Ten major charities have issued a joint briefing condemning the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill as Labour continues to insist it will go ahead with Tuesdays vote, in spite of a large scale rebellion.

The charities behind the report are:  Scope, Trussel, Mind, Citizens Advice, Sense, Joseph Rowntree Foundation, New Economics Foundation, Child Poverty Action Group, Z2K, Turn2Us.

Amongst the finding is the briefing are:

As a % of GDP, the UK government is spending the same amount on working-age benefits as it was in 2015. This stands at around 5% and is not projected to change by 2030. This is because we have seen deep cuts to benefits like Universal Credit alongside the increase in people claiming health and disability benefits.

We spend a similar amount on these benefits as comparable countries in the OECD. Even considering the more recent increase in claims, our overall spend on disability benefits as a % of GDP is similar to or lower than that of countries including France, Australia and New Zealand.

The provisions in this bill would reduce support for over 3.2 million disabled people. They will push between 300,000 and 400,000 people into poverty. They will also drive 440,000 people in disabled households into severe hardship – a measure of deep poverty which captures people likely to need to use a food bank.

Added investment in employment support will, at most, result in between 1-3% of the 3.2m people seeing their support cut move into work.

 83% of the public has heard of the planned cuts, with 58% saying they are a bad idea and just 32% saying they are a good idea.

You can download a copy of the joint briefing from this link.  Definitely worth sending details to your MP, regardless of whether they signed the amendment.  Sadly, unless Labour cancel the vote on the bill scheduled for Tuesday, then there is no reason for campaigners to ease off.

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    · 1 hours ago
    Now 127!

    Widespread Labour dissent over welfare bill is sign things are going very badly for Starmer

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    · 1 hours ago
    Providing this bill is doomed (we hope), where next?

    Starmer looks like a rabbit in headlights when faced with this kind of thing.  He doesn't know what to do when things don't go his way or someone asks questions that aren't expected.  I'm not sure he even comprehends that his MPs can vote against him. 

    No matter what happens (and we all hope this is kicked into the tall grass) eventually there will have to be benefit cuts of some nature.   But it's almost as if the government don't actually know the difference between PIP and LCWRA.  

    PIP is for covering the extra expenditure that chronic illness and disabilities might cause.  LCWRA is for those not fit enough to work.  Often, these two groups crossover, as we might expect.  But not all the time.  There seems to be no understanding among MPs and the public, for example, that you might be too ill to work BUT you might not suffer from extra expenditure because of the condition.   And vice versa - you might suffer extra expenditure from your condition, but can actually work to some degree.   And that is why replacing the WCA with the PIP assessment is utterly ridiculous.  And isn't cost effective,  because if it's "both" or "nothing" they're going to sometimes be paying two lots of benefit to some people who actually should only get one.  

    PIP does need reform.  Some people get it when they probably shouldn't - because the condition doesn't cost them money on a day to day basis.  And some people don't get it that should: for example, people with dietary restrictions - their food bill is much higher than the average person, but that doesn't get mentioned in PIP, let alone covered.  

    But it's more nuanced than that.  I certainly don't buy into the govt's line that 1,000 new people get it everyday and shouldn't.  That's absurd.  It's ridiculously hard to get, especially when it's weighted towards physical conditions instead of mental health ones.  And there is the massive problem: that while a condition might not ordinarily cost the sufferer more money, it might do simply because the NHS isn't able to do what it should.  People are paying for their own therapists, for example, with a condition that otherwise wouldn't cost them anything extra.  So how does all of that get factored in - and shouldn't that be compensated by PIP?

    What I'm trying to say is that the issues with PIP and benefits in general are too damned complex to ever be solved with one stroke in the way the govt is intending.  If the NHS can't provide basic services such as therapy (whether for mind or body), these issues aren't going to go away, and people are not going to be fit to work.  If benefit claimants have gone up since Covid, it's because many went two years without seeing therapists or physiotherapists etc and are now paying the price.  What's more, the govt isn't recognising the extra people on working age benefits because the pension age has risen. 

    If any govt really wants to get to grip with this situation, they have to make changes outside of benefits first:  fix the NHS, sort out mental health care, make sure our infrastructure can cope with any disabled people who go back to work, educate and run courses for employers on how to accomodate the disabled, make sure our transport system (including taxis) is fit for purpose.  Until those things happen, the benefits bill will continue to rise, and we will remain as scapegoats for govt failure.  
     
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    · 2 hours ago
    Why would anybody join with the Tories and cave into their demands, when they were in power the proposals they came up with were utterely ludicrous  and I responded to the consultation to say so.  I also wrote to my MP expressing my disgust at their ideas, which of course were vouchers, invoicing, or one off payments for an item or maybe nothing at all.  And then she talks about targetting the mobility element, I thought we had gone quiet on that.  All of them need to be honest, difficult for all them I know, but they are not going to provide support to get people into work, mainly because there is no work, and from my memory they were next door to useles.
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    · 2 hours ago
    Politics UK reporting this this evening on their X page.

    NEW: The vote on the Government’s welfare reform Bill next week is set to be delayed as Keir Starmer’s aides look to find concessions to get the support of rebels

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      · 51 minutes ago
      @Gingin Has this definitely being confirmed?
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Gingin I'll keep the apple juice chilling.
      But things are definitely hotting up.🥂☕️🍸🍹
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      · 1 hours ago
      @GLB That was him in tantrum mode earlier
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      · 1 hours ago
      @YogiBear Wow that’s quite a scoop YogiBear! Time to get the tea, apple juice and margaritas out yet? I’m not on X so can’t see this. 
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      · 2 hours ago
      @YogiBear There he was the lead MUPET saying earlier he's going ahead with no more concessions, lie after lie, you just can't believe a word he says.🤔😔
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    · 2 hours ago
    I don't want to get too optimistic, because any setback will have a big impact on my health so I have to assume the worst and hope for the best. But it seems that some MP's and charities are standing up for what is right. Hopefully more will join in and this issue will gain traction. I really hope so. We need something to hang on too. Love and support to you all. Keep fighting. 
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    · 3 hours ago
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-welfare-cuts-disability-benefits-starmer-b2775890.html

    If millions of lives weren’t on the line I’d be getting popcorn as this saga is more eventful than the average British soap the past 48hrs

    I thought it was ludicrous 3 months back that disability cuts would even graze starmers premiership but there’s a really small chance starmers leadership could collapse due the repercussions (less than 1% mind but still mind blowing)

    Little bit of faith in humanity restored by those 100 Labour mp rebels actions this week

    On kemi - honestly it’s taken her a week longer to realise she could present a ransom to starmer as she did a couple of hours ago so not surprised but think she’s dumb by not spotting the tactic earlier.

    Whatever happens tories are at least 90% guaranteed to get a huge middle finger over starmer (tories know they won’t attract disabled voters so this latest tactic is of little risk to kemi - though there are some very decent people who are faithfully lifelong tories and from chatting to those that are family friends I think a number of the decent Tory voters may also be uneasy about this bill too)
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    · 3 hours ago
    my email to my MP, you can copy and paste:

    I recently reviewed the list of MPs who have signed the amendment to the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment (PIP) Bill, and I was disappointed not to see your name among them. I am writing to draw your attention to critical findings from a joint briefing by ten leading charities, all of whom strongly oppose this bill.
    The charities behind this briefing include:
    Scope
    Trussell Trust
    Mind
    Citizens Advice
    Sense
    Joseph Rowntree Foundation
    New Economics Foundation
    Child Poverty Action Group
    Z2K
    Turn2us
    Key Findings from the Briefing:
    Spending on Benefits Has Not Increased
    The UK spends roughly 5% of GDP on working-age benefits—the same as in 2015—with no projected increase by 2030.
    Cuts to Universal Credit have offset rising claims for health and disability support.
    Comparable Spending to Other Nations
    The UK’s spending on disability benefits is similar to or lower than countries like France, Australia, and New Zealand, even with recent increases in claims.
    Devastating Impact of the Bill
    Over 3.2 million disabled people will lose support.
    300,000–400,000 people will be pushed into poverty.
    440,000 disabled households will face severe hardship, likely needing food banks.
    Flawed Employment Support Assumptions
    Even with additional employment support, only 1–3% of those affected (32,000–96,000 people) are expected to find work.
    Public Opposition
    83% of the public are aware of the planned cuts.
    58% oppose them, while only 32% support the changes.
    A Broken Promise to Disabled People
    Last April, the Conservative government allowed the right-wing media to escalate attacks on disabled claimants, with some outlets labeling us "parasites"—a narrative that persists. While their proposals (such as replacing cash with vouchers or requiring secondary care diagnoses for PIP) were harsh, they at least maintained some form of support.
    Now, the Labour government is proposing something even worse: removing support entirely (cash or vouchers) for hundreds of thousands of people—a move the Conservatives wouldn’t have dared.
    We Are Not Numbers—We Are Lives
    For disabled people, financial support is a lifeline. With soaring living costs and unaffordable housing, these cuts are a death sentence for many. Taking £5 billion from disabled Britons won’t "fix" the economy—it reveals this government’s moral failure.
    My Appeal to You
    I urge you to stand with disabled constituents by:
    Publicly opposing this bill.
    Supporting amendments to protect PIP and Universal Credit.
    Challenging the narrative that disabled people are a burden.
    This is about justice, not charity. Will you fight for us?
    Yours sincerely,
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    · 4 hours ago
    Apparently, Labour have responded to Badenoch's demands with:

    "A Labour spokesperson said: "We're fixing the abysmal mess the Tories left behind, and MPs can either vote to keep a broken, failed welfare system that writes people off, or they can vote to start fixing it.

    "Next week's Bill is a test for the Leader of the Opposition as to whether her party has learned anything at all by being roundly rejected by Britain."

    So, basically: ha, rich of you to give us advice on how to "actually" reform the welfare system after you got destroyed in the GE last year!

    Which would be a solid burn if it seemed like you didn't need their votes but hey, maybe Starmer knows something we and the rebel MPs don't.
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Dez This excuse simply no longer holds water! They sat on their backside when in opposition as got paid as shadows but were doing nothing. I think they were equally surprised they won not because of their efforts but because the public felt so let down by the tories. 
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    · 4 hours ago
    From the BBC:

    Tory Leader Kemi Badenoch said if Sir Keir was "serious" about passing his welfare reforms "he should look again what he can do with us," but warned she would not give the government a "blank cheque".
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Slb The Uniparty just causally and very publicly bargaining with the lives of disabled and vulnerable people like some politcal football. We are ruled by ghouls so depraved that I'd have them all locked up in the name of public safety.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Slb And split his party? Not a chance 
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    · 5 hours ago
    Kemi Badenoch is offering to support Starmer's welfare cuts if he works with the Tories. The Tories want bigger cuts to disability benefits, in particular they want those with mental health conditions targeted more, and mobility component targeted as well as daily living component. 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @john She also in her 3 terms wants no more tax rises this autumn as one of her conditions to back the bill.

      It’s 99% on the more tax hikes are coming so if starmer ‘agrees’ to kemis terms he’d almost certainly be doing so with fingers crossed behind his back

      Which would give kemi further ammo and scandal to blow up in 3-5 months time

      If starmer was playing chess he wouldn’t be checkmated but his first “check” of the ‘game’ may be approaching 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @john Evil ********
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    · 5 hours ago
    “This ends one of two ways: either we sack him (Starmer) or he sacks her (Reeves),” the MP said.

    The chancellor is being blamed more for the push to cut welfare than the beleaguered work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall, who has to try to win the vote.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-welfare-cuts-disability-benefits-starmer-b2775890.html
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    · 5 hours ago
    I have been saying this about the welfare spending against the tax revenue and the increase is insignificant and would in fact fall if the government policies for growth resulted in real growth rather than stagnation.
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    · 5 hours ago
    And there's more (from the same article)

    A senior backbencher reiterated the claim that the chancellor’s position is under threat.

    “This ends one of two ways: either we sack him (Starmer) or he sacks her (Reeves),” the MP said.

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    · 5 hours ago
    Where can I see who the latest MP’s  to sign this are . Now at 124 
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    · 5 hours ago
    It only cut off
    2) W(e)
    3) W(e)
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    · 5 hours ago
    AND HERE IT IS!

    In return for the Tory vote Kemi Badenoch offers to rescue Starmer’s welfare reforms - with 3 conditions!

    1) The welfare budget is too high, it needs to come down. This bill does not do that.
    e need to get people back into work. Unemployment is rising, jobs are disappearing, and even the government’s own impact assessments say that the package in this bill will not get people back to work.
    e want to see no new tax rises in the autumn. We can’t have new tax rises to pay for the increases in welfare and other government spending.

    "We're  all doomed" (to be read out loud in a dad's army Scottish accent)
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard In the most horrible award it’s hard to know who to pick . What a ghoulish predatory evil person. Doesn’t have a heart so no wonder she doesn’t have time for mental health issues. Every day everything seems to just get more upsetting I just can’t cope with this anymore. They must know how horrible this is and they don’t care. I need to take a break from it I think. Tried my best . 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard The government has already said it won't make any further changes and Badenoch says the bill doesn't meet the first two of her conditions. As for the third, there is no way Starmer is going to make that sort of commitment. She knows very well that Starmer can't meet her conditions so it seems the Tories will still vote against. I suppose they could abstain, but it would look more than a bit ridiculous to say "this bill fails to do what we want it to so we're going to, er.....abstain." 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard None of the things she's listed are remotely achievable and Kemi knows it. Yes, Starmer could go further with the cuts but then who would be left to actually vote for it in his own party? The handful of loyalists that signed the Get Britain Working letter and exactly 5 Reform MPs. He'd be in worse situation than he is already, just from a different corner.

      As for promising "no tax rises in the autumn". Kemi knows that's on the table no matter what. Sucking up to Trump and Israel won't pay for itself, after all.

      Only chance Starmer has is going 'oh yeah, I concede to these demands' crosses finger behind back and then just proceeding to break every single promise once the bill has been voted through. After all, another imaginary "black hole" can appear at any time and surely he can't be blamed for that, can he? These things happen, after all.

      But yes, I feel Kemi is on the warpath because Starmer turned around and said today that the Tories "don't know what they want because they don't know what they're doing!" to that effect so this is absolutely her trying to appear politically savvy while also being all "lol you're on your own, then!". 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Well, the welfare bill won't meet points 1 & 2, so we should be safe.  Shouldn't we? 
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    · 6 hours ago
    I am signed up for 38 degrees, they are voting against the cuts, i also used them to email my MP.
    More signatures would be appreciated thank you.

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    · 6 hours ago
    Sadiq Khan Joins Labour Backlash As Rebellion Against Starmer's Welfare Cuts Grows

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      · 2 hours ago
      @Hilde You wouldn't want Andy Burnham he's as bad as every other Labour MP don't be taken in.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @James I wish Andy Burnham would run for MP
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      · 3 hours ago
      @James Especially the latter 
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard I have had a feeling that Sadiq Khan is going to run for MP much like Boris Johnson did in order to challenge the leadership! Starmer would be in real trouble. The same may also happen with Andy Burnham too
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    · 6 hours ago
    The charities that have not come forward and stand by the people they are meant to represent need to have their funding stopped.  

    Bipolar UK has done absolutely nothing and kept quite even though bipolar is a serious mental health disorder that’s many sufferers are forced to claim UC and PIP to survive. 

    So as of today I’m withdrawing my donations and I urge anyone who donates to any disability or mental health charity that has not condemned the cuts and fought for their the sufferers  they represent. 
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Mick I wrote to My mp who thankfully pointed out it will affect veterans but your right no mention in the media or from anyone publicly
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Mick Mick, i gave up with Action for M.E. a few years back. I agree about M.E Association. They want government money. Never mind the people they're supposed to represent. 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Dez The Resolution Foundation doesn't seem to have been noticed much that they were a part of all this and then suddenly changed their tune!
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Kevin And trade unions.
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Hilde
      I wouldn't put any faith in Action for M.E after their involvement with the PACE trial.

      M.E Association, I told them of the APPG for M.E being infiltrated with MP's who fully support the cuts and, are part of the 'Get Britain Working' group of 36 MP's on that letter they wrote in support.  I said the M.E Association should speak out to have those MP's removed from the APPG.  The M.E Association did nothing.  Not even a post on their news page on their website about it.  How can the APPG for M.E represent PWME if they have shysters like that on the committee?

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