Most commentators have assumed that the Conservatives would always vote in favour of anything that resembled a benefits cut. But there now seems to be a possibility that the Tories are planning to support Labour rebels and vote against Labour’s Green Paper.

On 18 May, Conservative MP Helen Whately told the Standard: “Labour’s plans dodge the difficult decisions on welfare, leave more people out of work than they put in and will hit some of the nation’s poorest people.

“The sickness benefits bill is spiralling out of control and these rushed reforms will make things worse, not better.

“These plans are cruel, careless and clumsy. And it seems that even some of the people closest to Reeves agree with us, not her.”

What makes this total condemnation of the Green Paper particularly noteworthy is that Whately is the Conservative shadow secretary for work and pensions.  It seems unlikely that she would have been so outspoken in her criticism without party approval.

It is clear that the rebellion on Labour’s back benches has been growing in the two months since the Green Paper was published.

On 1 April, the Labour List website published the names of 27 MPs who said they would rebel against the government and 15 more who had expressed opposition to the Green Paper.

On 8 May, 42 Labour MPs wrote to the prime minister to say the cuts were impossible to support.

On 15 May, ITV reported that 50 Labour MPs were set to rebel, including the 42 who had signed the original letter.  100 MPs had also signed a private letter to Starmer urging the government to delay the changes and rethink its proposals. At least 6 MPs signed both letters.

Which suggests that somewhere in the region of 130 Labour MPs oppose the cuts, though there is no suggestion they would all vote against them.

The labour leadership are said to be considering a number of ways to buy off the rebels.  These include changes to the winter fuel payment means-test, changes to the two child limit or changes to the benefits cap. 

The idea will be to tell rebel MPs that the government doesn’t have the cash help these groups and also to drop its Green Paper cuts.

Whether this is a pitch that will work, remains to be seen.

But there seems to be at least a possibility that the Conservatives are now positioning themselves to take advantage of Labour’s disarray.

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    · 3 hours ago
    Didn’t the Tories propose much bigger cuts of £12 billion with one option being to replace PIP with vouchers for mental health claimants, or something like that?

    Unfortunately, this latest Tory move seems like opposition for the sake of it. I do hate it when parties rage against something just because it’s from an opposing party. 
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    · 3 hours ago
    What DWP are doing can’t work. Because it’s not going to produce the result they claim they are aiming for of employment . I think there’s many reasons why things will be watered down or quietly abandoned altogether along the way. Plus the delays to things happening legal challenges and general incompetence. Unfortunately they are creating much harm in the process.I have my own personal reasons for hating DWP/HMRC etc but I don’t think they’ll get away with it. What they will do is just move the problem to councils social services. The uncertainty is cruel though. My worries are people who won’t survive. I’m trying to think about the WCA not changing until 2028 . I think a lot of folk probably should get 4 points and should seek advice and get it. Flood them with appeals. Also continue to resist and fight ant error or mistake we can. Make their life harder. The battle against us is evil and we can’t afford to be nice. Be just as cutting and ruthless but for a genuine and just cause. 
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    · 7 hours ago
    Rachel Reeves has said today that she is listening to MPs concerns. She is considering reinstating the wfa for pensioners and scrapping the 2 child benefit cap. It's reported she may do both in order to get MPs to vote for the reforms to disability/sickness benefits.
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Cathedral city It's going to be the 3 child benefit cap so still an issue for people who have a 4th or 5th child condemning them all to poverty same as it is now
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Cathedral city
      It would be hugely politically damaging for Labour MPs to be seen to throw seriously ill and disabled people under the bus in return for those concessions. How on earth would they justify saying to their constituents that hitting kids and pensioners is now beyond the pale after all but they're still willing to clobber sick and disabled people? You can bet that's the question they would be asked relentlessly by the media and they wouldn't have a good answer because there isn't one.

      If the Labour rebellion is big enough Reeves will have to budge on the disability cuts or risk losing the vote. And if the disability cuts were voted down that would be massively damaging to the government. For those pushing these cuts the hardest- step forward Kendall, Timms and Reeves herself - it could easily be politically fatal.
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Cathedral city Which is also absolutely designed to pit pensioners, parents of disabled children and disabled people against each other and argue who "needs money the most". Which I've absolutely seen happen on other discussion platforms regarding this situation. 

      Quite the little minx she is, that Rachel. 
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Cathedral city So basically good news for pensioners and kids, terrible news for the sick/disabled who aren't of pension age? 
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    · 8 hours ago
    There's going to be a big death toll because if these PIP Cuts ,so maybe from a selfish point of view the Tories might try to exonerate themselves by voting against it ,even though they know the legislation will pass.
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Mick G
      "even though they know the legislation will pass."

      If the Tories vote against it and the Labour rebellion consists of 100+ MPs it's actually quite possible the government could lose the vote. Of course, we'll have to see how many of the 100 or more Labour MPs who are apparently opposed to the cuts actually vote against the government, but if they hold their nerve and do it there is a real chance the government could lose. Though if they think they're going to lose the vote - or if they think there's even a significant possibility they could lose - I suspect the vote would be pulled and they'd go back to the drawing board in the hope of coming up with something their own side find less objectionable.
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    · 9 hours ago
    Cons desperate in need of voters for the next GE.
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    · 10 hours ago
    SLB, How is it going on the X front?
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Lots of attention on the third volume of tags from the public (4pm must be the time to post!).  One MP has contacted me, asking me to email her.  So that's a start I guess!
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    · 11 hours ago
    IS the ss budget not ringfenced.?
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      · 7 hours ago
      @C No not ring fenced it's not like national security.
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    · 11 hours ago
    It's plausible but not likely to happen. That said, the Tories seem to be opposing everything Labour does no matter how stupid the position is, and voting against the Green Paper is not a stupid position at all, rather it could be a strategic move (read: lie) to make the Tories appear more compassionate than Labour on their highly unpopular proposals.
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Chris C It is a statistical and fact of policy that the Tories would have been more compassionate than Labour.

      Current claiments would never have had to do another WCA review again under the Tories.
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    · 11 hours ago
    I just want to confirm that my X post with the disability benefits explainer has now tagged/mentioned 300 Labour MPs.   I confess I've learned a lot from it with regards to reaching people with social media posts. I posted the first two posts (50 MPs tagged in each) yesterday lunch, and it got 350 views.  I posted the third post at 4pm, and it has 10,000 views and 350 reposts.  Timing is everything, it seems!
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      · 4 hours ago
      @SLB Awesome. Is there a link?
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      · 6 hours ago
      @SLB SLB - I prefer it when you are shown as SLB. When I see Slb - I read it as five pounds!

      Any feedback yet to you gallant effort?
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      · 7 hours ago
      @SLB Thank you for all your hard work 
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      · 7 hours ago
      @SLB Amazing!!
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    · 14 hours ago
    Even if you're not a carer and/or don't have a carer, signing this letter still raises the issue of the PIP 4 point rule and UC health element cut. PLEASE SIGN! At the moment there are only 1600+ signatures. Email it to your MP as well if you can. 

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      · 9 hours ago
      @gingin I have just signed that letter to the prime minister 
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      · 11 hours ago
      @gingin Yes, please please sign, share, do whatever it takes, this is so important to us carers. Thanks gingin for bringing it to our attention. 
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    · 16 hours ago
    I'll be happy enough if the Tories do vote against the PIP cuts but let's face it, they won't be acting on some worthy principle. It will simply be to undermine Labour for their own benefit. The Tories were quite happy to propose a voucher system for goodness sake, so their vote would just be a fine example of the duplicitous, two-faced hypocrisy that pervades all politics.

    Still, a win is a win, however achieved!
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    · 16 hours ago
    Yes we know that the Tories would have brought in more tougher rules and cuts regarding the welfare bill if they had still been in power, but this bit of news is welcome, we need every mp to vote against these proposals as many as we can get, regardless if they want to use it for political gain. 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Ann Simply not true. They hadn't done it in 14 years and apart from the voucher idea, which would never have taken wings, they have been far kinder on benefit claiments.

      This is factual, not just an opinion.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @Ann Why didn't the Tory's bring in more welfare cuts when they were in power for 14 years
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      · 12 hours ago
      @Ann @Ann oh yes the tories I remember them now with the dla to pip saga the esa wrag cuts the shambles of universal credit the bedroom tax the 2 child limits the list goes on and on if they want to help then that’s fine like you just said just shows how 2 faced they all are 
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    · 16 hours ago
    I bet any money these so called 'concessions' won't actually benefit us sick and disabled in the slightest. Forget concessions, we need a full stop to all of these reforms! How does a "concession" of giving the one off winter fuel payment to the elderly benefit me as a middle aged disabled person who is about to lose my entire income, it doesn't benefit me at all!
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    · 19 hours ago
    "The labour leadership are said to be considering a number of ways to buy off the rebels. These include changes to the winter fuel payment means-test, changes to the two child limit or changes to the benefits cap. " So in other words they won't budge on letting us keep our disability benefits and thus the sick and disabled are being thrown under the bus yet again regardless?! I am furious.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Dpb999 Exactly what I said they would do some weeks ago.  I knew this would be their plan to placate just enough.
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Dpb999
      "" - So in other words they won't budge on letting us keep our disability benefits and thus the sick and disabled are being thrown under the bus yet again regardless?! I am furious."

      It sounds as though they're going to give some ground on the WFA in the hope that this will buy off MPs opposed to the disability cuts so the latter get through. That doesn't mean it will work. If the Tories vote against the cuts and the Labour rebellion is big enough - and it does seem to have been growing over the last couple of months - then they may have to budge, whether they like it or not.
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    · 1 days ago
    I think the easiest way to explain this to those who seem surprised or disbelieving that the Tories could oppose these plans is simple: they want votes. Particularly from pensioners who are going to be dealt a double blow from the WFA being means-tested and the uncertainty as to whether or not they'll have their PIP cut too under these new rules and may feel inclined to turn to Reform.

    Remember how Timms, Kendall and Starmer openly criticised benefit cuts when they were in the opposition and therefore wanted votes? It's the exact same situation here.

    Or perhaps - in the pettiest terms - the Tories just want to see Labour lose out on what is being perceived as a major vote so they can call Starmer out on his weakness and his inability to "keep their house in order". And if the disabled have to be used as a means to an end, so be it.

    Obviously, I'm no fan of the Tories but - at the same time - what I wouldn't give to see Starmer, Reeves, Timms and Kendall lose out on this vote and be pictured by the press walking about with hangdog looks that clearly read "wow, as if I have to go away and redo my homework on why some of the most vulnerable of society should be rendered even more worse off!". 
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      · 14 hours ago
      @Dez
      "Or perhaps - in the pettiest terms - the Tories just want to see Labour lose out on what is being perceived as a major vote so they can call Starmer out on his weakness and his inability to "keep their house in order". And if the disabled have to be used as a means to an end, so be it."

      That's certainly part of it. I would think it's also partly because these cuts have not proven to be as popular with the public as right wingers probably assumed they would be. While the WFA cut is the most unpopular measure and has had the biggest cut through, with a public rating of about -80, the polling I saw on disability cuts had public opinion on about -40. That's still significantly unpopular, and that's before the cuts have even been voted on, let alone implemented.

      There's also the point that if the government does lose the vote - and it could happen, since the Tories voting against together with a Labour rebellion of 100+ MPs could well be enough - then it will be clear that significant cuts to disability benefits will not pass the Commons. In that case Reeves will have to go back to the drawing board and thieve £5billion from somewhere else. Whatever spending cut or tax rise she came up with as an alternative, you can be sure the Tories would eagerly attack it.
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    · 1 days ago
    Yeah they said they were opposing it at the recent PIP cuts debate. Just scanned through to confirm. Watch it at 1hr 18mins the conservatives guy speaking says so less than a minute of that point.
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    · 1 days ago
    Just maybe now all this talk today about EU deal perhaps maybe the European human rights will help get rid of these cruel and inhumane cuts to disabled people I’m hoping a just maybe perhaps that’s why conservatives have now gone against the green paper disaster proposals. Thanks for your time reading my post 
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    · 1 days ago
    If the Tories do vote against the green paper it will of course be utterly cynical and opportunistic. But we have to take what we can get - and it would certainly increase the chances of the government losing the vote, especially with reports that there are now 100 or more labour MPs who are opposed to this nonsense. If it seriously looks like they might lose, they could either be forced into a total climbdown (here's hoping) or at the very least make some very significant changes.
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    · 1 days ago
    Commentary in Guardian today:

    Did Starmer’s supporters expect such an agenda – one as gruesomely reactionary as it is bereft of an obvious electoral base of support? Did they believe it would prove so devoid of principle as to allow Farage to dictate the national political conversation before they’d even completed one year in power?

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      · 15 hours ago
      @Gingin Excellent article. Well worth reading
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Gingin Such a good article.
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      · 17 hours ago
      @Gingin Sends shivers, doesn't it?