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A number of national media outlets are reporting that the government is considering scrapping or overhauling the work capability assessment (WCA) as well as making it easier for claimants to return to their former benefits if an attempt at working fails.

The WCA is a points based system used to decide if a claimant is eligible for employment and support allowance or universal credit.

A white paper on benefits is due out in the next few months and it is claimed it will include changes to the WCA.  Ministers are said to be unhappy that the system currently focuses on what a claimant cannot do rather than what job they could do.

Many Benefits and Work readers may feel that they have heard all these pledges before and that little ever comes of them.

But with employers now struggling to fill vacancies and the number of people leaving the workforce because of illness at a record high, there is a strong incentive for the government to make changes.

Allowing claimants to return to their former benefits if an attempt at working is not successful sounds attractive on the face of it.

But given the enormous delays in processing claims, the impossibility of getting through to the DWP on the telephone and the department’s savage eagerness to sanction claimants, how many are likely to believe a smooth transition back to benefits would be possible?

And how many employers will be willing to take on claimants with a long history of ill-health, especially if their condition is one that varies in its severity?

Abolishing the WCA is clearly long overdue.  But the idea of replacing it with a system that tests what claimants can do instead ignores the fact that this is exactly what the WCA was allegedly designed to do.

The reality is that replacing the WCA with a new assessment which is independent of a claimant’s own health practitioners is likely to lead to exactly the same problems as the current WCA.

But, it seems to be increasingly likely that another attempt to overhaul the system to get more sick and disabled claimants into work is about to begin. 

Would you welcome changes to the system?  And would you trust the DWP to return you swiftly and smoothly to your benefits if you tried work and had to stop again?  Let us know in the comments section below.

You can read the full report in the Guardian

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    Emanie · 1 years ago
    No, I don’t trust the DWP/gov. full stop, let alone the idea of that if I could work, but found I couldn’t continue, that they would put me back into the same benefits. I think they would be more likely use it as a way to put me into UC rather than legacy benefits. 
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      bobtehbuilder · 1 years ago
      @Emanie not just to put you on UC but to also trigger a WCA where you wrongly get found fit for work and all benefits removed.
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    Maria · 1 years ago
    Sometimes it seems as though the ill and disabled are a group that has little rights and protections, which doesn’t seem fair as other groups in society seem to have excessive rights.  I am worried about the new plans because the staff at DWP seem to be abrasive and rash and lack compassion and empathy.  Which is a shame because the staff used to be really nice and professionally kind.  I think therefore that we need new styles of government, as the current ones certainly don’t seem to be working for disabled people.  I also think it would be good if those in charge of infrastructure and planning and interior design, were encouraged to include decisions which would benefit everyone in society, and especially the disabled, as most current planning seems to focus on youth, and the able bodied.  If this were to happen, I don’t think that the disabled would be exploited so much and it would be easier to try to work if things were designed to include and attract disabled people! Thank you.

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    Terry · 1 years ago
    What will happen if epileptics, like myself, were spotted having a seizure whilst in the work place? I had a seizure whilst doing some voluntary work once & got stopped/kicked out & that was voluntary work, so to think what would happen in a proper job if that happens. 
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      Jill · 1 years ago
      @Terry God help you Terry you have bothers enough without having to worry about this. Shame on them and those who vote them in
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    Melvin · 1 years ago
    Neither the DWP or government can be trusted or believed to either return claimants to original benefits or change the rules once folk are in work. If the government makes changes their own Tory judiciary will back them no matter what, both are morally corrupt in their own self interest.
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      Dave · 1 years ago
      @Melvin I do not trust this government at all, they just lie all the time. Ive never voted for them and never will. There as corrupt as Russia.
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    Emma · 1 years ago
    Be good if those who work in the department were actually qualified to make the decisions! Then again the UK needs to have diagnostic pathways that support many of these disabilities. I have to re-claim for my girl who turns 16 this year, yet she hasn't got the Mental Capacity to take on her own benefits/disabilities. Why do we have to prove it when an ECHP clearly stipulates what she can't do!! The medical evidence is not fabricated BS and it should be considered and accepted as part of the application form.  Dyspraxia/DCD is a lifelong physical and mental condition which in all the systems we have accessed not one person in the UK understands the impact it has on every day living! 
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    Bobs · 1 years ago
    What about those people who.  Eg. On ESA support group with long term health problems mental health who can't return to work will they feel pressured into work and the impact on their mental health will lead to stress to work. The DWP are already bogged down dealing with new claims so this needs to be looked at carefully 
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      Coln · 1 years ago
      @Bobs They will always try find loopholes both government's. They will try find you any sort job. Always putting the frightening talk out there for the sick and disabled. They believe in miracles for the sick and disabled to work again. I keep hearing the sick and disabled want to work well I don't as I can't through no fault of my own  we all need keep strong mentally. 
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    diceman24 · 1 years ago
    how most be worry about gov white paper? if plans go ahead why panic if your unable to work due to medical conditions than surely the safty net will be there
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      Margaret · 1 years ago
      @diceman24 I think the safety net has a lot of holes in it 
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      Bobs · 1 years ago
      @Susan I don't know how they will make the new system work. The DWP are ready backlogged with dealing with ESA new claiments and refusing to carry out repeat ESA claiments. If government will try and force people who are sick back into work. Will cause immense stress. Can't see it working. 
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      Susan · 1 years ago
      @diceman24 There is no safety net with the DWP
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    Coln · 1 years ago
    Work and staying on benefits is only meant for a short time like first month only of what I understand. They will not give you ESA and PIP benefits if you are able to work. Maybe they will let you keep it for longer just the fine print is not there. Anyway do they think the sick and disabled in support group can work? Again the frighteners are out attacking this group from both Con-lab
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      Coln · 1 years ago
      @James That's a tricky subject. Myself on ESA support group and PIP. If they say oh you can do this work as you can open your mouth or reach a distance with your hand for examples they will find those jobs even when evidence of pain. Loopholes they are trying to find always. If only on PIP yes you can work but when on both at same time your not expecting to work now and in future as your long term sick and disabled. 
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      James · 1 years ago
      @Coln You can work and claim Pip
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    Coln · 1 years ago
    Putting everyone who in the support group onto universal credit is the goal for now then those who get also PIP will eventually see there monthly income cut as the will try put PIP income towards the all in one benefit to save themselves money. Long-term sick and disabled eventually can do some sort of work they always say that will continue with labour if they get in. Putting the frighteners for the disabled is on-going vision for con-lab government. 
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    clearwater · 1 years ago
    Some  believe that  governments  are interested in helping disability/heath/labour claimants, the truth is neither Cons or Labour do.

    The bottom line is they want claimant figures of all types Down 

    Labour are really not better than Conservative, just  not so openly hostile, and use different terms, but  K. Starmer and  R. Reeves are pretty hard nosed, make no mistake,  J. Ashworth (wolf in sheep's clothing) is definitely not on your side. 


    They want only want to be Elected and in Power,   so don't raise your hopes about anything, the recent postponement of  ESA to  UC   by end of 2024 to 2028 etc means absolutely nothing, as  anything can happen between then, those were only ever the  end dates.  
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    Harry · 1 years ago
    Here we go again expect letters to  disabled in the ESA Support group;as previously a few years ago, to be asked to go for  Work Focused Interview with a work coach or to see if you are getting the right amount of benefit etc etc 
    As MrFibro correctly states if you're long term disabled and you're medical conditions are never going to change more likely worsen then please leave us alone.
    Sadly this abhorrent heinous government are determined not too.
    Regarding Labour they originally brought in the New Deal for Disabled document in 1997 nuff said on that one.
    Suffice to say don't rely on them either.
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      Margaret · 1 years ago
      @Harry Any ideas why the government hate disabled people? You'd think they were paying the benefits out of their own pockets.
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    jason lee · 1 years ago
    will they stop assessments.....?
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      MJ · 1 years ago
      @jason lee No chance.
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      EWA · 1 years ago
      @jason lee not until stopped ,the Court decision.  Not alone cases, happening once in the blue moon ,but  Historical Claim by all of Us. The compensation that hurts long time and beginning new era. Era of respect and no humiliation for large part of our society.  
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    MrFibro · 1 years ago
    Why don't this muggy goverment, for example simply pension claimants off, who are of a certain age, and their illnesses have been and are still longstanding, and ongoing and wont get any better.

    It's just seems a simple task is too complicated for them to get their heads around.  Just need someone who knows how to use a keyboard and run database queries!!!.

    Example
    age >=50
    how long disabled or ill >=10 years
    All medical evidence submitted = yes / or no

    Something on those lines.


    All WCA's are designed not in the interest of the claimants, the goverment prefer to shell out hundreds of millions if not billions to employ 3rd party corporations like asos, maximus, capita etc to make life as hard and stressful as possible for us.

    If a person has an illness which is only a short term thing, then it's understandable such persons should try to get back into work again.

    But parking certain criterias of claimants onto their state pension with pension credit makes sense.

    Given the choice i would opt out for this, as less WCA's = less stress, pain, and suffering, than if one was to keep attending WCA's.  I don't exactly know what the financial implications would be, ie maybe one gets more on sick benefits, rather than a state basic pension.  But i thought pension credits is there to raise that level.

    One can't have it both ways.

    Good luck to all we will be needing it.

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      Linda · 1 years ago
      @MrFibro
      I have long since argued for this course. In my case, and I am sure I am not alone, they would actually have to pay me LESS on a pension than they do on ESA because of my various disabilities and the resultant premiums. It would give them some cash in hand and a saving on keep testing me, and it would give me peace of mind and less stress. BUT let's face it, this Government is not about saving you from stress, far from it, the more stressed out you are, the worse your health, the worse your health the quicker you die and won't qualify for your pension anyway!

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    Alan · 1 years ago
    I am 100% certain that the only changes this Tory gov (or any future Tory gov) want to make to disability benefits is to reduce the number of claimants by any means possible. When the White Paper is eventually published, it will not say this explicitly, but if you look at it carefully, that is what you will find. The gov will claim that numbers of claimants have increased significantly. That is true, despite the efforts of the DWP to deny thousands of people their legal right to state help with their disability. I believe a Labour gov would do better and be more sympathetic to the disabled. 
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      Linda · 1 years ago
      @Alan Please don't be fooled into thinking that Liebour will be any better than the Tories in this regard. People seem to forget that the WCA came in under them in the first place. Not to mention that Sir Kier is a closet Tory who makes retrospective regulations about members of his party, and will do the same to the population given the chance. You will find yourself falling foul of a law that never existed at the time that you did something they now disaprove of!
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      MJ · 1 years ago
      @Alan Don't count on that for a moment. I remember being on the sick in the 2000's under Labour and I had to go for incapacity benefit assessments twice in two years. That was stressful.

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      welshval · 1 years ago
      @Alan You are correct but listening to Jonathon Ashworth Labour they have similar plans so I am afraid we need to brace ourselves either way!  
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    clearwater · 1 years ago
    WCA may be scrapped or overhauled


    is it the current Conservative government or Labour that is planning this?

     my understanding it is Labour if they are in power
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      Chris · 1 years ago
      @clearwater labours idea first, then tories jumped on it knowing now labour wont fully oppose.
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    JM · 1 years ago
    If I was made to go and find a job I would most likely take my own life ,I can't deal with mixing with other I have complex PTSD , severe personality disorder high suicidal Tendenciesso all this rubbish just adds more stress to my life
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      ClaireLO · 1 years ago
      @JM Totally understand this JM but don't think of taking your life
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      welshval · 1 years ago
      @JM Please don't let them win as far as these monsters are concerned that would be an acceptable result
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    Aw · 1 years ago
    This government has zero interest in making life easier for claimants. I can only be scared of any changes they propose, however much pretty language they use to try and sell it to us. What's upsetting me most at the moment is that Labour are pinning own their anti-claimant flags to the mast aswell. It makes me completely terrified for the future.
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      welshval · 1 years ago
      @Aw 100% correct the current Labour party uses similar language and has outlined very similar plans remember Rachel Reeves shadow chancellor notoriously said labour should be on the side of hard working people not benefit claimants or words to that effect.
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    tom · 1 years ago
    They won't scrap it, But make it near impossible to meet the criteria , and as for getting people back into work, WHAT JOBS are they?  Because  this GOVT has destroyed many small and medium-sized businesses  with  its insane LOCKDOWNS and FURLOUGH  and Govt has WASTED BILLIONS  of TAX money,  Now it wants to ramp up  its attack on the sick and disabled  It does not care about  repairing the economy only crashing it
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      John · 1 years ago
      @tom There are that many on strike now we will have to do their jobs I suppose: (
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      welshval · 1 years ago
      @tom The jobs they have lined up for us are the low paid s**t jobs no one else wants because "we can't have economically inactive spongers cluttering up the country!
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    Mark · 1 years ago
    According to what i read on teletext they (whoever wrote it) gave the impression that we could work while staying on benefits. The piece above seems to suggest that it is about being able to go back on benefits if an attempt at work fails. I wouldn't pesonally trust the latter option. But i would consider the former.
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      Kitty · 1 years ago
      @Mark Work while staying on benefits? maybe for 12 months then review form for assessment drops through the letterbox. Then they'll tell you your able to hold down a job you can't be that sick,then stike you off the benefits.jobs a goodin nuff said🤔
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      lesley · 1 years ago
      @MrFibro I agree with you MrFibro, it's all a sham, and it will be simply creating jobs for the people implementing these assessments.  I trust that the moderators and good folk who work on this site will be able to guide everyone and help us through all this.  They all have excellent knowledge and are always up to date with everything.
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      MJ · 1 years ago
      @MrFibro Yep totally agree. 
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      MrFibro · 1 years ago
      @Mark Hi Mark,

      If a person is claiming benefits ie esa/ pip for being ill and disabled, then why would anyone in their right mind, want to work. 

      All that's doing is justifying the DWP agenda to kick people of benefits, as their argument would be he/she wants to graft, so everyone must want to graft too, and or is capable off working!

      I have been down this route in the past trying to get back into graf even though i am ill and disabled, and it ent worked out at all.  Just caused me more stress and ill health.

      I agree with you on not trusting the govement about if work fails, then benefits will be re-instated automatically.

      It's seems to me, to be a trap to kick claimants off their benefits to claw back the countless billions this government pumped into the corrupt furlough scheme, and other schemes they wasting countless billions on.

      good luck
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    Hippo · 1 years ago
    Why can't they just leave us alone.  I am disabled, sick and exhausted.  However I'll never give in to the Far Right elements of British politics which now has its tentacles in both the Tory and Labour parties..  It does not matter how they design the new test, We Will Still Qualify for our benefits because we're Sick and Disabled and that's the whole point isn't it?
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