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PIP cuts latest: 127 rebel Labour MPs, Tory offer, Starmer unmoving, Timms on TV

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Tuesday saw more Labour rebels sign the amendment which aims to kill the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.

The total number of signatories is now 134, which includes:

  • 127 Labour MPs (including two suspended)
  • 5 DUP MPs
  • 2 independent MPs

There’s a full alphabetical list at the end of this article.

It’s also been suggested that one Labour MP has removed their name from the amendment as whips and ministers pile pressure on rebels to get back into line, though we haven’t identified which MP this might be.  Update:  one name missing from the latest list is Samantha Niblett, the Labour MP for South Derbyshire.

Tory offer to support the bill

Kemi Badenoch offered to give Tory support to the beleaguered bill, but with three conditions:

  • Reduce the cost of welfare more than this bill does
  • Get more people into work
  • Guarantee no new tax rises in the Autumn

Labour rejected the offer in what appeared to be an ugly and unprincipled episode of bartering with the lives of disabled claimants.

London mayor backs rebels

London mayor, Sadiq Khan, has called on the government to drop the bill until a proper system of support has been put in place, arguing: 

“I have always said that more must be done to support people to go from relying on benefits to getting back into work. It’s vital for a healthy and prosperous London. What we can’t do is take away the vital safety net that so many vulnerable and disabled Londoners rely upon.”

Starmer unmoving

Keir Starmer is refusing to give ground to the Labour rebels.  He told reporters yesterday “We’re pressing on with a vote on this because we need to bring about reform.”

Elsewhere, there are rumours he is considering postponing next Tuesday's vote in order to gain time to win rebels round.

Timms to face work and pensions committee

Stephen Timms, the DWP disability minister currently working on rewriting the PIP eligibility criteria, is to face questioning by the commons work and pensions committee from 9.43am today.  You can watch him on parliament tv

Full alphabetical list of the MPs who have signed the amendment

Abbott, Ms Diane

Abrahams, Debbie

Al-Hassan, Sadik

Ali, Tahir

Allin-Khan, Dr Rosena

Arthur, Dr Scott

Baker, Richard

Bance, Antonia

Barker, Paula

Barron, Lee

Beales, Danny

Beavers, Lorraine

Begum, Apsana

Betts, Mr Clive

Billington, Ms Polly

Bishop, Matt

Blake, Olivia

Brash, Mr Jonathan

Burgon, Richard

Burke, Maureen

Butler, Dawn

Byrne, Ian

Cadbury, Ruth

Campbell, Mr Gregory  (DUP)

Coleman, Ben

Collinge, Lizzi

Cooper, Andrew

Cooper, Dr Beccy

Craft, Jen

Creasy, Ms Stella

Davies, Paul

De Cordova, Marsha

Dean, Josh

Dhesi, Mr Tanmanjeet Singh

Dixon, Anna

Duffield, Rosie (Independent)

Duncan-Jordan, Neil

Easton,  Alex (Independent NI)

Eastwood, Colum

Eastwood, Sorcha

Eccles, Cat

Edwards, Lauren

Efford, Clive

Ellis, Maya

Entwistle, Kirith

Eshalomi, Florence

Evans, Chris

Fenton-Glynn, Josh

Ferguson, Patricia

Foster, Mr Paul

Foxcroft, Vicky

Francis, Daniel

Furniss, Gill

Gardner, Dr Allison

Gilbert, Tracy

Gwynne,  Andrew (Labour suspended)

Hack, Amanda

Haigh, Louise

Hall, Sarah

Hamilton, Fabian

Hamilton, Paulette

Hanna, Claire

Hayes, Helen

Hillier, Dame Meg

Hinchliff, Chris

Hume, Alison

Hurley, Patrick

Hussain, Imran

Jermy, Terry

Jogee, Adam

Johnson, Kim

Jones, Lillian

Jones, Ruth

Kelly Foy, Mary

Khan, Afzal

Lamb, Peter

Lavery, Ian

Leishman, Brian

Lewell, Emma

Lewis, Clive

Lockhart, Carla (DUP)

Long Bailey, Rebecca

Maskell, Rachael

McDonald, Andy

McDonnell, John  (Labour suspended)

McKenna, Kevin

Midgley, Anneliese

Mishra, Navendu

Mohamed, Abtisam

Morris, Grahame

Mullane, Margaret

Myer, Luke

Naish, James

Naismith, Connor

Newbury, Josh

Nichols, Charlotte

Onn, Melanie

Opher, Dr Simon

Osamor, Kate

Osborne, Kate

Owen, Sarah

Paffey, Darren

Pitcher, Lee

Platt, Jo

Quigley, Mr Richard

Qureshi, Yasmin

Ranger, Andrew

Rhodes, Martin

Ribeiro-Addy, Bell

Riddell-Carpenter, Jenny

Rimmer, Ms Marie

Robertson, Dave

Robinson, Gavin (DUP)

Rushworth, Sam

Shah, Naz

Shannon, Jim (DUP)

Smith, Cat

Sobel, Alex

Stainbank, Euan

Stewart, Elaine

Sullivan, Kirsteen

Swann, Robin

Trickett, Jon

Tufnell, Henry

Turner, Laurence

Vaughan, Tony

Webb, Chris

Western, Matt

Whittome, Nadia

Williams, David

Wilson,  Sammy (DUP)

Witherden, Steve

Yang, Yuan

Yasin, Mohammad

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    James
    · 11 minutes ago
    Source for GDP of UK is  


    So 4.1% or 104.14bn to be spent on defence next year up from 2.3% and yet 5.5% on Welfare is unstainable ? 

    So how is defence sustainable whereas Welfare is not ? The UK should not be buying US based aircrafts and submarines to help US workers but should be helping UK Citizens live a better standard of life. 

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    James
    · 16 minutes ago
    Starmer just promised 4.1% of GDP on defence at the Nato Summit in the Hague. Using the Gross Domestic Product for the UK for this year at 2.31 trillion that means he is proposing to spend 106bn in defence in 2027
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    Dee
    · 34 minutes ago
    I thought I'd add how big a situation we are in right now. This is one of those moments that rarely happen in Northern Ireland were all parties have collectively united to agree these cuts are cruel. All NI MPs but Sinn Fein are on that list (we don't get many). They don't have their party identified for some reason. Sinn Fein are applying pressure in other ways just not in parliament as usual. 

    Local news story via pay wall bypass for those interested.
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    Wayne
    · 57 minutes ago
    The fact that people will lose pip and carers allowance because of 4 point rule and everything else is disgusting attack.its ok for government to waste money on HS2 and other crap but disabled must suffer 
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    MATT
    · 59 minutes ago
    Just seen on BBC news, Rayner (standing in for Starmer) has stated the vote will go ahead next week, although if the numbers keep on going up I think there may be a very late change. It's still Wednesday)
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      Dee
      · 16 minutes ago
      @MATT They will repeat that like a broken record until something finally gives when they realise it isn't going to work. 
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    Anon
    · 59 minutes ago
    Stephen Timms is a truly demonic entity. 
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    Mouseclickeyboardtap
    · 1 hours ago
    "Labour rejected the Tory offer in what appeared to be an ugly and unprincipled episode of bartering with the lives of disabled claimants."

    The deluded hypocroicy of Labour this is exactly what Labour already want to implement into legislation!

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    Anniesmum
    · 2 hours ago
    What happens next if they do pull the bill? 
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      Hopeful Squirrel
      · 2 hours ago
      @Anniesmum New prime minister probably 
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    Claire
    · 2 hours ago
    Widespread speculation No 10 will pull the entire welfare bill before the end of Wednesday,a tweet from Kitty Donaldson.Reported in the Guardian live politics.
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      Yorkie Bard
      · 1 hours ago
      @Pious Pious She does anyway
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      tintack
      · 1 hours ago
      @kevin
      "would that end an end to the bill completely?"

      No, in the meantime they might try to win over rebels with some "concessions", though there's virtually no chance that they will offer anything meaningful. That's why, if the vote is delayed, it's vital to keep up the pressure on Labour MPs to make sure they don't fall for whatver nonsense the government tries. 

      Although pulling the bill would only delay the vote, they have been desperate to hold it now because they don't want their own MPs seeing the detailed impact assessments before the vote. The reason for that is that those assessments will almost certainly make for very grim reading indeed, which would only persuade even more of their own MPs to vote against (and make it even harder to win over those who have already expressed their opposition). The impact assessments are due to be published in the autumn, so hopefully they should be available by the time of an autumn vote. The only thing that could change the verdict of the impact assessments is if the government offered major concessions, but no-one expects that to happen. 
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      Pious
      · 1 hours ago
      @Claire Angela Rayner in PMQ's has just dispelled this, and said the vote is going ahead on Tuesday. They'd be making her look stupid, if she said that just now during PMQ's to then only pull the bill.
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      kevin
      · 2 hours ago
      @Claire Please excuse my ignorance, would that end an end to the bill completely? 
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      Orangeblossom
      · 2 hours ago
      @Claire Also in the independent
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    john
    · 2 hours ago
    The white paper for the pathways to work green paper they hope to publish at the same time as the Autumn budget. So late October-early November.
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      tintack
      · 1 hours ago
      @john The detailed impact assessments should hopefully be available by then, and given that they will make for very grim reading that should make it even harder for the government to win a vote. The only thing that could change the verdict of the impact assessments is if the government offers really major concessions, but I think we all know there is virtually no chance of them offering anything other than minor tweaks. 
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      john
      · 2 hours ago
      @john The white paper will reveal what they are going to do in regards to those who qualify for LCWRA under special rules, like undergoing cancer treatment, or risk of likely substantial detrimental effect to health. Timms says these groups will be protected?

      But the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment bill as written excludes those who are likely substantial detrimental effect to health from being in the severe group. As only those whose LCWRA eligibility is via schedule 7 can qualify for the severe group if they also meet the severe group criteria. Not schedule 9
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    D.Head
    · 2 hours ago
    our good mate Timms again standing up for the disabled.

    quoted from the BBC website "
    He added he would be "delighted" to get support from the Conservatives and "across the entire House".

    what a charmer
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    john
    · 2 hours ago
    According to Timms they will listen to criticism of the new 4pt rule not being fit for purpose after it is implemented. And could quite quickly make some changes to PIP eligibility. So most claimants would not be affected. So that will work OK according to Timms. So to hell with those unfortunate enough to be assessed or re-assessed before the government actually accepts the 4pt rule is not fit for purpose, if it ever does. It amounts to you've got to break some eggs to make an omelette and trust me bro.

    Also according to Timms people on LCWRA are comfortable for money. He is being wilfully ignorant. 75% of those on UC health are in material deprivation, 50% unable to afford a healthy diet, 25% are reliant on food banks. And he has said those on LCWRA are being told they are incapable of working and that is just not true. Being wilfully ignorant of the data on once they lose LCWRA how few are expected to actually get a job. 
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      tintack
      · 1 hours ago
      @john
      "According to Timms they will listen to criticism of the new 4pt rule not being fit for purpose after it is implemented. And could quite quickly make some changes to PIP eligibility. So most claimants would not be affected. So that will work OK according to Timms. So to hell with those unfortunate enough to be assessed or re-assessed before the government actually accepts the 4pt rule is not fit for purpose, if it ever does. It amounts to you've got to break some eggs to make an omelette and trust me bro"

      Jesus, that's as bad as his comments about LCWRA. It's like saying "we'll fire a gun at the patient's head, and if it makes a bit of a mess we'll consider using a different kind of bullet."
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      tintack
      · 2 hours ago
      @john
      "And he has said those on LCWRA are being told they are incapable of working and that is just not true."

      So apparently it's not true, despite the fact that you only get LCWRA after being found unfit for work by a Work Capability Assessment, an assessment which has long been notorious for its harshness and brutality. What on earth is he smoking?
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      Sam
      · 2 hours ago
      @john He's also crazy thinking people only apply for lcwra from lcw for extra money. I did it because I needed them to leave me alone before I seriously hurt myself! God I'd give it all back right now and live of cold porridge in a dark cold room if it means they will still leave me alone!
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    kevin
    · 2 hours ago
    My CPN (community psychiatric nurse) has just told me that the crisis team and all NHS mental health services have had unprecedented numbers of mentally ill people in crisis since these disability cuts were announced in March. She said it is causing untold damage to those with the most serious mental health conditions like Bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis etc and will do in the future as the levels of stress caused is triggering massive mental health episodes that would normally be under control. 

    So not only is Starmer causing more mental health issues he's also adding to the NHS crisis too in one foul sweep of vindictiveness because he won't tax the supper rich. 
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      kevin
      · 44 minutes ago
      @Anniesmum Good afternoon. I have sent this to my local MP, Edward Leigh and been ignored, shock horror. 

      My CPN said that right across the NHS mental health services those from top to bottom positions, from senior Psychiatrists consultants to even the admin staff are all horrified at the cuts and how it is affecting their patients, how since March the influx of crisis management has risen so high it cannot be dealt with in a safe manner.

      I am currently in crisis with my mental health, i have bipolar 1 with rapid mood cycling, psychosis both visual and auditory, paranoid delusions, extreme anxiety to the point i faint due to my body not being able to deal with the chemical rushes, OCD, I have to take six different mental health medications three times a day, I have not slept in three days even while taking sleeping pills and I am at the point where i may have to be sectioned if it becomes worse for my own safety as I am feeling suicidal. The threat of disability cuts, the instability of  not knowing how it will affect myself and fellow disabled and mentally ill people has triggered this episode. 

      I am just one example of many many people in our community who is in crisis due to  this fiasco of discrimination against a medical minority by this government, Starmer is an evil man and those that back him are evil too. 
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      Anniesmum
      · 2 hours ago
      @kevin Kevin, do you feel you would like to send this to your MP and a complaint to the Labour Party? They need to know about this. Don’t worry at all if you don’t feel up to doing this it’s only a suggestion. Hope you are doing ok.
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      Anniesmum
      · 2 hours ago
      @kevin I really feel MPs need to know about this. This is terrible and very unsurprising. Utterly diabolical. 
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    Pixelmum
    · 2 hours ago
    I tried to watch Timms but I had to turn it off, I couldnt stand listening to the lies.
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    john
    · 3 hours ago
    Before the summer recess the government hopes to announce the terms of reference for the consultation on the new PIP assessment system, that will be introduced in the future, possibly by 2028 when the WCA is abolished.
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    Wayne
    · 3 hours ago
    There must be a fair a way to save money and not attack disabled people the 4 point pip is worse thing to do 
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    john
    · 3 hours ago
    The government repeats the mantras that people are incentivised to claim LCWRA, that mental health claimants have increased and that work is good for mental health so often I am surprised they have not proposed mandatory work placements and turning psychiatric hospitals into workhouses to cure the ill. Or if I am being cynical who the government is in effect portraying as malingering feckless.  
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    Gingin
    · 3 hours ago
    Keep emailing MPs! Those on the other side of the argument might be doing the same. 
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    James
    · 3 hours ago
    So what we really have are two nasty sets of leaders in both parties completely out of touch with reality and attacking the sick and disabled much like the 1930s in Germany! These people like Kemi are the worst of power seekers who think they are going to ride to power on hate. This is not the British way and these are not our values! This is fascism pure and simple!
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    Anon
    · 3 hours ago
    Why only 127 Labour MPs have signed? Where are the Lib Dem MPs? This is an absolute catastrophe. Please lobby more MPs to sign it, it's urgent
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      Gingin
      · 2 hours ago
      @Anon
      The Lib Dems have said they’re opposed from the beginning. Today in parliament (reported by Guardian Politics Live):

      Daisy Cooper, the deputy Lib Dem leader, says her party is opposed to the welfare bill. The government may have to push it through with Tory support, she claims.

      She asks for an assurance that these reforms will not be implemented, if the bill passes, until the review of the carers’ allowance scandal has concluded.

      Rayner defends the bill, but does not address the question.

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