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There is an increasing amount of evidence about the Green Paper proposals being published, some by choice by the DWP and some being obtained by MPs and campaigners.

On the Pathways to Work Green Paper consultation page the DWP has published evidence packs relating to the first four chapters of the Green paper with a pdf file and a spreadsheet setting out evidence the DWP considers supports its case.

Pathways to Work: Evidence pack: Chapter 1 case for change evidence  (pdf)

Pathways to Work: Evidence pack: Chapter 1 case for change evidence  (spreadsheet)

Pathways to Work: Evidence pack: Chapter 2 reforming the structure  (pdf)

Pathways to Work: Evidence pack: Chapter 2 reforming the structure (spreadsheet)

Pathways to Work: Evidence pack: Chapter 3 supporting people to thrive  (pdf)

Pathways to Work: Evidence pack: Chapter 3 supporting people to thrive  (spreadsheet)

Elsewhere, a Freedom of Information Act request by Sharon Walters has revealed details of the ages of PIP claimants who do not score 4 points or more in any daily living activity.

Age

band

Number of standard daily living claimants with no 4 points

Percentage  of standard daily living claimants with no 4 points

Number of enhanced daily living claimants with no 4 points

Percentage of enhanced daily living claimants with no 4 points

16-19

9,000

45%

2,000

1%

20-29

80,000

74%

12,000

4%

30-39

168,000

85%

28,000

11%

40-49

227,000

89%

41,000

15%

50-59

361,000

90%

69,000

18%

60+

559,000

91%

102,000

19,%

Total

1,404,000

  

254,000

  
         

And a written parliamentary answer by DWP disability minister Stephen Timms provides a spreadsheet which lists the number of people who receive the daily living component of PIP without scoring 4 points or more.  The spreadsheet looks at claimants by Westminster constituency and by local authority figures you could share both with your MP and with local media.

It shows a very wide variation by constituency with 36% of claimants in Sheffield Hallam scoring fewer than 4 points compared to 52% in Boston and Skegness.

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    MATT
    · 4 days ago
    Does anyone know when the vote is going to take place in June?
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      Anniesmum
      · 4 days ago
      @MATT 7th June I think. 
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    Lill
    · 5 days ago
    Starmer faces rebellion of 130 Labour MPs over benefits cuts the telegraph headline today abit  confused as don't know what's what don't listen to the media much lots is flying around .
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    SLB
    · 5 days ago
    I have some good news!  Yes, you did read that right.  Last week, I emailed my MP about the virtual meeting for the green paper consultationthat a load of us got shut out of.  I then sent a revised letter of that email on a whim to the Work and Pensions Committee.  That email was as follows (I'm putting it bold so people know where it starts and ends):

    To whom it may concern,

    I don't know if you can help in this matter. The following is an edited version of a letter I sent today to my MP, Clive Lewis. I don't know if the committee can help, but I at least feel that information on this issue should be made available to you. If you can't help in this matter, I'm wondering if you know who I could make a complaint to.

    The consultation for the green paper dealing with changes to disability benefits is currently taking place. There are meetings both in person and online as part of this. Yesterday (May 6th) was due to be the first of the virtual meetings, dealing with chapter 2 of the green paper. I had a ticket.

    Last week, on May 1st at 15.44 an email was received by all participants, sent from events.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk. But there was a problem. The "to" section of the email revealed the email addresses of ALL participants - both individuals and those from organisations and charities. I sent an email back raising the issue. No apology was issued, despite this being a significant data breach. On May 2nd, we received another email with a new set of login information and instructions on joining the meeting on Tuesday 6th May at 10am.

    On the day of the meetingI tried to log in, but with no success. I emailed the organisers, but received no reply. There were 26 individuals due to take part in the meeting. I can confirm that no fewer than 13 of us were denied access to the meeting. The true number might be more. That's 50% of the disabled people wanting to discuss the issues raised in chapter 2 did not get the chance to do that, meaning if the meeting did go ahead (I have not heard of anyone who actually got into the meeting), we were not sufficiently represented.

    I have contacted the organisers, asking that the meeting be rescheduled so we can take our rightful place in the discussion that we had tickets for. I have not heard anything back from them, and frankly don't expect to. The data breach was bad enough - being denied entry into the meeting itself is even worse and makes a complete mockery of the idea of events being organised to get feedback on the proposals.

    The events.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk email address (the only way of contacting them we have) appears to follow no quality standards, and if they were going to reply, they would likely have done so by now. But I believe they need to be held to account. Even if the meeting I and a dozen others were meant to attend yesterday is not rescheduled, surely someone needs to make sure that the others in the future are dealt with more professionally and that the DWP and organisers are held to account.

    Best wishes


    Well, this morning, I got a reply, which reads as follows:


    Thank you for your email.

    The role of the Work and Pensions Committee is to scrutinise the work of the Department for Work and Pensions, it’s agencies and arms-length bodies. It’s not within the Committee’s remit to get involved in individual cases but we do appreciate you making us aware of this situation.

    On the 3rd April, the Committee launched an inquiry into Get Britain Working: Pathways to Work. The purpose of the inquiry is to examine the impact of the Government’s proposals to reform the health-related benefits system, as set out in the Pathways to Work Green Paper.

    The information you have given us is very useful background information for our inquiry and, if it’s ok with you, we would like to submit your email as written evidence to the inquiry. This will then help inform our recommendations to the Department once the inquiry has concluded.

    Please be aware, if your email is submitted as written evidence, it will be published on our website. You do have the option to submit it anonymously. If you choose to do this, we will remove your name from the evidence, as well as any identifying text.

    I look forward to hearing back from you.

    Kind regards...

    At least we know that the email got through, was read, and deemed significant enough to be used as evidence.  I'll take that as a win!
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      David
      · 1 days ago
      @SLB

      What was the email address of the work and pensions committee you sent it to on a whim please? 

      I have something important about the proposals I would like to send to them as well.

      Thanks
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      CaroA
      · 5 days ago
      @SLB Yes well done excellent work! ❤️
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      MunchyFox
      · 5 days ago
      @SLB well done Clive and thankyou. 
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      Jane
      · 5 days ago
      @SLB Well done! Clive is one of the few MPs openly saying he is against the cuts so hopefully he will be able to use your email to inform his stance too
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      SLB
      · 5 days ago
      @rtbcpart 2 They already have a previous email which I have sent them which, again, was passed on to the committee and added to the evidence of the inquiry.  I think, bearing that in mind, I might be best to not email them further, as becoming a nuisance is probably not a good look!
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    Yorkie Bard
    · 5 days ago
    It won't be long before the decision makers are replaced!

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    Yorkie Bard
    · 5 days ago
    Food for thought!

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      pollenpath
      · 5 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard Sadly, as predicted, the subtext to Abrahams' comments appears to be that the select committee isn't challenging the worst aspects of the proposed changes to benefits. The DWP's definition of 'vulnerable' going forward promises to be a shadow of what it has meant for the majority of PIP and LCWRA claimants in the last 15 years. 
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    keepingitreal
    · 5 days ago
    Btw,@SIb, you don't have stupid ideas. 
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    keepingitreal
    · 5 days ago
    @Slb, re mps not understanding the system: they do not, and cannot. Even with first hand experience of the area of welfare that affects us it's a challenge for us to make the best of it, understand how one thing affects another and keep up with all the updates so we can "change our
    behaviour", ha ha, to get what we are entitled to, and we often need help from experts and advisers.

    In the first instance we need mps to take on board the harm that would be done by welfare cuts, to sympathise with our situations. Some mps have done this, more are doing so. Ideally, we then have to educate them in the detail, in cases or scenarios we do understand, illustrating exactly what would be lost by a claimant in a given situation. This is where it is so important for each of us to contact our mps and explain exactly how we and those we know are affected.

    Every one of us needs to tell our mp directly how we would be affected, so the bigger picture emerges as to how diversely damaging the cuts would be.

    This green paper is flawed from top to bottom, reflecting the lack of understanding of welfare which is confusing so many, which is why it should have been thoroughly researched before it was published. I don't think it is helpful to set one area of entitlement against another. IT ALL NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.

    Social media is an effective way of dispersing a message to many people, but we must be careful not to confuse the picture further with a scatter gun approach.

    Our immediate mission is to stop the implementation of the green paper. Ultimately we want to force informed and inclusive debate on welfare reform, to stop recurring attacks on our support from ignorant and incompetent government.
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    Mick
    · 5 days ago
    Tried to post this last night but it hasn't showed up so I don't know if the moderators stopped it or if it just got lost in the ether.

    Another protest happening:

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    keepingitreal
    · 5 days ago
    I posted about the growing labour rebellion earlier, seems to have got lost. Ties in with your comments, @Slb, and highlights the importance of how other parties vote

    "if all opposition parties vote against the plans, only 83 Labour MPs need to vote against the government to defeat the legislation"

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-14/almost-50-mps-to-rebel-over-welfare-cuts-as-labour-revolt-grows&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj9y8WdmqSNAxWTUUEAHc6PBT0Q0PADegQICRAD&usg=AOvVaw3EvYGFzGeKgJ2JCcMImRqs
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    Slb
    · 6 days ago
    OK.  Bear with me, I'm thinking aloud.  If 100 labour mps have signed a letter saying they are concerned about cuts to lcwra for new claimants, this would suggest they don't fully understand the system.  If we could just get through to two or three of them about the real price of pip eligibility changes, they might spread the word to the others.  

    I'm happy to give Musk a few pounds to get premium x for a month or two, which allows posts of 25,000 characters.  That's enough to write a detailed post AND tag 50 Labour MP in one post (the maximum you can include) .  So it would be a case of doing it 7 times.  

    BUT there's no directory of Labour MPs x handles.  And there's 360 of them to look up!.  Would some of you be willing to take a chunk of the alphabet and look their x accounts on google up so we can compile a list together  that I can then copy and paste?  

    It's 3am and it might be the most stupid idea I've ever had, but those 100 MPs are clearly vulnerable.  That might mean others are too.  Besides, it Ed Davey can win 70 seats by pulling stunts each day, perhaps doing our own might work for us too?
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      Mick
      · 5 days ago
      @keepingitreal My local MP is Lib Dem, Andrew George.  I don't know what his stance is on the green paper and cuts.  I believe he will be against but I think I will send him an email and see what he says.
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      Anon
      · 5 days ago
      @Slb We love you, SLB. Brilliant thinking! 
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      keepingitreal
      · 5 days ago
      @Mick @Mick, you must contact your mp with your information. Try to get to an mp surgery if you can. They need to know how far reaching the damage will be, and how much they have not considered.
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      WorkshyLayabout
      · 5 days ago
      @SLB My 🤦 comment was posting at the same time your comment appeared. Anyway I'm logging out. Have others things to do.
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      WorkshyLayabout
      · 5 days ago
      @SLB 🤦

      I provided some of what you asked for, not what you didn't ask for.
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    Slb
    · 6 days ago
    Two bits of news.  Firstly, Gordon Brown has apparently voiced his concerns about the cuts.  Also a hundred Labour MPs have signed a letter saying they are concerned about cutting the LCWRA rate for new claimants.  According to the Times this is mostly a different group of MPs to the ones who signed the other letter last week. 

     However, for me it suggests that MPs don't actually understand the system, because under the new rules virtually no-one will get the LCWRA rate anyway, so that's not what they should be concentrating on.  A smallish amount of people not getting £200 a month they didn't have in the first place is very different to a large group of people losing £700 or more.  Somehow, we have to educate.  It's our only hope.  But how??

    Either way, as the Times points out, if the two groups of MPs that have written letters join forces, Labour could lose the vote.  They only need 85 or so for that to happen - but only if other parties vote against.
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      Anon
      · 5 days ago
      @Slb Exactly!! On point as always SLB.

      They should be focusing on the changes that disenfranchise everybody from LCWRA, rather than the cut in amount for new claimants - most of whom won't even be eligible and will get nothing.

      These green paper changes are complex and were probably designed by AI in a way that would be difficult to understand for the typical person without lengthy reading and thinking. MPs need educating on the MOST DAMAGING PROPOSED CHANGES of the reforms.

      Salute to you SLB. Thank you
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    keepingitreal
    · 6 days ago
    The dissent is growing, according to itv

    "if all opposition parties vote against the plans, only 83 Labour MPs need to vote against the government to defeat the legislation"

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-14/almost-50-mps-to-rebel-over-welfare-cuts-as-labour-revolt-grows&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj9y8WdmqSNAxWTUUEAHc6PBT0Q0PADegQICRAD&usg=AOvVaw3EvYGFzGeKgJ2JCcMImRqs
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    Andrea
    · 6 days ago

    We need all these facts & data put up on billboards & banners everywhere so the public know exactly what will happen. 

    Reminds me of the book the ragged trousered philanthropist, what was written then is still happening now.

    There won't be a welfare state on 20 years time. If there is it'll be just like it is in America.
    People will end up homeless, we'll have trailer parks where all the poor live, just like they do over there, there'll be ghettos all over the country.


    Kendal & company will never know what's is like to be poor, that's why everything falls on deaf ears. If they won't listen to their own MPs who are against all this then we  got no chance of them taking any notice of us.


    But we will keep up the fight because we have to we're fighting for our lives.

    I wish good blessings to you all 










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      s
      · 6 days ago
      @Andrea Andrea your literary choice , was the most haunting tome I ever read .
        Be well lady be well 
      .... from ....   s ..  
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    Gingin
    · 6 days ago
    This came up on Bluesky and I thought it might be of interest 

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pip_appeals_2023_2024_overturned


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      Sam
      · 6 days ago
      @Gingin Some one should ask how much all those appeals cost the dwp. Maybe actually having a fair assessment in the first place would save them money! And no I have no faith in Timms and his reforming the assessment making that percentage any lower.

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    Gingin
    · 6 days ago
    Disabled people are put at risk by the Assisted Dying legislation and will be even more at risk if these welfare proposals pass into law 



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    rookie
    · 6 days ago

    What is the stance of the other parties on the green paper, do we know?

    Would it be possible for those of us with mps who are not Labour to ask them how they (and their party) would vote?
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    clearwater
    · 6 days ago
    LABOUR are not to be TRUSTED, 

    Interesting... if you total the 16-19 yo & 20-29yo DL + EDL = 103,000 out of a total of all ages 1,658,000 = 6.20% remembering those two groups are for 14years group ie 16-29yo.

    The press, MP,s are suggesting some huge vastly inflated numbers, giving a dreadful picture,

    Yes we know there has been an increase, but to my mind that has been since Co-vid which affected entire population/s everywhere and only now do we realize the enormous impact it had/has still.

    At the end of the day there is some serious deliberate manipulating/massaging going on.

    Also the 60+ in the main will not all be dashing off to find a job.

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    Dee
    · 7 days ago
    i hate the Labour Party.
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      Edwards
      · 5 days ago
      @Old Mother It won't do any good, they are all against us except maybe the greens and there's no chance they could help us out
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      Old Mother
      · 6 days ago
      @Dee Vote them out.
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    SLB
    · 7 days ago
    Reading this interview and watching it riles me so much.  NOT because of what Stephen Timms says, and the lies he repeats (we're used to that), but the utter incapability of the journalist to expose him for the liar he is.  ITV News (and most other news outlets) shouldn't be Timms's mouthpiece, they should be CHALLENGING him.  He repeats the same lines over and over about the cuts being a way to get people into work, and yet I still haven't heard anyone in the media ask him just how cutting PIP results in that.   

    We have such a crap load of journalists and interviewers at the moment in the mainstream media (apologies to the few that are actually good at their job).  The government would never have got away with this a few decades ago.  I was watching some of the series on SKy about David Frost this week.  He would have DECIMATED someone like Timms in an interview.  As would Brian Walden or even Paxman.  Now we have weak interviewers like Laura Kuennsberg and Jo Coburn pretending that they're actually good at their job by trying to score points by interrupting their guests and repeating the same questions over and over again.   They need to learn to LISTEN to the answers and then ask the RIGHT question to expose the politicians lies.   They seem utterly incapable of going off-script.  I find it SO frustrating.  Give some of us five minutes of interview time with Timms and we'd pull him apart. 

    Sorry for the rant, but inadequate journalists are ENABLING the benefit cuts by not doing their job.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-13/disability-benefit-cuts-definitely-going-ahead-minister-insists
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      s
      · 6 days ago
      @(No) hope ( No) Hope..... been a long time sir ! 
      Your rhetoric Is & always shall be pure poetry .. 
      Best wishes to yourself and your bestest bestest lady wife .
      You keep on keeping on sir , that is an order young man xx 
      From   ...   s ..  p.s. I really mean that xx to you both !!!!!!!!!!
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      Elizabeth Vidler
      · 6 days ago
      @MATT Robin Day may have been a good journalist, I reserve judgement on that, but it was a shame he was never more open about his own son's disability, he had epilepsy and brain damage after a fall,I met him at an epilepsy support group I attended where he was accompanied by his carer.
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      (No) hope
      · 6 days ago
      @SLB Beth rigby from sky is quite formidable, as is Anushka Asthana from itv. I’d love to see Timms get grilled by either of these, rather than the usual kissasses 
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      MATT
      · 6 days ago
      @SLB Sadly, Robin Day is no longer with us, and Jeremy Paxman is clearly very ill. The modern equivalents are almost as bad as the politicians they interview - and many end as comms people for politicians in the end.  It's a symbiotic relationship.
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      Frances
      · 6 days ago
      @SLB Totes agree, @SLB. Use your persuasive powers and get in touch with Emma Barnett.
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    Lill
    · 7 days ago
    Tims looked awkward in the interview with itv he is concerned behind that front  he put on can see it he gaslighting the MPs and public but won't last .
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      James
      · 7 days ago
      @Lill How do you know it wont last? ! 
      They can get away with murder, we know that already!

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