Andy Burnham, a potential next prime minister if he wins the Makerfield byelection, has told the Times newspaper that he would not be squeamish about reducing the welfare bill.  However, he ruled out  “crude” short-term cuts, instead pointing to long-term plans to “support people into work”.

In the interview last week, [paywall] Burnham said that ““I am not squeamish about saying that the plan would be to reduce the welfare bill. Not at all.”

But he added “It is not the traditional Westminster way of just crude cuts, short-term cuts that then create a backlash and create more political turbulence. It is actually going to do things that will reduce the benefits bill, moving towards a more preventative state that makes the right investments to support people into work.”

He said he was in favour of increased funding for defence but “I would say it’s defence and security but also resilience.”

“We do not have a preventative, productive, growth-enabling state. We are doing the opposite. We end up dealing with crises and spending huge amounts of money supporting people in a crisis situation rather than into much, much earlier intervention to a more positive outcome.”

Burnham agreed with the Milburn report that it was wrong that for every £25 spent on benefits for young people, only £1 was spent on employment support.

One of the things he would change, he said, would be to insist that government defence  procurement contracts would include social value, such as apprenticeships and work placements.

“To me the fact that Britain has not had a very strong intentional approach to British procurement is crazy. As Mayor of Greater Manchester, I have deliberately fought against the system to have our buses built in Falkirk and Ballymena. I see other contracts going off to China.”

Burnham’s remarks have caused wide concern amongst claimants that he may be ready to support wider cuts to benefits, although he failed to address the issue of the possible linking of PIP to work, alluded to in the Milburn report.

 

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    · 18 days ago
    After a significant amount of time with sustained and brutal cuts to services that supported people and mental health services I'm genuinely not surprised that we have a rising need for welfare.
    Combined with huge businesses financially undervaluing their employees and replacing people with machinery creating further need for welfare assistance.
    Then add onto that a rising pension age making it harder for those at each end of the age spectrum to get work, it's little wonder that there's more people in need of help.
    The error many politicians have made is to attribute the rise to laziness or greed, which is quite telling on them that it's the first thing they think happens. But this leaves us consistently ill-equipped to make changes if we're looking at the wrong source. 
    It's so exhausting to hear people speak about this issue in ways that are just simply not factual. I hope that if Burnham does gain any sort of power we can address this properly end empathetically. None of this PIP/work nonsense we've had so far or trying to emulate right wing parties. Actual solutions to things that are actual issues.
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    · 18 days ago
    Burnham has NOT said he would cut the amount of benefits paid or eligibility.  In fact, he broadly hinted against that. His idea is to stop people needing welfare in the first place, with in work support or support to get in work.  We don't know quite what that means, but something like companies working with employees to keep them in the workforce - even part time or working from home - if they become ill would make sense.  Likewise, the amount of young and healthy people who can't get a job is shocking, and would reduce the bill if that issue was tackled.  So would cutting NHS waiting lists.  Or making sure those who begin to get mental health conditions get treatment straight away rather than two years later, thus keeping them in work by looking after their health.
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      · 16 days ago
      @John E. His policy of early intervention would have a positive impact much sooner than a generation.  In fact, the positive results would be seen almost immediately.  If people can be helped early on to find a job they can work with and be happy with, if they are able, this will stop the massive rise in numbers claiming significantly, over the next few years.
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      · 17 days ago
      @John E. To be fair, I'm going by what he has said in the past rather than the present regarding benefits.
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      · 18 days ago
      @Slb I think he's doing what Starmer did to get elected. He is a centrist at best. To do even half of what is needed would take at least a generation to claw back some of the destruction caused by the Osbornomics austerity. labour will not be in power for long enough to enact any meaningful changes and we will be back to sweeping cuts to anyone Reform deems too weak to fight back and further destruction of the NHS. 

      I would rather he start with not being afraid to take on the unfair taxation system and take on the mega corporations and force them to pay a healthy rate of tax. Everything else would be much easier to enact, rather than not being afraid to reduce the welfare bill and increase defence spending

      I do however, really hope to be proven wrong
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    · 18 days ago
    No welfare system should force people who genuinely can't work into a situation which causes further damage to their health. The only people who can determine that are ourselves and the people trained in the specific disabilities that we have such as fully trained registered occupational therapists. These are the people HR department employ to decide whether you can return to work after or illness with a work capability assessment. I don't believe the DWP has ever employed any.
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      · 12 days ago
      @Celia LL We will have to see what happens with who will do what with welfare they will have to tread carefully. It's got to voluntary. But then if you volunteer the DWP might re assess you and find that if you can work you don't need UC health element or pip. It's a very delicate balance. 
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    · 18 days ago
    We're all talking about welfare cuts and increases in defense spending and, where and how the money is coming from for all of this.
    However, I notice that nobody is looking at the elephant in the room of raising extra income for the government, by properly taxing the mega companies like Amazon, Apple, Meta and the like. These companies are raking in billions in profits, and because the government is scared that they might take their business elsewhere, they lack the moral fibre to tax them properly, and get the income for the country, that they could then use for welfare, defence and the NHS, the things that this country are proud of, and need to fund fully. Just a thought 🤔 🤔 🤔 
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      · 15 days ago
      @Ann Longley I've also wondered both this and why they don't introduce a 1% wealth tax on those with £100million and above if they say it's not workable then they are LIARS

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      · 18 days ago
      @Ann Longley There's a recent petition by 38 degrees about getting the government to tax Amazon the correct rate for its profits. So you are thinking along the right lines. 
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    · 18 days ago
    From what I read, Andy Burnham said he was not interested in short term welfare cuts, such as have been proposed by labour recently.  He is interested in long term welfare reform, introducing measures over time to help people back into work and tackle reform that way. 

    Those are two completely different things.  When reforms are introduced slowly, they are much easier to cope with than say what Reform has in mind which is brutal and totally careless of vulnerable people at all.
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      · 18 days ago
      @axab43 Burnham is an advocate for welfare reform cutting welfare spending not for continuing with the current system. And saying he will not be squeamish he will cut welfare spending, and will increase defence spending. Is not an indication of wanting slow gradual change.

      He is not saying something completely different to what Labour currently says about welfare. He is just wording it the way Labour does when it is trying to make its current plans look nice.

      He supports the current Labour welfare plans. He strongly supports the Timms review. He supports the Milburn review and its suggestions so far into getting more young people off disability benefits and into education, training, employment. His support for the Fonagy review into overdiagnosis setup by his potential leadership rival Streeting is qualified. That the Fonagy review should not be used to take away or alter disability support without fixing the underlying system would trap people in poverty. That is without increasing help into work.

      When Burnham says he is for more support into work and against crude cuts and against short term cuts rather than simply saying he is against cuts. It appears to me it is so he can claim he never said he was against cuts that remove perverse incentives or increase fairness for claimants and hard working tax payers or are designed to save money to make welfare sustainable for the future. As long as they are combined with increased engagement with the DWP and increased help towards and into work and to stay in work.
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    · 18 days ago
    I don't think its Burnham we should worry about , Reform are obsessed with cutting the welfare bill and make no secret of it, they along with the Tories come across as if they want to exteriminte the sick and vulnerable,  only today Shadow works and pensions minister (I claim the most expenses if all MPs -Helen Whately)wants to set out a plan to overhaul the welfare system painting claimants as spongers and its a lifestyle choice, same with Badenoch she wants co-operation with Labour to slash the welfare bill 
    These are wicked people 
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    · 18 days ago
    What annoys me is there have already been cuts to UC for new disabled claimants amounting to around £2500 per year compared to existing claimants. I regularly message the radio station I listen to letting them know this and that further cuts will lead to more suffering and poverty for sick and disabled people. 
    No body ever listens though, and instead of crowing about this cut Labour are silent in the face of a constant barrage of demands to cut benefits to the bone and make us all work. My mental health has been irreparable damaged by dealings with DWP and I know I'm not alone and this constant drip drip drip is torture. 

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    · 18 days ago
    I hope that readers of this article realise that any reductions in welfare spending under Labour would be significantly less severe than those proposed by Reform! I fear that this news story may discourage people from voting for Burnham, even though his approach to benefits cuts is far less harsh than Reform's!
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      · 18 days ago
      @bronc Exactly this. The lesser of 2 evils is still bloody evil
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      · 18 days ago
      @bronc The problem with the UK over the last 50 years is we sold everything off.
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      · 18 days ago
      @Faith Voting for smaller cuts under Burnham is not the answer! We need to use our strength to campaign against all cuts to benefits. History reveals time and again that improvements in the lives of ordinary people have not been granted by benevolent politicians they have had to  be fought for. 
      Burnham has no solution to the structural crises of UK capitalism from low worker productivity to a chronic lack of investment in new technology by business/government. British capitalism has been in steady inexorable decline since WW2. No party, Labour or Tory, has come to grips with this accelerating decline. Instead both Labour and Tory have speeded up the decline by mass privatisation of essential industries and public services over recent decades. 
      The economic decline of the UK has to be put into a geo-political context where we see the US being eclipsed by China. Instead of trying to learn from China's economic miracle or try to attract Chinese investment we have UK politicians engaging in futile anti China rhetoric.
      Burnham is no different to the rest, he has no solutions whatsoever to this countries many grave socio-economic problems. The phrase of Einstein comes to mind when it comes to voting for establishment politicians like Burnham: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.''
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      · 18 days ago
      @Faith Agree Faith. IMHO: Andy Burnham would be best to back peddle as soon as possible. Or every single one of us - not just the disable on benefits - will be stuff. 
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    · 19 days ago
    Kemi Badenoch is obsessed with welfare cuts, as she parrots about welfare cuts every other day and nothing else!

    She's now saying that she's "pledging Conservative votes to help any Labour leader push through welfare cuts to increase defence spending"!
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    · 20 days ago
    So from Benefits and Work encouraging people to vote for Burnham in the 26 May article "Claimants votes will count in Makerfield byelection". To Benefits and Work telling people "Burnham’s remarks have caused wide concern amongst claimants that he may be ready to support wider cuts to benefits". From saviour to grim reaper in less than a month. Well at least most people who can vote in the by-election have not yet voted. Postal voters may however not be too pleased with Benefits and Work's last minute realization that Burnham is not a saviour. 
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      · 18 days ago
      @David Macfie Of course Burnham's statements and plans have been vague to date, simply because he hasn't even won the by-elections in Makerfield yet.

      Yep, Reform is the threat, and most of its supporters would be its prime victims, just like Brexit voters who have been hit the hardest, as both groups constitute among the poorest in the country. Brexit voters were blinded by narratives on immigration in the same way that Reform supporters are being fooled by the same narratives. Reform voters are no different from turkeys voting for Christmas or Thanksgiving.

      Andy Burnham any day.
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      · 18 days ago
      @John This is totally misleading.
      Firstly, not being squeamish about cuts is probsbly a good thing, otherwise the Labour party will continue with the tail wagging the dog.
      Backbenchers will have to get real.
      Secondly, B&W only have the information gleaned ftom Burnham's publicity officers. This will always be vague. Statements by Burnham have been thin on the ground, even this one is vague...
      Finally, in no way are B&W responsible for Burnham's lack of clarity at any time.
      And saviour or otherwise is immaterial.
      The alternative is blatantly anti benefits, be you old, disabled, SEND youngster, or single parent...
      REFORM are the threat, not Andy Burnham!!!
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      · 18 days ago
      @John Andy Burnham is infinitely better than Reform or any of the candidates.  He has said, as I quoted in my comment above, he is interested in long term welfare reforms, to get people get into work, not slashing benefits and short term welfare cuts, the way Labour and Reform/the Conservatives propose.   
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      · 18 days ago
      @Pupinski But this is neither a general election nor a mass local election but a by-election in a single constituency.

      As you seem to be motivated with sending a message by voting the Greens, then, trust me, I voted the Greens in May thinking, like you, to push Labour to pivot towards left - ZERO impact.

      By the way, make no mistake, the policies of the Greens as they stand will not attract a mass from the  "usual voters".
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      · 18 days ago
      @John Please don't get me wrong, I don't believe in Burnham at all; I've just hope.
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    · 20 days ago
    Hi Again Apologies to the Benefits and Work Team there is a brilliant Newspaper article with kind permission of the hard working Benefits and Works Team which seems to clarify the confusion re Burnham's attitude to the welfare bill. With again kind permission of the Benefits and Works Team it straightens out the comments made by Andy Burnham and may explain by what his policies are going forward. Again Apologies to you especially to all that contribute and to everyone at the brilliant  Benefits and Work Team . Thank you for your kindness and patience. 

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      · 18 days ago
      @A Polly Toynbee is a credible, authoritative journalist. So, a lot of it IMHO will be correct. But no one is accurate all the time. I once sat in a national online Rethink meeting connected to MH and welfare support. Ms Toynbee kept repeatedly talking about how those on ESA can do 16hrs paid work. They cannot. They can do - or could do - less than 16hrs or up to 15hrs and 59mins. On hitting 16hrs, they are forced into review. Now, you would think Ms Toynbee would know that and be more careful. Why? Someone who worked of the Guardian had very recently found themselves in that exact position much to the seemingly surprise of Guardian colleagues (perhaps slightly showing their arguably privileged backgrounds?). It was something along the lines of this: 


      As for Andy Burnham, I hope it won't be a re-run of the past. He was all for helping the super poor on benefits by not cutting them and enabling them in other ways. As soon as Labour got into power, he became very adamant and IMHO hard-hearted and reversed his opinion/approach. In some ways, perhaps saying clearly now that he has seemingly no intention of helping the disabled and super poor on health benefits at least stops any hope and saves on that big integrity gap.



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      · 19 days ago
      @A
      I agree with the Guardian that what Burnham has said is in accordance with current Labour government plans, the Milburn review.

      As for the Guardian's suggestion of ending the pensioners triple lock. Burnham has pledged to retain the pensioners triple lock. And says he is also looking at a tax cut for pensioners.
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    · 20 days ago
    Why do they complain about so many younger people being unemployed, then increase the retirement age which just increases younger person unemployment?  They should do a phased retirement starting from aged 50 , with those people directly training someone to replace them. Once ~ 2 years has been done,  they can then begin reducing hours with the younger person gradually being responsible for more. This is likely to reduce health problems due to over working and stress. A win for all involved.
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      · 18 days ago
      @Jagang That's a really good idea.
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      · 18 days ago
      @John I fully agree with John. Here's why:

      'There is no millionaire exodus. If you look at their published migration numbers going back to 2013, millionaire migration rates have consistently stood at less than 1% every year since then, both globally and nationally. So, what their data actually shows, taken at face value, is that millionaires are highly immobile,' - Mark Bou Mansour – Head of Comms – Tax Justice Network - The Guardian 11 July 2025

      We could raise £464 MILLION A WEEK with a 2% tax on the Super Rich - Tax Justice UK; Gary Stevenson, Phil White et al

      But instead, we squeeze blood out of the stone of the disabled.  It's a great distractor IMHO. Bread and circuses...
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      · 19 days ago
      @Jagang We have an ageing population demographics. So need more people in work to support the increasing number of pensioners. Now immigration has become unpopular. The only solution the government has is rasing the pension age and encouraging more working age people to work, and increasing taxes to support the elderly.

      What we need is a government which is willing to set the agenda rather than follow the right wing media and opinion polls. A government brave enough to champion more immigration and higher taxes at least on the rich. And policies designed to boost economic growth, borrowing to invest, re-joining the EU, whatever we can do to boost growth.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Jagang @Jagang That's a way too sensible and beautiful idea. If only. It's criminal flogging older workers on until they drop when there are young ones with no direction. So much good could come of putting your recommendation into practice.
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    · 20 days ago
    The problem with the lack of apprenticeship placements is they are given to workers who often already work for a company..... it portraits that the company has taken on new staff, when in actual fact, current often older staff who are offered higher education paid for by apprenticeship deals. The apprenticeship system.......  Should be 17years to 24 years,  and majority should go to new members of staff , not just (neets) but not all youngsters are in safe, steady and reliable employment but are excluded because they have a zero hour contract and are actually trying to do well this just means kids who try to work, get 2 kicks in the teeth and not 1.  In days gone by you did youth training or college  or university if you were bright, the school leavers these days don't even see a careers officer unless a (send) is in place . They have this all wrong then the have the absolute cheek to publicy shame these kids who haven't been given a chance.... and all by Mp's who went to uni for free no finance then call all young folk , lazy and workshy and worse, they need to support our future generation not pound them into the ground and actually help. The next generation is desperate for work, its not from lack of trying, its from zero investment and support and next to no apprenticeships they need to be honest how many apprenticeships actually go to school and college levers not shame them.
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      · 18 days ago
      @Fiona Thank you, Fiona, for letting us know this. I had no idea. It all sounds about right. I am aware of an adult who came to the end of their apprenticeship and then had to do another one whilst the old company found another apprentice... it's a revolving door. 
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    · 20 days ago
    Another thing we have to be really careful about is it apprenticeships can look like a panacea. In reality what can happen is employers take on one apprentice after another when it would’ve been a full-time permanent job for somebody. A sort of revolving door. So what will be done to stop that happening? 
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    · 20 days ago
    I don’t think there’s anything wrong per se in supporting any disabled person who wants to go into work or remain of course in work. Of course the employment and support allowance allowed for that. You know that thing we got rid of. It allowed the 15 hours and 59 minutes of work for a certain way to pay for the disabled if and when they felt well enough to do it. They already undertook that kind of thing with fear because they would assume I’m not wrongly so it could get used against them. So their actions were already ones that were courageous and practical. We also have to be careful not to conflate good health with being in work. In fact, in my experience, what could’ve helped me stay in work was a proper union rep that would’ve stopped the exploitation in the first place. And a better housing situation if the council had been able to be contacted without me feeling that there will be a drop in the value of my property. And of course racism. And no suitable mental health provision for the educated. It’s a real problem of Intersectionality. Tinkering non-stop with health benefits will not address that issue or the massive economic black hole. In my honest opinion, only typed in the super Rich that 2%, that some of them are begging us to do before it all comes down like a pack of cards, is a potential solution. This overfocus on the super Paul with so little focus on the super Rich is what’s been going on since time memorial. I think we’re all aware of Andy Burnham‘s living well in Manchester and the increased rollout of neighbourhood mental health centres in England. But for real sustainability, not resilience, we need to be genuinely listening to those on the Cole face and then actioning those insights. Anything else it’s vanity and damaging and certainly not sustainable. 
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      · 18 days ago
      @Truth teller Sadly under successive Labour governments the privatisation of the NHS has been speeded up and Burnham will do nothing to stop this process which is destroying the NHS and costing people's lives. Hundreds are dying in corridors each month waiting for essential treatment. Last year over 5,000 died due to long A&E waits. None of the parties : Labour , Tory or Reform have a plan for addressing this as they all believe in yet more privatisation of the NHS.  None of this will change if Burnham takes over as Labour leader. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Truth teller You are referring to what was called permitted work and still claim benefits Sir.