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5 years 5 months ago #240204 by Gordon
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Specifically and only for the Going Out activity, I would flip your argument to one based on safety and not supervision. The Descriptors make no reference to supervision so you will need to use the "reliability criteria instead, you could also argue that he is unable to go out to necessary and acceptable standard.
There is nothing wrong with the suggested approach, saying what Descriptor you think that you meet challenges those assessing you to explain why they do not think that you meet that level. however, the disadvantage is that it also requires those assessing you to refer to your previous documentation and whilst they should have it available to them, our feeling is that most assessors do not. So our advice is to also explain why you meet your choice when you answer.
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Specifically and only for the Going Out activity, I would flip your argument to one based on safety and not supervision. The Descriptors make no reference to supervision so you will need to use the "reliability criteria instead, you could also argue that he is unable to go out to necessary and acceptable standard.
There is nothing wrong with the suggested approach, saying what Descriptor you think that you meet challenges those assessing you to explain why they do not think that you meet that level. however, the disadvantage is that it also requires those assessing you to refer to your previous documentation and whilst they should have it available to them, our feeling is that most assessors do not. So our advice is to also explain why you meet your choice when you answer.
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5 years 5 months ago - 5 years 5 months ago #240205 by Gordon
Following on from my previous answer.
It's not always necessary to send new evidence, many will not be able to because they are not receiving any treatment at the moment. The need will depend on your conditions, I'm afraid mental health issues are often depreciated by assessors and we would advise getting new evidence if you can, however, many conditions (including mental health ones), do not improve over time and in these cases you can still use the evidence that was previously submitted but you will still need to show that your limitations are the same or worse.
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j11200 wrote: Sorry forgot to ask this bit The other site says send in the medical evidence you originally sent with the PIP claim form but am afraid we seem to have lost the letters we sent before and no longer see the cpn and have different gp now as old one retired. Surely they would already have seen this before? I thought you had to send new evidence if we can get any?
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Following on from my previous answer.
It's not always necessary to send new evidence, many will not be able to because they are not receiving any treatment at the moment. The need will depend on your conditions, I'm afraid mental health issues are often depreciated by assessors and we would advise getting new evidence if you can, however, many conditions (including mental health ones), do not improve over time and in these cases you can still use the evidence that was previously submitted but you will still need to show that your limitations are the same or worse.
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5 years 5 months ago #240217 by j112009
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We don't have any of the old letters 1 was a gp letter, 2, acpn letter to say he saw him regularly, 3,
an outpatient letter to his gp from a psychiatrist ( which was not sent with the form as arrived tto late just showed that to the assessor whoread it and handed it back) 4, prescription list.
I am really struggling with what information to put in whic box of the 3 for each activity. The 1st question about food hasn't really changed but I'm following your advice to fill in details anyway, Should I start by saying "because of my the list the illnesses I am still unable to prepre and cook a meal from scratch. Then give the reasons likr fatigue, poor concentration dizziness, intrusive thoughts and the danger from sharp knives and boiling water (re history of self harm) etc)? Then continue to say the same thing and add that carer prepares all meals for these reasons in the 2nd box, then the 3rd box what help do you need from another person just say that He needs me to prepare and cook all of his meals bar cereal and that i aslo do all of the shopping for him etc?
I don't think I can put the points in the box as to what I think he should get going on his last award as I don't know what to add for my arguments to that effect. I thought the review forms went direct to the decision maker first not to Capita unless the DM couldn't decide on the reassessent from the AR1 and any evidence sent with it. Is this correct?
Please forgive my questions( i know it's a lot) but as you can prob tell I'm quite unwell myself and the stress of doing his form for him is making me worse. Please bear with me. Thank you in advaance.
an outpatient letter to his gp from a psychiatrist ( which was not sent with the form as arrived tto late just showed that to the assessor whoread it and handed it back) 4, prescription list.
I am really struggling with what information to put in whic box of the 3 for each activity. The 1st question about food hasn't really changed but I'm following your advice to fill in details anyway, Should I start by saying "because of my the list the illnesses I am still unable to prepre and cook a meal from scratch. Then give the reasons likr fatigue, poor concentration dizziness, intrusive thoughts and the danger from sharp knives and boiling water (re history of self harm) etc)? Then continue to say the same thing and add that carer prepares all meals for these reasons in the 2nd box, then the 3rd box what help do you need from another person just say that He needs me to prepare and cook all of his meals bar cereal and that i aslo do all of the shopping for him etc?
I don't think I can put the points in the box as to what I think he should get going on his last award as I don't know what to add for my arguments to that effect. I thought the review forms went direct to the decision maker first not to Capita unless the DM couldn't decide on the reassessent from the AR1 and any evidence sent with it. Is this correct?
Please forgive my questions( i know it's a lot) but as you can prob tell I'm quite unwell myself and the stress of doing his form for him is making me worse. Please bear with me. Thank you in advaance.
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5 years 5 months ago #240224 by Gordon
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I would follow the formula in our PIP Claim guide;
1. What is the health condition and what are the symptoms that cause you problems with preparing food? For example, stiffness caused by arthritis or fatigue caused by ME.
2. Describe the problems you have, giving details and examples if you can.
3. If you use any aids or appliances, list them and explain why you use them.
4. If you need physical help, supervision or prompting, whether you actually get it or not, explain what you need and why you need it, including if you need help when using aids or appliances. If you can’t manage even with help from another person and have to have everything done for you, say so.
5. Say when during the day or night you have problems. For example, is it all the time, mostly in the morning or just in the evening?
6. If your condition varies, from day to day or week to week, try to explain how much it varies and what problems you have when you are at your best, worst and average
perhaps in less detail than you did on the original form.
So for the first question, you could reply "no change" or whatever is appropriate, for the second follow the above formula and for the last one just explain the help you need and get.
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I would follow the formula in our PIP Claim guide;
1. What is the health condition and what are the symptoms that cause you problems with preparing food? For example, stiffness caused by arthritis or fatigue caused by ME.
2. Describe the problems you have, giving details and examples if you can.
3. If you use any aids or appliances, list them and explain why you use them.
4. If you need physical help, supervision or prompting, whether you actually get it or not, explain what you need and why you need it, including if you need help when using aids or appliances. If you can’t manage even with help from another person and have to have everything done for you, say so.
5. Say when during the day or night you have problems. For example, is it all the time, mostly in the morning or just in the evening?
6. If your condition varies, from day to day or week to week, try to explain how much it varies and what problems you have when you are at your best, worst and average
perhaps in less detail than you did on the original form.
So for the first question, you could reply "no change" or whatever is appropriate, for the second follow the above formula and for the last one just explain the help you need and get.
Gordon
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5 years 5 months ago #240325 by j112009
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Hello Gordon On the review form I just noticed that unlike the PIP claim form it doesn't ask about any side effects of the medications you are taking. The side effects are significant for my B/F and we listed them all last time. Does this mean that on review they take no notice of side effects at all?
Should I list them in detail on a seperate piece of paper? Would this help with his review or not?
Do other eople list side effects on review froms? This is a nightmare...been reading horror stories on the forum. Last date to post back 28th and haven't started yet. Should I just mainly copy what I put on the PIP claim form but shortened a bit?
Should I list them in detail on a seperate piece of paper? Would this help with his review or not?
Do other eople list side effects on review froms? This is a nightmare...been reading horror stories on the forum. Last date to post back 28th and haven't started yet. Should I just mainly copy what I put on the PIP claim form but shortened a bit?
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5 years 5 months ago #240332 by Gordon
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If your medication has side effects then you should list them but you must tie them to the PIP activities for them to be considered.
If you think that the information from your PIP2 is still applicable then you can copy it but make sure that it appears to be current.
Be careful of reading the forum, it is here to help claimants who are having problems with their benefits so it is not surprising that the forum has a lot of negative posts but we also have lots of successes, have a look at the following
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/component/sear...se=all&Itemid=100177
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If your medication has side effects then you should list them but you must tie them to the PIP activities for them to be considered.
If you think that the information from your PIP2 is still applicable then you can copy it but make sure that it appears to be current.
Be careful of reading the forum, it is here to help claimants who are having problems with their benefits so it is not surprising that the forum has a lot of negative posts but we also have lots of successes, have a look at the following
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/component/sear...se=all&Itemid=100177
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