One of the major issues with the Pathways to Work Green paper is the number of questions it leaves unanswered.  But now, with the government’s hastily created “concessions”, things are even more unclear.  Especially whether the concessions mean current claimants are permanently protected or have just been granted a temporary reprieve.

Below are a number of questions, some of which you might want to ask your MP before Tuesday’s vote, because they should be clear what they are voting for.  Or you may have others you want to ask.  The important thing is to keep reminding MPs that there is still the option of voting to scrap the bill on Tuesday, regardless of any concessions offered.

But do bear in mind that many Labour MPs who signed the amendment have said they are still going to vote against the bill, as will many opposition MPs, so your MP may still be an ally.

In her letter to Labour MPs Liz Kendall writes: “Therefore, we will ensure that all of those currently receiving Pip will stay within the current system. The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.”

This implies that current claimants will not be protected from the results of the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, due to make changes to PIP eligibility criteria in 2028.  Given that the governments overriding concern is to halt the rising cost of disability benefits, the review can only result in a tightening of eligibility criteria – quite possibly including retaining the four-point rule .  So, this concession may be no more than a short reprieve for current claimants.

Q.  Will existing PIP claimants stay on the current test for life or be subject to the new criteria created by the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, to be completed in 2028?

Many thousands of adult DLA claimants are still waiting to be reassessed for PIP through no fault of their own.  If things had run to the original timetable they would by now be PIP claimants and protected from the 4-point rule.

Q. If current adult DLA claimants, awaiting reassessment for PIP for many years, are finally dealt with after November 2026 will they be assessed under the current rules or the new 4-point rules?

Kendall writes “. . . we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element . . . have their incomes fully protected in real terms.”

How long does this protection last? 

Q. Around 600,000 current UC health element claimants do not receive an award of the PIP daily living component.  When the WCA is abolished in 2028  and receipt of PIP daily living becomes the qualifying criteria for UC health element, will they continue to have their income protected?  Or is the protection only temporary?

If your MP is one of the Labour rebels, they may be considering withdrawing their name form the amendment, as a number have already said they will.

Q  If you are considering withdrawing your name from the reasoned amendment, does this mean that you are resigned to many thousands of future claimants being plunged into poverty, even though you think it is wrong for current claimants?

Kendall writes in relation to the review of PIP assessment criteria: “At the heart of this review will be coproduction with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and MPs so their views and voices are heard.”

Q.  If it’s important that the views and voices of disabled people are heard in respect of future changes, why are their voices not important in relation to the enormous changes in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill?

Q.  If the main aim of the government is to put disability benefits on what they view as a sustainable footing, by cutting the rise in costs considerably, what possibility is there of disabled people genuinely being listened to as PIP criteria are rewritten?

Q.  The PIP  four-point rule does not come into effect until November 2026, almost a year and a half away.  So why is it so important to get the legislation through the Commons in the next two weeks, without consulting on it?

Q.  Given that there are so many unanswered questions about the proposed reforms, and that the government is already going to have to find £3bn to fund their concessions, would it not be wiser to scrap the whole Green Paper process and start again in genuine coproduction with disabled people?

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    · 1 months ago
    My sense is that this may have a significant impact on the tribunal process, and therefore our chances of a successful outcome - and I might be misunderstanding -

    The ‘arbitrary decision-making’ clause is still in there. So we will not be able to use other people’s wins as Case Law.

    @Gingin - any thoughts who would be the person in government to run this by?
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    · 1 months ago
    I posted a comment yesterday but it hasn't appeared. I can't imagine any of it was against rules so wondering if just a glitch? 

    Anyway, other that emailing my MP what other constructive action could I take over the weekend? 
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    · 1 months ago
    There is nothing here really other that the government have tricked us disabled people to accept the current status quo which still is an abhorrently damaging to all disabled folk as the assessors can and still do lie during assessments, no one really understands what a refusal of benefits through lying can do to ones already considerably damaged psyche, say mental health for instance, most anxiety comes from a lack of trust, so the DWP logic is lets try and earn their trust by lying about them, again, how on earth is one with trust issues supposed to deal with that.

    Who is to say that assessors won't use the four point system over the two point because we are never allowed to scrutinize their work, we all know how thoroughly vindictive the lying assessors are.

    Complaints go nowhere, Crapita investigate themselves and of course find themselfs not to be in the wrong, the complaints people won't even investigate if you have a recording, I sent them a recording of my last assessment where the assessor lied(told the exact opposite of what I actually said), they said the had no facility to listen to the recording, oh and the said they sent it back to me via recorded mail, yes they did send me an empty envelope via recorded delivery.

    At which point do we consider this kind of behavior as domestic abuse, how can we ever stop this kind of crap from happening
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    · 1 months ago
    Good Morning ,
    I have just copied and pasted your question and i have sent them to my local mp .

    I will let you know if i get a response from her 

    best wishes to everyone .
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    · 1 months ago
    📞 Telephone: 020 7219 3000
    (That’s the main number for the UK Parliament switchboard.)

    I hope this gets published people could telephone and leave a message for their MP over the next few days too.  
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    · 1 months ago
    Thanks Sara for your much appreciated message you asked what we could do quickly before the vote. Just to say this was said to a BBC journalist:

    "Clearly some at least will have been pacified by the concessions but there are still very significant numbers" of opponents, a third MP texts, adding "it shouldn't be underestimated the potential effect of a weekend of emails from constituents, constituency surgeries etc". 

    Please can everyone email their MP or. 
    (That’s the main number for the UK Parliament switchboard.)
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      · 1 months ago
      @sara Absolutely thanks Sara. A friend just said it is amazing to see you all not taking this lying down -which I thought was ironic because so many of us are not taking it whilst lying down!
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      · 1 months ago
      @CaroA Thank you, @CaroA, I'm hoping the initial reports of rebels being won over were maybe reflecting some mps settling for something out of exhaustion, but we'll all just have to raise our game, again!
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    · 1 months ago
    No disabled people’s organisation across the whole of the UK has welcomed these concessions because we know the complexities of the social security system and bitter experience from years of cuts that there are many ways in which grand sweeping statements about protections translate to very little in practice when you go into the detail of it.

    Ellen Clifford
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      · 1 months ago
      @HL Yes, and mps need to get into the detail of it in so little time. It can't go ahead with such scant scrutiny.
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    · 1 months ago
    Thank you. You answered my question, as to when the "ministerial review" would be likely to be  completed and the changes brought in. I have my next assessment 2027 and retire late 2029. It sounds as if hopefully I might escape the ministerial review affects. Very confusing for those who won't though.
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    · 1 months ago
    @Gingin, Does the pm ever stand by anything he does or says? According to that BBC article

    "Sir Keir said he was too gloomy last summer and he regretted saying "the damage" done to the country by immigration in recent years "is incalculable". He also said that his remark that immigration risked turning the UK into an "island of strangers" was a mistake, and repudiates much else of the political strategy of his first year in office."

    What we don't want are regrets too late, after the damage done following any of the current welfare proposals becoming law. As Debbie Abrahams has said:

    "It would not be right...not to do anything just to spare the prime minister an inconvenience".
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    · 1 months ago
    Anyone seen this article? Basically it says timms is on record agreeing there is no out of control spending as claimed.

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      · 1 months ago
      @Dee Yes it’s terrible! I wish the wide stream media know this as they keep parroting how it’s out of control! 
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    · 1 months ago
    The message of this article is that we need to be emailing MPs a lot this weekend!!!
    Debbie Abrahams, the Labour MP who chairs the Work and Pensions Select Committee, told the BBC: "The concessions are a good start, they are very good concessions and they will protect existing claimants. However there are still concerns about new claimants. It would not be right for me not to do anything just to spare the prime minister an inconvenience."
    In other words, she does not appear won over yet.

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      · 1 months ago
      @Gingin Agreed. I really hope there is time for mps to realise the latest concessions are just continuing the same careless muddle of the original proposals and that those mps will succeed with a new amendment and/or stick to voting against the bill.

      "it shouldn't be underestimated the potential effect of a weekend of emails from constituents, constituency surgeries etc."

      Let's add to those!
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    · 1 months ago
    As I've just read somewhere else (Raymond James on a Peter Stefanovic post) these concessions may violate the Equality Act 2010.

    If there are 2 people with identical disabilities, financial needs, and circumstances. The only difference? One applied for support yesterday and the other today. Under the new regime the second person is subject to harsher sanctions solely because they are new. Same need. Same Impairment. Same vulnerability. But different treatment. 

    It's surely potentially indirect discrimination? The law prohibits policies that disadvantage disabled people unless they are clearly justified. (Convenience for the Treasury doesn't cut it!).

    Plus, duty to make reasonable adjustments?

    Unless the distinction can be objectively justified, it risks falling foul of the very protections that disabled people rely on to ensure fair treatment. 

    Food for thought...
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      · 1 months ago
      @Slb Hi, you make a valid point - I became I’ll in 2018 and was assessed to have LCW but with no top up to UC. It was so hard to survive on basic UC. It seemed so unfair that depending on when you became I’ll determined 
      if you were worthy of an uplift in benefit or be penalised. The concessions now being made by the DWP are just to quell the backlash and not to implement a fairer system as the government claim!

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      · 1 months ago
      @Tracy Numb This isn't anything new.  People in the LCW group of UC before 2017 got extra money for being in the group, but new claimants from 2017 onwards didn't.  Existing claimants continued to receive that money.
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    · 1 months ago
    The devil is in the detail. This is what needs to be asked before the vote on Tuesday 
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    · 1 months ago
    From Angela raynor’s tweeter feed:

    No one battling terminal illness should have to face extra stress and worry over their job security.

    It's vital that employees with a terminal diagnosis are treated sensitively and with the best support – that’s why I’m so proud we are backing this charter.

    #DyingToWork


    Are starmers scriptwriters trying to damage her chances as being seen as Keir starmers replacement

    Or is she just this daft and insensitive 

    A truly disgusting tweet
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      · 1 months ago
      @D The Dying To Work campaign is about 10 years old and Rayner's announcement is that the civil service has now signed the charter. This mean civil service employees, like those of any employer/ organisation that has signed, cannot be fired due to a terminal illness (so they have the choice to work with support if they want) or discriminated against if able to return to work at any point afterwards. So it's actually a good thing- it recognises that many wouldn't want to/ be able to work but guarantees protection if you do want to.

      See https://www.dyingtowork.co.uk/the-campaign/ 

      I agree that this really needed a lot more explaining, especially in light of the fact that people would think of the recent Assisted Dying and Benefits bills instead of the actual campaign.

      Incredibly ill-judged and I would say the timing borders on insensitive.
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      · 1 months ago
      @D Not going to lie that hashtag is so unbelievably badly timed I laughed
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    · 1 months ago
    this is the letter I wrote to my mp, using the questions above and asking one of my own.  "Dear Jack Abbott:

    I am a constituent, and am disabled. I have written to you many times regarding the welfare reforms Labour want to bring in. after the concessions to avert a defeat on Tuesday, I would be grateful if you could please ask the government these questions.
    From Benefits and work, www.benefitsandwork.co.uk plus one concern from myself too, though I would like answers to all benefits and work’s concerns also.
    “Questions the government needs to answer – and MPs need to ask
    Published: 27 June 2025
    One of the major issues with the Pathways to Work Green paper is the number of questions it leaves unanswered. But now, with the government’s hastily created “concessions”, things are even more unclear. Especially whether the concessions mean current claimants are permanently protected or have just been granted a temporary reprieve.
    Below are a number of questions, some of which you might want to ask your MP before Tuesday’s vote, because they should be clear what they are voting for.
    In her letter to Labour MPs Liz Kendall writes: “Therefore, we will ensure that all of those currently receiving Pip will stay within the current system. The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.”
    This implies that current claimants will not be protected from the results of the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, due to make changes to PIP eligibility criteria in 2028. Given that the governments overriding concern is to halt the rising cost of disability benefits, the review can only result in a tightening of eligibility criteria – quite possibly including retaining the four-point rule . So, this concession may be no more than a short reprieve for current claimants.


    Q. Will existing PIP claimants stay on the current test for life or be subject to the new criteria created by the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, to be completed in 2028?
    Many thousands of adult DLA claimants are still waiting to be reassessed for PIP through no fault of their own. If things had run to the original timetable they would by now be PIP claimants and protected from the 4-point rule.

    Q. If current adult DLA claimants, awaiting reassessment for PIP for many years, are finally dealt with after November 2026 will they be assessed under the current rules or the new 4-point rules?
    Kendall writes “. . . we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element . . . have their incomes fully protected in real terms.”
    How long does this protection last?

    Q. Around 600,000 current UC health element claimants do not receive an award of the PIP daily living component. When the WCA is abolished in 2028 and receipt of PIP daily living becomes the qualifying criteria for UC health element, will they continue to have their income protected? Or is the protection only temporary?

    Kendall writes in relation to the review of PIP assessment criteria: “At the heart of this review will be coproduction with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and MPs so their views and voices are heard.”

    Q. If it’s important that the views and voices of disabled people are heard in respect of future changes, why are their voices not important in relation to the enormous changes in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill?

    Q. If the main aim of the government is to put disability benefits on what they view as a sustainable footing, by cutting the rise in costs considerably, what possibility is there of disabled people genuinely being listened to as PIP criteria are rewritten?

    Q. The PIP four-point rule does not come into effect until November 2026, almost a year and a half away. So why is it so important to get the legislation through the Commons in the next two weeks, without consulting on it? “

    My question adding to beneifits and work’s, How will leggacy beneifits claiments migrating via managed migration over from ESA income based to UC be treated? As new claiments so get a lower amount, or as or existing claiments on managed migration so their transitional protections are respected?

    “Q. Given that there are so many unanswered questions about the proposed reforms, and that the government is already going to have to find £3bn to fund their consessions, would it not be better to scrap the green paper and redraw it with full involvement and consultation with disabled people?”
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    · 1 months ago
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    · 1 months ago
    Well done mps you have let keir starmer and Liz Kendall get what they want now. You had them where you wanted them on the floor and now they are up. The amendment should have gone ahead and the bill scrapped or at least paused and disabled people and charities should have worked with government to get a proper reform and not a cruel one . 
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    · 1 months ago
    We still don’t have a definitive answer on the continuation of the Support Group for those of us on New Style ESA ( contributions based.) Also, l strongly suspect they will push ahead with means testing PIP but are not saying it yet because they want to get their bill passed. This government have constantly given with one hand and taken back with another. You only have to look at the Winter fuel fiasco to confirm that 
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    · 1 months ago
    Rebel MPs will try to lay new amendment on Monday giving colleagues a chance to delay bill despite No 10 concessions

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/27/a-negotiated-dogs-dinner-starmer-faces-second-revolt-over-welfare-bill-concessions
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      · 1 months ago
      @Gingin Thanks Gingin, you're a ruddy dtaty
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      · 1 months ago
      @Neil Cook No but we all have to do everything we can. As in a headline BBC report today: "it shouldn't be underestimated the potential effect of a weekend of emails from constituents, constituency surgeries etc."
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      · 1 months ago
      @Gingin So we haven't lost out just yet then?
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    · 1 months ago
    Diana Abbott says rumours of the rebellion being dead are exaggerated and there still seem to be a good number of MPs against.

    Keep writing to MPs about how these concessions are not good enough.

    Also petition the Speaker not to let the bill escape full scrutiny by being certified as a money bill:

    To Rt Hon Sir Lindsay Hoyle

    I am writing to ask that the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill is not certified as a Money Bill.

    This legislation goes beyond matters of public finance and includes significant changes to eligibility, assessment, and entitlement rules for disabled people. As such, it requires full and careful scrutiny. If the Bill is treated as a Money Bill, it would prevent the House of Lords from examining or amending it, which would limit the level of democratic oversight available.

    Given the importance of this legislation and its potential long-term impact on disabled people, I believe it should go through the full legislative process in both Houses of Parliament.

    Thank you for your consideration

    Regards
    NAME


    In solidarity.
    rb
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      · 1 months ago
      @Gingin Going on the 'contact' tab on your link and clicking the link for the 'Speaker's office' seems to take me to my own link.

      Unsure why my link didn't work for you Gingin but anyway people now have 2 ways of getting to the page.
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      · 1 months ago
      @rb
      Your link didn’t work for me to contact the Speaker. Here it is:

      https://members.parliament.uk/member/467/writtenquestions
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      · 1 months ago
      @rb Diane Abbott I meant- apologies for typo

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