatory reconsideration and appeals process so the award decision to deny them PIP is overturned and a correct decision backdated to the original erroneous decision.

      If instead they lose PIP and reapply for PIP their claim would end and latter a new claim start. Losing their exemption from the 4 point rule. Unless the government creates bridging rules for PIP claims. 
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    · 13 hours ago
    Sorry this is a bit unrelated but there is a petition for Ker starmer to tax the super wealthy if anyone agrees https://act.38degrees.org.uk/act/tax-the-super-rich-0924
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    · 13 hours ago
    This whole bill is immoral. Creating a two tier situation for disabled claimants. People don't need this help for the fun of it.
    What will happen to existing DLA Claimants who are still waiting to be invited to apply for Pip? I have searched and AI has informed me that Existing DLA  persons who are waiting to be invited to apply for Pip.... ( DLA to PIP ) will be treated as though they  are new claimants. This whole saga is beyond wrong. People are not ill and disabled to go through life expecting concessions. This is a situation that help is needed. Life is still much harder than before, but the help with DLA or Pip makes it a little more bearable. No one chooses to be ill, or to live with disability and chronic conditions however manageable they might be, the help that these benefits enable are an essential lifeline. Meanwhile people's anxiety levels are increased at a time, they don't need them to be.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Ginny52 Ginny, I would wait until you are invited to apply for Pip. I'm in the same position as you, a few of us here are insomuch that we are still receiving DLA. I'm 65. We were going to be waiting until 2028, as they had so many Pip cases to deal with. However, that is now not going to happen.  It's the not knowing, I know, that is  causing anxiety  and stress, I personally wouldn't do anything until they write to you. This is what they have been saying on the yearly letter with revised rates. They haven't forgotten us.  I have written to my MP to get some clarification, and when he replies, I will post on here. 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Fionn I’m still on DLA at 72. Is applying for PIP still possible?
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      · 6 hours ago
      @SLB That's not actually true - once "managed migration" is triggered, the ESA claim iENDS on a set date shortly afterwards and you have to start a completely NEW CLAIM for UC before that date - if you don't make that NEW CLAIM for that DIFFERENT benefit with its DIFFERENT rules, you get nothing after your ESA claim ends.   This is an essential detail as this bill refers to NEW CLAIMS but doesn't distinguish between migrations and non-linking claims.   At no point are you simply moved to a different benefit - you MUST claim it.  (The same rules applied to the DLA>PIP migration).

      Unless and until the amended bill is published and can be scrutinised, we can only go by the confused wording of the WR bill as published - anything else risks making assumptions.   This is a major issue - because as at the time of writing this - THERE ARE NO CONCESSIONS - only "promises" couched in loose terms that something will bae added to or removed from the appalling bill.

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      · 10 hours ago
      @SLB The move from ESA to UC was treated completely differently to the move from DLA to PIP.

      People on ESA were migrated onto UC complete with honouring LCWRA status and giving transitional protection to higher ESA legacy awards for example those with SDP.

      People on DLA were told DLA is being abolished you need to put in a claim for PIP. The PIP claim was treated as a new claim. No passporting of award status for example no high rate DLA automatically turned into enhanced rate PIP, and no passporting of award duration status no lifetime DLA award automatically turned into ongoing/indefinite PIP award. Many people saw their benefit drop when they moved from DLA to PIP and many people with life time DLA awards got fixed end date PIP awards.  
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Rick4545 I applied for PIP before I was invited, and others could choose to do the same. If I were still on DLA I'd definitely consider applying for PIP now if I were able, so my claim would be treated under the existing rules. It's an individual decision of course, but given that everyone who wants to continue to claim will have to do it eventually, it might be worth thinking about.
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    · 13 hours ago
    What happens to those of us on UC/LCWRA are we safe or screwed like I'm scared stiff of being?
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      · 8 hours ago
      @SLB That's actually not the case.   

      As it stands, the ONLY item on the agenda for Parliament - the ONLY thing that MPs can  debate and vote on is the original bill, exactly as it was written and passed at the first reading.   

      Unless and until the government submits an amendment AND that amendment is allowed by the Speaker - NOTHING HAS CHANGED.   

      You can't vote on the bill, pass it - allowing the creation of a new LAW and then come back and say, "But my mate pinkie-promised and his mate even wrote me a note".  They can ONLY vote on the bill as it already exists - the one that caused the rebellion in the first place.

      So what happens now?   At some point between now and Tuesday, an amendment will be written and submitted to the Speaker - leaving VERY little time for that sack of weasel-words and legalise waffle to be fully scrutinised before MPs are forced to vote yay or nay on what they THINK it says.   The government will have teams of lawyers and other devious types to craft their amendment - MPs will have ten minutes to try to interpret and understand it.

      This is why the bill needs to be PULLED - there simply isn't time now for anyone to properly check this massively important and complex bill.  It makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE what kendall scribbled down or what starmer or Rayner said over a coffee - ALL that actually counts is the vote ON THE BILL AS WRITTEN - and right now - that's the original bill - NOTHING ELSE.   ****IF**** and when an amendment is tabled AND accepted - then that becomes the bill being debated - and you have no idea WHEN or IF that is definitely going to happen.    This is HUGE - it can't be built around assumptions and a quick glance at three million words of "party of the first part" legalise.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Neil Cook There's nothing to suggest that you are screwed.  BUt the new eligibility rules for UC (via daily living PIP) are not included in this bill.  Another fight, another day. 
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Neil Cook If not on PIP then come 2028 when the WCA is abolished. If a cancer patient or likely detrimental effect to health you might be protected, Timms is unclear on this. What if any protection you will get will be revealed when the Pathways to Work white paper is published which is expected to be at the same time as the autumn budget. Then if that gets changed or not you find out when the legislation gets published and goes through Parliament later this year or possibly next year. 
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    · 13 hours ago
    I'm on UC LCWRA without being on PIP. Does continuing protection for people currently only on LCWRA still apply past the proposed merging/abolition of the WCA assessment in 2028? And will the PIP assessment be changed to take into account the descriptors for the WCA or will it just stay the same?

    Have to say the way this whole "reform" has been handled has been as disgusting as it is incompetent.
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      · 8 hours ago
      @John
      "I think it is best to go by Liz Kendall's concession letter to MPs that states what the government has actually agreed to do."

      That letter is not clear either though. If it's definite that those of us on LCWRA but not PIP are still going to be thrown to the wolves in 2028 I'd expect B & W to say so, but even they don't seem sure. 

      Of course, it may be that the government will agree not to reassess current UC Health claimants under the new criteria when the WCA legislation comes forward, especially if they face another rebellion. But at the moment all we have are ministerial statements which are a masterclass in obfuscation and every time it looks as though there might be a glimmer of hope something else appears to snuff it out. Frankly, I don't know how much more of this I can take and I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling that way.
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      · 9 hours ago
      @tintack I think it is best to go by Liz Kendall's concession letter to MPs that states what the government has actually agreed to do. Not try to interpret what MPs are saying about it as being more. MPs are seeking to take credit for the concessions and justify no longer opposing the bill and are talking it up as is the government. 
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      · 10 hours ago
      @John You could read it that way, but that certainly doesn't come anywhere close to being a "massive concession" and it also does not sit easily - to say the least - with the way that this is being reported, including by MPs who had intended to rebel, as "existing claimants can rest easy, they'll be OK". Even B & W, who are extremely on the ball on questions of detail like this, aren't sure what the situation is. 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @tintack Meg Hillier's statement I think is just referring to Liz Kendall's concession "Secondly, we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element – and any new claimant meeting the severe conditions criteria – have their incomes fully protected in real terms."

      Which I think just means the freezing of UC health element will not make them worse off in real terms. Be that either due to UC health not being frozen. Or more likely a backstop in case UC standard allowance with above inflation uplift + UC health frozen is less than UC standard allowance +UC health both increased by inflation.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Gawayn We don't know for certain.  But perhaps you could try claiming for PIP between now and November 2026, so you at least get assessed under the old rules.  That won't affect your LCWRA entitlement.
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    · 13 hours ago
    Labour rebels who are now saying they will not stop the 2nd reading of the Universal Credit and PIP bill. Are in effect saying I was worried about disabled adults losing their benefits blaming Labour protesting and not voting for me. I am not bothered about the fate of disabled children when they grow up or anyone who in the future becomes disabled. 
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      · 12 hours ago
      @John I cannot have any respect for any MP who is bought off with "concessions" which amount to saying "we're going to impoverish a huge number of people, just not as many as we originally planned to".
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    · 14 hours ago
    While income related ESA is migrating to universal credit What is going to happen to contribution related ESA Will it just end as it can only be claimed for a year once the changes are in Or does this mean this will only be for new claimants ? As many on this type of ESA may not be entitled to universal credit So could still be a lot worse off after the new bill takes force Very little has been said about that and it is as clear as mud about the outcome
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      · 12 hours ago
      @CC Changes to UC eligibility are not due to come into force until 2028 - so anyone on a one-year award will have moved before then.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @CC Article 54 of this suggests that the changes for contributory ESA only applies to new claimants, not that that makes it any better.



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      · 13 hours ago
      @CC That is not part of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence bill. Part of this bill is the freeing of the uprating UC health element. Which will now have the concession that their UC will not go down in real terms / will at least be keep up with inflation. Which is being reported as existing UC claimants will get to keep their benefits.

      The abolishing of contributions based ESA and New Style ESA and creation of a new time limited contributions based Unemployment benefit. We will next find out about when the Pathways to Work white paper is published which is expected to be at the same time as the autumn budget. 
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    · 14 hours ago
    I strongly suspect they may weasel on some of these commitments, they are just 'rebel bait', if you like, and once on the statute books they can be rolled back quietly.
    Next up I'd suggest we'll see the folding of PIP into UC and the likely disappearance of the tribunal system.
    It really is the dismantling of the welfare state, the best thing ever in the UK, which my Dad's generation fought for for 6 years in WW2. I'm glad I'm not young - if I was, I'd be out of this country like a shot.





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      · 12 hours ago
      @Pat753 I tend to agree - I dread the composition of the next Govt, although (luckily?) my next PIP review is not until May 2030.  As I'm employed i'm not on UC, thank God
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    · 14 hours ago
    NONE of this should have happened in the first place.

    Starmer, Reeves, Kendal, Stephen Timms, J. Reynolds have all proved themselves as liars and totally untrustworthy.

    That said there are very many decent Labour MP's.   
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    · 14 hours ago
    I feel a stitch up coming.
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    · 14 hours ago
    Stephen Timms whould be fired, I do not under any circumstances trust him to lead a review of benefits, he is an abelist and would not "ensure the benefit is fair and fit for the future".

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    · 14 hours ago
    It's a magic show. Watch what this hand does while the other hand that no one is watching is doing all the trickery. I honestly don't believe starmer and his minions can be trusted. 
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Ste I agree Ste, anything said or written by Labour concerning this needs to be heavily scrutinised though like you say they only let you see what they want you to, even the rebels I would say won't be privvy to the full picture in a desperate attempt to push things through.
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    · 14 hours ago
    So, am I understanding this correctly?

    As a current DLA recipient with a lifetime award, if I have not migrated to PIP before these new regulations take effect, my PIP claim will be assessed using the '4 point' criteria and I will have no transitional protection?
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Slb Afraid not.  That was the uproar when PIP first came in. It's a new benefit, a new claim and no transition.

      They've revised this for a few health conditions, few being the word, but everyone will be reassessed.
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Rick4545 Same here Rick. I've constantly fretted over receiving the impending letter to claim PIP fearing I'll get majorly stitched up. Now it seems we're going to get stitched up regardless.

      I'd contact my MP too but they're someone who tows the PM line regardless of their constituents and only gives interested when it creates headlines for him.

      Back to stress overload it seems
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Slb

      The eligibility criteria for DLA and PIP are different and different award levels can be given. And different award durations can be given while some people with lifetime DLA awards when the applied for PIP got ongoing/indefinite awards and some did not.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Bryan  Hello Bryan,
      I too am in the same position, and there seem to be a few of us on here alone. I'm thinking about emailing my mp, but don't want to prompt an  earlier date. We need some clarity about this.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Bryan If you have a lifetime award, surely they are likely to simply move you to the equivalent award in PIP without reassessment? 
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    · 14 hours ago
    So I guess we are on rebel watch to see who flip flops (aka sells out) and who stays firm

    Could benefit and work publish an editable news update piece with these 2 lists and add to lists as rebels make their position clear throughout the day?

    Bad news is rebel amendment author? Meg Hillier has jumped ship so I presume many will follow her

    Good news is that I doubt the tories will loan support for this version of the bill so we are back to needing about 90 rebel Labour MPs to sink the bill

    ‘2 tier Keir’ is earning that nickname today.

    The problem with these ‘concessions’ (Apart from the obvious) is that a huge chunk of pip claimants don’t get enough points in their reviews/reassessments and have to go to mr and tribunal stress and pressure with sky rocket (plus more ppl will be ‘encouraged’ to go to tribunal which will create more delays and queue and cost more money)

    Also current pip claimants will be even less willing to upset the apple cart and (at least officially - aka tell the dwp/jobcentre) try things like work, volunteering, studying, etc……. as we all know (and have real experience of) the dwp twisting things and triggering a review/docking of points.

    Ironically the Labour gov may of just trapped all current disabled claimants on the system (and working claimants may still quit their jobs as a precaution) whilst at the same time ensuring the future uk disabled receive little support and condemned to poverty and a life really not worth living

    It is essential that those disabled who are good at emails use this weekend to contact the original 126? Labour rebels and politely demonstrate why these concessions could in many ways create more problems and the only sane action is for the bill to get pulled, gutted and redrawn up slowly and carefully 
    (And yes it’s worth contacting those mp rebels who are now saying they’ll support the bill as if they can flip flop once they can do so again)

    We’ve got 4 days to make our case with intelligent argument points against these concessions - let’s leave everything on the table 


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    · 14 hours ago
    Once again, we're left with a statement which different people are interpreting in different ways and which raises far more questions than it answers. Does anyone think that we might get a statement from a minister which actually lays out in clear terms exactly what we need to know?

    No, me neither.
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    · 15 hours ago
    “One rebel said on Friday they wanted further assurances on what Timms would be able to look at and when he would make his recommendations.”

    It was reported in the Guardian, and I agree we must know the full remit of Timms review and when we expect to receive his recommendations.

    It must allow disabled community to be able to participate and request data and be able to challenge the government’s or any of their chosen stakeholders assumptions, it should state clearly any and all reasons it fails to address claimants concerns and we should be given right to reply before it’s voted upon.
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    · 15 hours ago
    From the contents of the letter I suspect she'll garner enough support to get the Bill through the second reading. Really not happy about the Govt ramming the Bill through the Commons in a day. surely this would be open to legal challenge in the future?  
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      · 11 hours ago
      @MATT Maybe not - the tories are now angry because the revised bill isn't cruel enough so they look set to actively oppose it - meaning that it could now be blocked with just 80-odd Labour rebels voting against or even just abstaining.   At this stage, the tories will see that defeating starmer is their best opening to inflict maximum damage - not caring about the bill as such.
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    · 15 hours ago
    Under the proposed amendments, if a review for an existing claimant is scheduled for post Nov 2026, does the 4-point rule still apply?
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Slb I shudder to think of the errors likely to occur with this two teir system, by the jobcentre and dwp being assessed, it's bad enough already 
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Peej No.  It will be under the old rules.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Peej Good question.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Peej I imagine that for those pip claimants having a review the 4 point rule would not apply (I don’t know what the circumstances are with going up or down in care and mobility element - or if you currently only has a pip mobility award that was never affected by the 4pt rule)

      If the 4pt rule still applied to those existing claimants due a review then logically this actually would not be a concession and just some naughty rewording. - it would be very poor play and sneaky from Kendall if it is the case 

      Therefore I think those existing pip claimants going through a review won’t get affected by the 4pt rule - however the devil is in the details (which I doubt will be published before Tuesdays vote) so these concessions are basically only a verbal agreement that until added to legislation aren’t worth the paper they are written on as ministers could easily backtrack after getting the votes they want


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    · 15 hours ago
    It’s a whole lot of words full of air.
    It’s presented as being cooperative and thoughtful but in fact nothing is clear and no guarantees in long terms. 
    I see it as an hasty patch/fix to pacify the rebels and the public.

    This opening part: 
    “…social security system so it is fair, provides dignity and respect for those unable to work, supports those who can,” 

    It’s exactly what Labour has not done!