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5 years 3 months ago #242494 by Gordon
James

Ok. thank you for the additional information.

So all you are doing at this time is making a request for an appeal, whilst you need to provide reasons for the appeal you do not have to go into detail on the SSCS1 form, you can do this later once you have received the DWP's submission for the appeal.

As the Decision you are appealing was made in May 2017, the appeal panel will only be able to consider your limitations as they were at this time, they cannot consider any changes to your ability to go out since then.

So the question you need to ask yourself and your recent posts suggest that you already have the answer, can you show that in 2017 you were able to leave your home but were then unable to follow a route to a familiar destination.

As you don't report any sensory or cognitive issues this would have to be because your would suffer overwhelming psychological distress when following a route and this OPD would prevent you from continuing.

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5 years 3 months ago #242496 by jim555
yes, you are correct in what you are saying. I didn't know that the tribunal only base their decision based on the time of the original award. There is evidence to support 1f descriptor at time of original award but less favourably than 1e based on the majority of days. I also don't think it seems right that they base it on the time of the award when the pip descriptor was much different to that after the MH court ruling. My point is there was clear evidence obtained in 2017 that possibly indicates a need to request more information relating to 1f criteria but no request was made. Also if the evidence is there now or from the point of award to present for satisfying 1f a different descriptor, why would it not be awarded if it is clear it is satisfied?
Its like the DWP can disriminate against MH claimants until the judge in a high court corrects them, even then they take their time and make a half hearted attempt to correct their wrongs.

so my stance is that i will find it hard to prove at time of oringinal award i satisfied descriptor 1f opposed to 1e but since then the high court and DWP have moved the goal posts.. now i can prove 1f i satisfy on the majority of days but tribunal wont award me it.

Yes, you are correct in what you say, i just need to give reasons and submit my appeal and then follow up with further info shortly after.

Do you think i should continue with the appeal or give up? I would much prefer to take the easier option but I thought the tribunal would look independently at my case and award accordingly. I think i need to wait until 2021 for my current award to end.

Should i submit and just take the paper based option for an easier life? Is my case complex that an oral hearing would certainly be the best option based on grey areas and obvious points of contention?
Thanks again for your time Gordon,
James

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5 years 3 months ago #242505 by jim555
Good morning, today I am putting pen to paper. Fingers crossed I can get a clearer understanding of my situation. Apologies if I annoy anyone. I have a few questions..

1. If at an oral tribunal appeal hearing, I run the risk of losing my current award the Judge must warn me of this and give me the chance to withdraw my appeal... how would this situation play out if one opted for a paper based hearing?

2. In my MR decision section it states, "during the period under consideration" can you tell me exactly what the "period" is please? Start to present date of award, award date only or 3 moths prior and 9 months after award date?

It also states in this section "the medical evidence you have provided (this is recent evidence, 2019 not 2017 around time of original award) so does this confirm "during the period under consideration" includes information and evidence up to the present date?
Surely, if they refer to the period under reconsideration only to be the initial award date or even 3 months before and 9 months after award, they would state this and outright dismiss recently dated evidence?

Is only recently dated evidence applicable if it relates to time periods around the original award date? confused.

3. Gordon, please can you explain further what is important to my case with your response you gave at the beginning of my post please? I am confused, is this good or bad? Do i have a point to argue? etc.

"The current legal situation is that your ability to follow a route (f) cannot be assessed if you are unable to go out and by definition, if you are having problems following a route then you must have left your house".

I am guessing you mean the two descriptors contradict each other? I agree, hence feeling I satisfy f over e on the majority of days as recent evidence supports. Am i missing something more important here?

Thank you for your time, really is much appreciated,

James

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5 years 3 months ago #242522 by Gordon
James

I can't offer an opinion on whether you should continue with the appeal or not only you can make this decision, all I can do is try to help you understand the framework in which an appeal can be successful.

1. The judge should write to you with their concerns.

2. This means from May 2017 to the end of the award but in regard to you challenging the award, it means Mat 2017 only.

Whatever the MR letter might say or suggest that Decision and any Decision made by the appeal panel can only consider your conditions and limitations as they were in May 2017, if these have changed since May 2017 then they are legally excluded from the panel's deliberations.

3. As I explained in a previous post the criteria for (e) and (f) are mutually exclusive of each other, you cannot argue one without depreciating your arguments for the other.

You can submit new evidence for the appeal but it must explicitly state that it is relevant to May 2017 for it to be considered.

Gordon

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5 years 3 months ago #242544 by jim555
Thanks Gordon. Odds are against me then obtaining new evidence now, relating back to circumstances in 2017...
Do you have a rough idea of time frame for tribunal hearings in the southeast? 6 months a typical expectation?

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5 years 3 months ago #242545 by Gordon
James

I'm afraid we do not have any timescales for appeal hearings, members occasionally report wait times for a particular venue but we don't track it on the forum.

Tribunal wait times are only for Oral hearings that the claimant attends, Paper hearings are usually heard much earlier often when an Oral hearing has been cancelled.

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