One of the major issues with the Pathways to Work Green paper is the number of questions it leaves unanswered.  But now, with the government’s hastily created “concessions”, things are even more unclear.  Especially whether the concessions mean current claimants are permanently protected or have just been granted a temporary reprieve.

Below are a number of questions, some of which you might want to ask your MP before Tuesday’s vote, because they should be clear what they are voting for.  Or you may have others you want to ask.  The important thing is to keep reminding MPs that there is still the option of voting to scrap the bill on Tuesday, regardless of any concessions offered.

But do bear in mind that many Labour MPs who signed the amendment have said they are still going to vote against the bill, as will many opposition MPs, so your MP may still be an ally.

In her letter to Labour MPs Liz Kendall writes: “Therefore, we will ensure that all of those currently receiving Pip will stay within the current system. The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.”

This implies that current claimants will not be protected from the results of the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, due to make changes to PIP eligibility criteria in 2028.  Given that the governments overriding concern is to halt the rising cost of disability benefits, the review can only result in a tightening of eligibility criteria – quite possibly including retaining the four-point rule .  So, this concession may be no more than a short reprieve for current claimants.

Q.  Will existing PIP claimants stay on the current test for life or be subject to the new criteria created by the ministerial review of the PIP assessment, to be completed in 2028?

Many thousands of adult DLA claimants are still waiting to be reassessed for PIP through no fault of their own.  If things had run to the original timetable they would by now be PIP claimants and protected from the 4-point rule.

Q. If current adult DLA claimants, awaiting reassessment for PIP for many years, are finally dealt with after November 2026 will they be assessed under the current rules or the new 4-point rules?

Kendall writes “. . . we will adjust the pathway of universal credit payment rates to make sure all existing recipients of the UC health element . . . have their incomes fully protected in real terms.”

How long does this protection last? 

Q. Around 600,000 current UC health element claimants do not receive an award of the PIP daily living component.  When the WCA is abolished in 2028  and receipt of PIP daily living becomes the qualifying criteria for UC health element, will they continue to have their income protected?  Or is the protection only temporary?

If your MP is one of the Labour rebels, they may be considering withdrawing their name form the amendment, as a number have already said they will.

Q  If you are considering withdrawing your name from the reasoned amendment, does this mean that you are resigned to many thousands of future claimants being plunged into poverty, even though you think it is wrong for current claimants?

Kendall writes in relation to the review of PIP assessment criteria: “At the heart of this review will be coproduction with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and MPs so their views and voices are heard.”

Q.  If it’s important that the views and voices of disabled people are heard in respect of future changes, why are their voices not important in relation to the enormous changes in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill?

Q.  If the main aim of the government is to put disability benefits on what they view as a sustainable footing, by cutting the rise in costs considerably, what possibility is there of disabled people genuinely being listened to as PIP criteria are rewritten?

Q.  The PIP  four-point rule does not come into effect until November 2026, almost a year and a half away.  So why is it so important to get the legislation through the Commons in the next two weeks, without consulting on it?

Q.  Given that there are so many unanswered questions about the proposed reforms, and that the government is already going to have to find £3bn to fund their concessions, would it not be wiser to scrap the whole Green Paper process and start again in genuine coproduction with disabled people?

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      · 1 months ago
      @HL Exactly. as I said, it's just a move. MPs falling for this are either naive or have no moral compass
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    · 1 months ago
    At the moment I'm on adult DLA high rate mobility ,i know at some point I'm going to have a letter saying I need to claim and move over to pip instead , will that get classed as a new claim in light of the changes to the welfare reform debate , or will it be simular to migrating from esa to universal credit was.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Caroline Scope are unsure on the answer,
      Hi @deewhite I'm afraid I don't actually know the answer to that one. But I think it'd be classed as a managed migration, so shouldn't use the upcoming new rules.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dee white When people's DLA ended in the years post 2013, it was just that. The letter read, "Your DLA is ending". We were "invited" to apply for PIP. We were new  claimants. It was not like transferring from IB to ESA.
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    · 1 months ago
    From disabilityrebellion on twitter:

    Example of what to write to the Speaker of the House of Commons

    I am writing to ask that the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill is not certified as a Money Bill.

    This legislation goes beyond matters of public finance and includes significant changes to eligibility, assessment, and entitlement rules for disabled people. As such, it requires full and careful scrutiny. If the Bill is treated as a Money Bill, it would prevent the House of Lords from examining or amending it, which would limit the level of democratic oversight available.

    Given the importance of this legislation and its potential long-term impact on disabled people, I believe it should go through the full legislative process in both Houses of Parliament.

    Thank you for your consideration
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    · 1 months ago
    If the bill gets through then if the government then is seen to have completely misled the public and MP’s there will be very public resignations and repercussions. So either way they should not win. They’ll either lose it or they must stick to what they have promised. It’s gone too far. The rebels no doubt and all of us will continue to fight this in the oncoming weeks months and years. The government have had a clear message now that they cannot just ride roughshod over disabled people’s lives. However we mistrust them use it to our advantage to stay alert. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Sorry to post this again but I think this news from DWP officials is really key!! MPs should see this before they vote.

    'Government plans to speed up employment support for people affected by the changes to welfare benefits will be "undeliverable", the BBC has been told.
    As part of the U-turn on welfare reforms, ministers are expected to fast-track a £1bn support plan to get people into work, which was originally scheduled for 2029.
    But officials at the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) said the system was "a mess" and that there were "only a handful of people" working on the programme.'


    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/questions-the-government-needs-to-answer-–-and-mps-need-to-ask
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    · 1 months ago
    "Downing Street said full details of the changes would be outlined on Tuesday."

    The Guardian.
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    · 1 months ago
    Something for MPs to see? DWP officials are saying plans to get peope into work are 'a mess'.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9w1p44vzleo
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    · 1 months ago
    The time factor is the stinger. We can email our mps, but how can we ramp up the offensive at necessary speed? CaroA? Gingin? Slb? You're the great communicators!
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      · 1 months ago
      @sara Email MPs and the Speaker, add anything to social media that you can, call in radio programmes if there are any opportunities, attend the London protest on Monday- we really need numbers! That’s really all we can do, but we’re fast running out of time. I already saw on one media report that MPs are taking note of emails- it really makes a difference in how they’ll vote. I know we’re all exhausted but these 3.5 days are critical!

      https://members.parliament.uk/member/467/writtenquestions
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    · 1 months ago
    Cat Eccles, Labour MP for Stourbridge
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    · 1 months ago
    By 2028 there will be an election and therefore we may not continue to be under the same government is a point to note. 2028 we could get hammered from any party. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Thank you B&W. The biggest thing now with this bill is an attempt to "fudge" it. I don't think the bill is clear on many questions that have been raised and it should be scrapped in the public interest and the process begun again properly through consultations with those affected, charities, and experts. Fudging something as important as this is simple not an answer and doing it at the 11th hour and then rushing it through is a recipe for disaster
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    · 1 months ago
    Any current claimant trying to 'future proof' their pip award, via a raise from standard daily living to higher award/four point score, should not be feeling either personally secure or morally comfortable with the government's latest announcement. 

    It's just a move. MPs falling for this are either naive or have no moral compass.
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    · 1 months ago
    Fully agree with all these and adding my own:

    Will getting 'credits only ESA' to establish LCWRA before going on UC, if you get the LCWRA before the date the new plans apply from, mean the lower UC LCWRA or the current UC LCWRA applies?
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    · 1 months ago
    Kendall states : Therefore, we will ensure that all of those currently receiving Pip will stay within the current system.

    To me current system is exactly what we are in now.  Surely there would be a legal challenge if pip get descriptor changes…. We surely will be under the current descriptors?  BUT we know they like to twist their words …..
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      · 1 months ago
      @Harli I think that's up in the air.  My assumption is that we won't have to get the 4 points but would still use the new form - although by the time the new form is introduced, it will be time for an election and we will be battered by another party.
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    · 1 months ago
    "If you are considering withdrawing your name from the reasoned amendment, does this mean that you are resigned to many thousands of future claimants being plunged into poverty, even though you think it is wrong for current claimants?"

    This is the key question in my view. It cuts through all the noise and uncertainty around everything else, where it is impossible to get answers. Whatever any of it all means, new claimants will be subject to the wicked judgement originally proposed.

    So tell us,

    "are [you] resigned to many thousands of future claimants being plunged into poverty, even though you think it is wrong for current claimants?"

    Are you resigned, after people have actually resigned, after the monster national effort that has been put into opposing the cuts? Now you dare to give up?



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    · 1 months ago
    Great questions. I think these are considerable concessions however, and most Importantly have laid down a marker that backbenchers are not just going to accept any old legislation, if it goes against the values of the party. My hope is that future proposals bare this in mind. Timms discussion with the select committee this week, states very clearly that a lot of people who currently get pip, won’t in the future. Rachel reeves is going to have to look down the back of the sofa, and reevaluate this, in light of what’s happened.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Crackers On here we have Cathedral city, Pickle, and now crackers. Are you all the same person? If not, you should get together. Just do it.
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    · 1 months ago
    ‘New claims’ in all their stats, include everyone who has a review. We are still not safe. 

    The unnamed ‘age discrimination’ clause is still in there. 

    The ‘arbitrary decision-making’ clause is still in there. So we will not be able to use other people’s wins as Case Law. 

    The Bill needs to go in the Bin. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @ANGELA That is not true.  Current claimants will be reassessed after November 2026 under the current rules, not the new ones.  See the letter published earlier for details:

      Therefore, we will ensure that all of those currently receiving Pip will stay within the current system. The new eligibility requirements will be implemented from November 2026 for new claims only.


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      · 1 months ago
      @ANGELA Except you're not deemed a new claimant if you have a review on an existing claim. I'm not arguing that these concessions are a good thing but, at the same time, it helps to be accurate.
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      · 1 months ago
      @ANGELA No.  The rules are not changing for existing claimants.  Our reassessments will be using the current eligibility rules.
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      · 1 months ago
      @ANGELA Angela, how do you think the decision-making clause and not being able to use case law will affect us in practice? 

      At the moment there seems to be a large amount of case law that supports us at tribunal level, and which is used extensively in B&W guides.
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    · 1 months ago
    Thank you.  This is really helpful.  I will email them to my MP.
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    · 1 months ago
    The concessions are gimmicks and will not reduce devastating harmful outcomes.

    Concessions that reduce harm:
    1. Keeping the Work Capability Assessment.
    2. LCWRA eligibility to remain separate from PIP eligibility.
    3. PIP eligibility to remain 2 points per descriptor.

    Vote against the bill. The concessions offered are gimmicks that don't reduce harm.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon sometimes just "1" point makes all the difference!
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon I have the same goals as you, and you’re not wrong, but the public will only accept so much welfare. If farage gets in next time, welfare will get stripped to the bone, might not even be a dwp if he follows trumps playbook. This compromise offers some restbite for a lot of worried people. It’s said you can only go so far with cuts, and that’s good, but much as I’d like us to have a much better welfare state, I’m afraid that’s it for now. The most important thing here is that these concessions mean what they say.
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    · 1 months ago
    The concessions are not great. I feel the government are pitting new claimants coming down the line against current ones. Everyone should be assessed under the one criteria. It's going to become a two tier system. Every disabled person should be treated fairly.

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